What the **** is wrong with people?

[C70R]

Driver101 said:

It's just a football thread again? Throughout this thread you've used the behaviour of others to put down football fans. When it suits it becomes just a football thread.

My repeat point is that you only care about issues when they are related to football. The direct question is why they only matter when it's football? You actually excuse and defend the same incidents when they happen elsewhere in sport or companies you love. It's not whataboutery it's highlighting your double standards.

This is a football thread. In the football forum.

It's not a thread about beer.

If you wanted to make a thread about Mikkeller in the FD&R forum to discuss the obvious issues, you'd be welcome to.

That is, if you actually cared about it. Assuming, generously, that you aren't just using it as a desperate tactic to attack me personally because that's easier than confronting the issues we're discussing.

I'm being very generous here...

[Driver101]

C70R said:

Driver101 said:

It's just a football thread again? Throughout this thread you've used the behaviour of others to put down football fans. When it suits it becomes just a football thread.

My repeat point is that you only care about issues when they are related to football. The direct question is why they only matter when it's football? You actually excuse and defend the same incidents when they happen elsewhere in sport or companies you love. It's not whataboutery it's highlighting your double standards.

This is a football thread. In the football forum.

It's not a thread about beer.

If you wanted to make a thread about Mikkeller in the FD&R forum to discuss the obvious issues, you'd be welcome to.

That is, if you actually cared about it. Assuming, generously, that you aren't just using it as a desperate tactic to attack me personally because that's easier than confronting the issues we're discussing.

I'm being very generous here...

Attack you? Desperate? Generous?

My point is quite clearly the only time you care about matters such as racism, bigotry, abuse, sexism is football. On every other topic on PH you either ignore it, or actively defend and excuse it. It appears that it is football that is your issue. It's not good to read you defending bad behaviour in other matters.

You are behaving exactly the way you are accusing the football fans of behaving, even when most football fans have repeatedly said they know football has issues.

You keep using other sports and other topics to shame football fans in comparison. When other sports and topics are raised to show your imbalanced views you cry whataboutery and this is a football only topic. It's really frustrating double standards.

I'm all for confronting the issues in football, sport and real life. You're not here to be constructive or helpful. You go out of your way to antagonise. Your own views are so biased it ruins any worthwhile debate. You don't appear capable of listening to anyone else or accepting anyone elses opinion or views. This leads to you flooding the thread with posts, throwing insults, getting petulant and now playing the victim.

The biggest problem with this thread and this topic is you. If would be more constructive and healthy if your weren't trying to troll, antagonise and reducing it to this.

The thread is going absolutely nowhere. If there is nothing worthwhile to add move on.

[pavarotti1980]

C70R said:

Is it hypocrisy?

Or is it just you desperately searching for something completely unrelated that you can attack me personally about?

100% hypocrisy. You cant actively support a company whose culture is toxic due to racism and sexism "because you like their beer" but then get morally outraged about a sport you have no interest in while simultaneously shouting "ah but" when sports with similar or equally bad problems are highlighted to you

[C70R]

pavarotti1980 said:

C70R said:

Is it hypocrisy?

Or is it just you desperately searching for something completely unrelated that you can attack me personally about?

100% hypocrisy. You cant actively support a company whose culture is toxic due to racism and sexism "because you like their beer" but then get morally outraged about a sport you have no interest in while simultaneously shouting "ah but" when sports with similar or equally bad problems are highlighted to you

Do I really "have no interest in" football?

I'd wager I probably went to more matches than you this season.

[C70R]

Driver101 said:

My point is quite clearly the only time you care about matters such as racism, bigotry, abuse, sexism is football. On every other topic on PH you either ignore it, or actively defend and excuse it. It appears that it is football that is your issue. It's not good to read you defending bad behaviour in other matters.

You're going to have to point out all the times I've "actively defended and excused" "racism, bigotry, abuse, sexism".

Or you won't. Because I've never.

And you're just making it all up as a bad ad hominem attack.

