The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 8)
Discussion
graylag said:
How many players are still at United that we’re signed by Ferguson? He’s been retired for 5 or 6 years now. He’d have gone through a team by now and most would be long gone. Why are you hanging onto dross and giving them 1 year deals? They’re only going to leave on a free anyway so let them go now.
Alderseireld is a classic example of the short term thinking. He’s 30 or thereabouts. Not a player for the future.
Valencia, Young, Smalling, DDG, Jones...you could make a case for Pogba of course and also Herrera who was identified as a target by SAF but we couldn't get the deal done until the year after SAF's retired. Alderseireld is a classic example of the short term thinking. He’s 30 or thereabouts. Not a player for the future.
Alpinestars said:
Players who are not good enough in my view are:
https://www.manutd.com/en/players-and-staff/first-...
Edited by anniesdad on Wednesday 14th November 12:42
anniesdad said:
Valencia, Young, Smalling, DDG, Jones...you could make a case for Pogba of course and also Herrera who was identified as a target by SAF but we couldn't get the deal done until the year after SAF's retired.
Smallimg is arguably the best defender (not that thaysma compliment) and you were trying to offload him to Wolves in the summer. Chelsea mkIi clearly hasn’t and wont work. Your manager has to go.
graylag said:
anniesdad said:
Valencia, Young, Smalling, DDG, Jones...you could make a case for Pogba of course and also Herrera who was identified as a target by SAF but we couldn't get the deal done until the year after SAF's retired.
Smallimg is arguably the best defender (not that thaysma compliment) and you were trying to offload him to Wolves in the summer. Chelsea mkIi clearly hasn’t and wont work. Your manager has to go.
Finding a playing balance is taking time, longer than I would have hoped. The pressure on our lot is far more intense than any other team have to put up with. They're not helping themselves with the poor results so far this year. It'd be interesting if Jose put all his eggs in the ECL basket, like he did with the Europa league!! Strap yourselves in!!
anniesdad said:
I think the first bit of what you are saying is a criticism? That somehow we are trying to release our best defender? We may well have been but only if we could have got an upgrade. I like Smalling, if you want somebody to be aggressive and win headers he's your man. His ballwork always has and always will let him down unfortunately. He's nowhere near comfortable enough on the ball.
Finding a playing balance is taking time, longer than I would have hoped. The pressure on our lot is far more intense than any other team have to put up with. They're not helping themselves with the poor results so far this year. It'd be interesting if Jose put all his eggs in the ECL basket, like he did with the Europa league!! Strap yourselves in!!
Would be hilarious if we win a cup this year and others get 'nowt lol. Finding a playing balance is taking time, longer than I would have hoped. The pressure on our lot is far more intense than any other team have to put up with. They're not helping themselves with the poor results so far this year. It'd be interesting if Jose put all his eggs in the ECL basket, like he did with the Europa league!! Strap yourselves in!!
m3sye said:
200Plus Club said:
Would be hilarious if we win a cup this year and others get 'nowt lol.
ive said it before, i would rather us compete for the league, finish 2nd 3rd than finish 6th 7th and win the caraboa cup - (my opinion anyway) If we win the ECL though, we get entry into....the ECL next year!
graylag said:
£100m gets you nothing playerwise nowadays. It’s maybe one player with potential, or two on the way out of contract in their late 20s / early 30s. United are lacking all over the pitch. Central defence, wings, forward. You maybe have one decent player in some of those areas, but no way can you cope with an injury to them.
Now is the time for a full rebuilding job and that includes manager. You can’t beat City on the pitch by buying a group of individuals and hoping they’ll perform. That’s what Ron Atkinson did and it never worked. You need to build a team and squad.
If Bailly is going then that should be it for Mourinho it’s another of his purchases that’s not good enough. He can’t even spot talent now.
Can I ask whom you support fella ? Now is the time for a full rebuilding job and that includes manager. You can’t beat City on the pitch by buying a group of individuals and hoping they’ll perform. That’s what Ron Atkinson did and it never worked. You need to build a team and squad.
If Bailly is going then that should be it for Mourinho it’s another of his purchases that’s not good enough. He can’t even spot talent now.
Not seen you about the football forums until recently .
anniesdad said:
I think the first bit of what you are saying is a criticism? That somehow we are trying to release our best defender? We may well have been but only if we could have got an upgrade. I like Smalling, if you want somebody to be aggressive and win headers he's your man. His ballwork always has and always will let him down unfortunately. He's nowhere near comfortable enough on the ball.
Finding a playing balance is taking time, longer than I would have hoped. The pressure on our lot is far more intense than any other team have to put up with. They're not helping themselves with the poor results so far this year. It'd be interesting if Jose put all his eggs in the ECL basket, like he did with the Europa league!! Strap yourselves in!!
It’s a criticism insofar as you’re offloading players, but the wrong ones in some ways. Smalling is not great, but he’s your best. You need a full upgrade there, but your manager isn’t capable of seeing talent. His two new replacements for those positions are rubbish and one is apparently due to leave in January. Finding a playing balance is taking time, longer than I would have hoped. The pressure on our lot is far more intense than any other team have to put up with. They're not helping themselves with the poor results so far this year. It'd be interesting if Jose put all his eggs in the ECL basket, like he did with the Europa league!! Strap yourselves in!!
My criticism is that you seem to be incapable of seeing talent. Liverpool seems a fortune buying VVD, which turns out to be good business, ditto City on Walker / Stones. You’ve just pissed £100m up a wall.
Black can man said:
Can I ask whom you support fella ?
Not seen you about the football forums until recently .
Wigan. A team that’s had the highs of a Cup win and been on its arse in recent years too. It’s easy to be analytical when all we get in the NW is football coverage of the two Manchester clubs. Thank god for Rugby League is all I can say. Mighty Warriors. Now the season’s over and we’re back as Champions, then I get to go to the echo chamber, sorry DW and freeze to death watching us hoof the ball around pretty aimlessly. Not seen you about the football forums until recently .
I've said it before and i'll say it again. Until you get rid of Jose you can buy whoever you want...you aren't going to see anything you'd want to pay to watch.
That squad with a different manager could do wonders.
Go and watch a Leeds game from last season to this and tell me that the manager can't transform a team.
That squad with a different manager could do wonders.
Go and watch a Leeds game from last season to this and tell me that the manager can't transform a team.
The squad isnt bad. It still think we have the players to be a comfortable top 4 team. Aside from the following players, I would not care if any of them are sold, however.
De Gea
Pogba
Martial
Bailly
Lingard
It is worrying that Mourinho has upset both Martial and Pogba.
Bailly has had bad games, but he has way more potential that Lindelof. No idea why Lindelof is being given hundreds of games to develop into the average CB he might one day become.
De Gea
Pogba
Martial
Bailly
Lingard
It is worrying that Mourinho has upset both Martial and Pogba.
Bailly has had bad games, but he has way more potential that Lindelof. No idea why Lindelof is being given hundreds of games to develop into the average CB he might one day become.
graylag said:
but your manager isn’t capable of seeing talent.
I think you're overlooking his record in the game. Some players work out, some don't for whatever reason. ALL managers f
k up from time to time. There could be any number of different reasons why a player doesn't work out. Ravel Morrison was supposed to be one of the most talented players of his generation but his attitude was completely s
t. Lindelof has just been recognised as Sweden's player of the year. I like him, the kid can play football but he's still young. Bailly is a strange one, started off well but has had some proper dodgy games and it doesn't take much to be overlooked in a squad that's demanding instant success. Probably his heads gone, not happy, spoilt rich footballer, not United material....can go awry very quickly with players of the wrong mentality.
It's a cheap shot levelling all this at Mourinho. Poch has had his problems, Klopp too. Behind the scenes probably City will too but you won't get to hear about them as they are the best in the league at the minute and media darlings.
anniesdad said:
I think you're overlooking his record in the game. Some players work out, some don't for whatever reason. ALL managers fk up from time to time. There could be any number of different reasons why a player doesn't work out.
Ravel Morrison was supposed to be one of the most talented players of his generation but his attitude was completely st.
Lindelof has just been recognised as Sweden's player of the year. I like him, the kid can play football but he's still young. Bailly is a strange one, started off well but has had some proper dodgy games and it doesn't take much to be overlooked in a squad that's demanding instant success. Probably his heads gone, not happy, spoilt rich footballer, not United material....can go awry very quickly with players of the wrong mentality.
It's a cheap shot levelling all this at Mourinho. Poch has had his problems, Klopp too. Behind the scenes probably City will too but you won't get to hear about them as they are the best in the league at the minute and media darlings.
I don’t see it that way. Mourinho may have excelled once, but his time has passed unless he adapts, the game has moved on in the cycle and is now more attack focussed, look at City’s third goal. Never in a million years would that have done anything but gone back to the keeper if United were 2-1 up at that point the game, but the top sides keep going now and keep scoring when they don’t need to. United have only scored late goals because they have to to win or draw a match. They concede because they try to defend a lead for huge chunks of a match, which they aren’t capable of, or even defend a small loss, which is a disgrace. k up from time to time. There could be any number of different reasons why a player doesn't work out. Ravel Morrison was supposed to be one of the most talented players of his generation but his attitude was completely s
t. Lindelof has just been recognised as Sweden's player of the year. I like him, the kid can play football but he's still young. Bailly is a strange one, started off well but has had some proper dodgy games and it doesn't take much to be overlooked in a squad that's demanding instant success. Probably his heads gone, not happy, spoilt rich footballer, not United material....can go awry very quickly with players of the wrong mentality.