Whichever is fine.

[pavarotti1980]

C70R said:

Do I really "have no interest in" football?

I'd wager I probably went to more matches than you this season.

I'm going to take a guess that you didnt.

[bad company]

C70R said:

bad company said:

I really don’t see much problem with the songs & chants.

If you don't see a problem with thousands of people singing offensive and racist songs, then you're part of the problem. That's the apathy I'm talking about.

But you're brainwashed by the marketing machine into thinking that it's "all part of the rivalries". It's not. It's really unpleasant.

That's unacceptable in civilised society, and an individual walking down Oxford Street singing these songs would be rightly arrested.

I’m not hearing thousands of people singing offensive or racist songs.

‘Brainwashed’ because I like watching football? Priceless.

[mickk]

I really can't believe the OP goes to any football matches. if i disliked the crowds as much as he obviously does I'd go elsewhere.

[bad company]

mickk said:

I really can't believe the OP goes to any football matches. if i disliked the crowds as much as he obviously does I'd go elsewhere.

Precisely. I don’t like rugby so guess what? I don’t go.

[Flip Martian]

Don't grace him with the title OP, he's only hijacked it. Loving the idea of a plugin to block people like that. I wonder if there's one for Firefox....off to find out. In the meantime...



https://theconversation.com/dont-feed-the-trolls-r...

[C70R]

bad company said:

mickk said:

I really can't believe the OP goes to any football matches. if i disliked the crowds as much as he obviously does I'd go elsewhere.

Precisely. I don’t like rugby so guess what? I don’t go.

But that's the difference. I like football. There are lots of things I like about the game. The jeopardy, the fact that (unlike many other games, including rugby) the margins between success and failure are tiny. I love the stories about how it helps get kids with no other path in life back on track.

I just hate the people it attracts.

I was at a Chelsea match this season (Crystal Palace, possibly?), and one of the opposition players was sauntering over slowly to pick up the ball for a throw-in in front of us at 0-0.

This obviously enraged the bloke a few seats over from me (we were about 10 rows back), who stood up in a relatively quiet stadium and shouted "Hurry up, you f*****g lazy c**t" at the top of his voice. Sounds of laughter around him. There was a steward staring directly at him.

We had an 11 year-old with us at only his second or third football match, so I leant over to the chap and asked if he would mind watching his language with children around. He told me to "Get f****d". Sounds of laughter from his mates. The friend I was with, whose season ticket I was using, asked me to leave it there. Apparently the bloke is a season ticket holder too, and he does this stuff all the time and has 'a habit' of getting shirty with people who ask him to stop. Given I was there as a guest, and my friend has to sit in those seats ~20 times a season, I was happy to bite my tongue and not make his life difficult.

I approached the steward at half-time, who said he didn't remember anything but would "keep an eye out" in the second half. Sweary bloke continued to be abusive throughout the second half, with no repercussions.

Nobody there apart from me (including parents with similar aged kids) seemed to think this was a problem.

Why is that?

[Flip Martian]

C70R said:

Nobody there apart from me (including parents with similar aged kids) seemed to think this was a problem.

Why is that?

[mickk]

I was just about to clip that

[Cie]

[bad company]

C70R said:

bad company said:

mickk said:

I really can't believe the OP goes to any football matches. if i disliked the crowds as much as he obviously does I'd go elsewhere.

Precisely. I don’t like rugby so guess what? I don’t go.

But that's the difference. I like football. There are lots of things I like about the game. The jeopardy, the fact that (unlike many other games, including rugby) the margins between success and failure are tiny. I love the stories about how it helps get kids with no other path in life back on track.

I just hate the people it attracts.

I was at a Chelsea match this season (Crystal Palace, possibly?), and one of the opposition players was sauntering over slowly to pick up the ball for a throw-in in front of us at 0-0.