It's a cheap shot levelling all this at Mourinho. Poch has had his problems, Klopp too. Behind the scenes probably City will too but you won't get to hear about them as they are the best in the league at the minute and media darlings.
None of the players you’ve signed recently are as f
ked in the head as Morrison was. All managers will have problems at some point, but all the ones you’ve mentioned (possibly excluding Pochettino) are taking their teams forward and in some significant steps. Even Pochettino has done well given he seems to have a budget of £0. Wolves, Watford, Bournemouth all progressing too and all playing football that’s good on the eye, Arsenal starting to find their feet again. I genuinely don’t see stuff about player fall outs, or other internal issues being played out in the public eye elsewhere. Whether you think it’s because they’re too big, or not is one way of looking at it, the other is it’s Mourinho’s MO.
graylag said:
anniesdad said:
I think you're overlooking his record in the game. Some players work out, some don't for whatever reason. ALL managers fk up from time to time. There could be any number of different reasons why a player doesn't work out.
Ravel Morrison was supposed to be one of the most talented players of his generation but his attitude was completely st.
Lindelof has just been recognised as Sweden's player of the year. I like him, the kid can play football but he's still young. Bailly is a strange one, started off well but has had some proper dodgy games and it doesn't take much to be overlooked in a squad that's demanding instant success. Probably his heads gone, not happy, spoilt rich footballer, not United material....can go awry very quickly with players of the wrong mentality.
It's a cheap shot levelling all this at Mourinho. Poch has had his problems, Klopp too. Behind the scenes probably City will too but you won't get to hear about them as they are the best in the league at the minute and media darlings.
I don’t see it that way. Mourinho may have excelled once, but his time has passed unless he adapts, the game has moved on in the cycle and is now more attack focussed, look at City’s third goal. Never in a million years would that have done anything but gone back to the keeper if United were 2-1 up at that point the game, but the top sides keep going now and keep scoring when they don’t need to. United have only scored late goals because they have to to win or draw a match. They concede because they try to defend a lead for huge chunks of a match, which they aren’t capable of, or even defend a small loss, which is a disgrace. k up from time to time. There could be any number of different reasons why a player doesn't work out. Ravel Morrison was supposed to be one of the most talented players of his generation but his attitude was completely s
t. Lindelof has just been recognised as Sweden's player of the year. I like him, the kid can play football but he's still young. Bailly is a strange one, started off well but has had some proper dodgy games and it doesn't take much to be overlooked in a squad that's demanding instant success. Probably his heads gone, not happy, spoilt rich footballer, not United material....can go awry very quickly with players of the wrong mentality.
It's a cheap shot levelling all this at Mourinho. Poch has had his problems, Klopp too. Behind the scenes probably City will too but you won't get to hear about them as they are the best in the league at the minute and media darlings.
None of the players you’ve signed recently are as f
ked in the head as Morrison was. All managers will have problems at some point, but all the ones you’ve mentioned (possibly excluding Pochettino) are taking their teams forward and in some significant steps. Even Pochettino has done well given he seems to have a budget of £0. Wolves, Watford, Bournemouth all progressing too and all playing football that’s good on the eye, Arsenal starting to find their feet again. I genuinely don’t see stuff about player fall outs, or other internal issues being played out in the public eye elsewhere. Whether you think it’s because they’re too big, or not is one way of looking at it, the other is it’s Mourinho’s MO.
The pressure on United this season is/was intense. Expectation levels have gone through the roof after last year. We didn't get the transfer targets JM wanted. We started off poorly and haven't yet got in to any rhythm. The players are lacking in confidence, feeling the huge weight of expectation (especially the younger ones) and their football is suffering as a result. Too many of them aren't performing well enough, that's always going to be a problem. It's not really a surprise that we're struggling. Ideally I would have liked Rui Faria to stay at least another season to work with the group.
The press want Mourinho to fail and Guardiola to succeed. But all clubs have problems with players, the spotlight is and always will be on United moreso than the rest. C'est la vie.
graylag said:
Black can man said:
Can I ask whom you support fella ?
Not seen you about the football forums until recently .
Wigan. A team that’s had the highs of a Cup win and been on its arse in recent years too. It’s easy to be analytical when all we get in the NW is football coverage of the two Manchester clubs. Thank god for Rugby League is all I can say. Mighty Warriors. Now the season’s over and we’re back as Champions, then I get to go to the echo chamber, sorry DW and freeze to death watching us hoof the ball around pretty aimlessly. Not seen you about the football forums until recently .
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