This obviously enraged the bloke a few seats over from me (we were about 10 rows back), who stood up in a relatively quiet stadium and shouted "Hurry up, you f*****g lazy c**t" at the top of his voice. Sounds of laughter around him. There was a steward staring directly at him.

We had an 11 year-old with us at only his second or third football match, so I leant over to the chap and asked if he would mind watching his language with children around. He told me to "Get f****d". Sounds of laughter from his mates. The friend I was with, whose season ticket I was using, asked me to leave it there. Apparently the bloke is a season ticket holder too, and he does this stuff all the time and has 'a habit' of getting shirty with people who ask him to stop. Given I was there as a guest, and my friend has to sit in those seats ~20 times a season, I was happy to bite my tongue and not make his life difficult.

I approached the steward at half-time, who said he didn't remember anything but would "keep an eye out" in the second half. Sweary bloke continued to be abusive throughout the second half, with no repercussions.

Nobody there apart from me (including parents with similar aged kids) seemed to think this was a problem.

Why is that?

Because they didn’t think it was much of a problem. I’d prefer not be seated near someone like that but no big deal.

Man swears at a football match shocker!!!

Your so will have heard all of those words at school.

[lrdisco]

pavarotti1980 said:

C70R said:

You're not the master debater you think you are.

Its a pity your father wasn't a master debater

Sorry but your comment is so football. You proved in that post everything that is wrong in the football supporting community.

[C70R]

bad company said:

C70R said:

bad company said:

mickk said:

I really can't believe the OP goes to any football matches. if i disliked the crowds as much as he obviously does I'd go elsewhere.

Precisely. I don’t like rugby so guess what? I don’t go.

But that's the difference. I like football. There are lots of things I like about the game. The jeopardy, the fact that (unlike many other games, including rugby) the margins between success and failure are tiny. I love the stories about how it helps get kids with no other path in life back on track.

I just hate the people it attracts.

I was at a Chelsea match this season (Crystal Palace, possibly?), and one of the opposition players was sauntering over slowly to pick up the ball for a throw-in in front of us at 0-0.

This obviously enraged the bloke a few seats over from me (we were about 10 rows back), who stood up in a relatively quiet stadium and shouted "Hurry up, you f*****g lazy c**t" at the top of his voice. Sounds of laughter around him. There was a steward staring directly at him.

We had an 11 year-old with us at only his second or third football match, so I leant over to the chap and asked if he would mind watching his language with children around. He told me to "Get f****d". Sounds of laughter from his mates. The friend I was with, whose season ticket I was using, asked me to leave it there. Apparently the bloke is a season ticket holder too, and he does this stuff all the time and has 'a habit' of getting shirty with people who ask him to stop. Given I was there as a guest, and my friend has to sit in those seats ~20 times a season, I was happy to bite my tongue and not make his life difficult.

I approached the steward at half-time, who said he didn't remember anything but would "keep an eye out" in the second half. Sweary bloke continued to be abusive throughout the second half, with no repercussions.

Nobody there apart from me (including parents with similar aged kids) seemed to think this was a problem.

Why is that?

Because they didn’t think it was much of a problem. I’d prefer not be seated near someone like that but no big deal.

Man swears at a football match shocker!!!

Your so will have heard all of those words at school.

It wasn't my son. It was a friend's son who we were taking as a treat.

What do you think would have happened to that bloke if he'd done that on Oxford Street, in earshot of a police officer?

The fact that it's so normalised that you can be blase about it says everything.

[mickk]

But that's the point it does happen in the street.

[C70R]

mickk said:

But that's the point it does happen in the street.

Does it?

I don't live in the most upmarket part of London, but I can't recall the last time I heard someone screaming that kind of stuff at the top of their voice in the street.

[mickk]

C70R said:

mickk said:

But that's the point it does happen in the street.

Does it?

I don't live in the most upmarket part of London, but I can't recall the last time I heard someone screaming that kind of stuff at the top of their voice in the street.

Have you never ventured out at pub kicking out time, alcohol and drugs can make some people very shouty.