What the **** is wrong with people?

[C70R]

bad company said:

I count 5 angry faces in that picture, the rest seem to be looking elsewhere or not bothered. Anyway that doesn’t happen every week.

Well, that's fine if it's only 5 of them (even though it's clearly more than that).

This literally happens in every match. The fact you're trying to sweep it under the rug is a perfect illustration of why this problem isn't getting tackled.

[Challo]

C70R said:

mickk said:

bad company said:

I wouldn’t say supported, tolerated would be a more appropriate word. If I’d been there I’d also have ignored the bad behaviour though if it really was racist it needed dealing with and I think was.

It was dealt with, those fans in that pic were prosecuted and rightly so

Correct.

But if they hadn't said anything racist, absolutely zero action would have been taken against them. Nothing. And I know this because it happens in every single game I watch on TV or in-person.

Look at them. Look at that picture. Imagine they aren't saying anything racist. Does that somehow make it OK?

What do you recommend to stop that from happening? How can you implement something now that will stop that man for shouting or using hand signals at a player?

[WindyCommon]

Challo said:

What do you recommend to stop that from happening? How can you implement something now that will stop that man for shouting or using hand signals at a player?

Clubs should be required to enforce their own policies. In Chelsea's case:




They already have the power to:




6.4(c) is the relevant one here - just eject miscreants from the stadium.

If they can't/won't enforce their own policies they should be fined and/or have points deducted.

Edited by WindyCommon on Wednesday 25th May 13:59

[mickk]

Exactly and those rules were applied and are applied in every ground in the country.

[C70R]

mickk said:

Exactly and those rules were applied and are applied in every ground in the country.

If you think that's true, you're deluded.

[bad company]

C70R said:

The example in the picture was racism.

Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.

It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.

I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.

I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.

[bad company]

C70R said:

mickk said:

Exactly and those rules were applied and are applied in every ground in the country.

If you think that's true, you're deluded.

Millions of fans watch and enjoy football every week all over the world. Are we all deluded?

[C70R]

WindyCommon said:

Challo said:

What do you recommend to stop that from happening? How can you implement something now that will stop that man for shouting or using hand signals at a player?

Clubs should be required to enforce their own policies. In Chelsea's case:




They already have the power to:




6.4(c) is the relevant one here - just eject miscreants from the stadium.

If they can't/won't enforce their own policies they should be fined and/or have points deducted.

Edited by WindyCommon on Wednesday 25th May 13:59

But they won't/don't enforce them at all (like the example I gave of my visit), because they are petrified of upsetting the gravy train.

The FA and EPL put together the wholly toothless Kick It Out 'campaign' to basically make it look like they were doing something. Yet, as per the link I shared earlier, the volume of racist abuse is increasing in football.

If they were doing more than pretending to take it seriously, the appropriate punishment would be fining the clubs, docking points and forcing matches behind closed doors. But they won't do any of those things, because they are petrified.

If Johnny Average Chelsea fan, who had previously turned a blind eye to blatant and overt racist abuse of players, suddenly found out that his mates' actions would result in actual punishment for the club, you can be damn sure he'd start to care.

But, because the clubs have all the power, there's no way anything quite so dramatic would ever get passed.

[C70R]

bad company said:

C70R said:

The example in the picture was racism.

Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.

It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.

I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.

I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.

You wouldn't have reported one human racially abusing another human to the appropriate authorities?

You don't think that's serious and upsetting enough for the victim to get "involved"? Do you not care enough about the feelings of the victim (in this case, a 24-year old bloke just going about his job)?

Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.

[C70R]

bad company said:

C70R said:

mickk said:

Exactly and those rules were applied and are applied in every ground in the country.

If you think that's true, you're deluded.

Millions of fans watch and enjoy football every week all over the world. Are we all deluded?

It happens in literally every game I watch on TV, often multiple times.

Take the City-Villa game at the weekend (the last match I watched on TV). Villa were 2-0 up and their keeper was taking his time over a goal-kick in front of the City fans' end.

Behind the goal you could clearly a see a fat, red-faced, middle-aged bloke run down the steps from his seat and lean over the barrier to scream abuse at the keeper. I'm no expert lip-reader, but even I could make out some pretty horrible language.

I watched the security guard, who's allegedly following the rules you outlined above, gently pull the man away by the waist and send him back up the stairs with a pat on the back.

That's the level of apathy that football has for disgusting, targeted abuse. I can't tell whether you're in self-delusion or denial - either way, it's not a good look.

[bad company]

C70R said:

You wouldn't have reported one human racially abusing another human to the appropriate authorities?

You don't think that's serious and upsetting enough for the victim to get "involved"? Do you not care enough about the feelings of the victim (in this case, a 24-year old bloke just going about his job)?

Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.

1. No, I wouldn’t.

2. Raheem Sterling is 27 though maybe that’s an old photo?

3. I’ve been called worse.

[mickk]

C70R said:

mickk said:

Exactly and those rules were applied and are applied in every ground in the country.

If you think that's true, you're deluded.

Do you have Google?

Just search how many fans in the last few years have been prosecuted, we all know it goes on as it does everywhere and in other sports but it's not every week at every match like you're portraying.

[bad company]

mickk said:

C70R said:

mickk said:

Exactly and those rules were applied and are applied in every ground in the country.

If you think that's true, you're deluded.

Do you have Google?

Just search how many fans in the last few years have been prosecuted, we all know it goes on as it does everywhere and in other sports but it's not every week at every match like you're portraying.

If you’re referring specifically to racism it’s very rare indeed nowadays. I started going to football in the 1960’s/70’s. It was much worse then.

[joshcowin]

C70R said:

It happens in literally every game I watch on TV, often multiple times.

Take the City-Villa game at the weekend (the last match I watched on TV). Villa were 2-0 up and their keeper was taking his time over a goal-kick in front of the City fans' end.

Behind the goal you could clearly a see a fat, red-faced, middle-aged bloke run down the steps from his seat and lean over the barrier to scream abuse at the keeper. I'm no expert lip-reader, but even I could make out some pretty horrible language.

I watched the security guard, who's allegedly following the rules you outlined above, gently pull the man away by the waist and send him back up the stairs with a pat on the back.

That's the level of apathy that football has for disgusting, targeted abuse. I can't tell whether you're in self-delusion or denial - either way, it's not a good look.

I hope you reported it then! If not these words apply to you

"You wouldn't have reported one human racially abusing another human to the appropriate authorities?


Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass."

[C70R]

bad company said:

C70R said:

You wouldn't have reported one human racially abusing another human to the appropriate authorities?

You don't think that's serious and upsetting enough for the victim to get "involved"? Do you not care enough about the feelings of the victim (in this case, a 24-year old bloke just going about his job)?

Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.

1. No, I wouldn’t.

2. Raheem Sterling is 27 though maybe that’s an old photo?

3. I’ve been called worse.

I love the fact you need to argue about Sterling's age, as if that somehow justifies you being a scumbag. Anything to distract from the central point.

The abuse and the photo happened in 2019, when Sterling was 24.

[C70R]

joshcowin said:

C70R said:

It happens in literally every game I watch on TV, often multiple times.

Take the City-Villa game at the weekend (the last match I watched on TV). Villa were 2-0 up and their keeper was taking his time over a goal-kick in front of the City fans' end.

Behind the goal you could clearly a see a fat, red-faced, middle-aged bloke run down the steps from his seat and lean over the barrier to scream abuse at the keeper. I'm no expert lip-reader, but even I could make out some pretty horrible language.

I watched the security guard, who's allegedly following the rules you outlined above, gently pull the man away by the waist and send him back up the stairs with a pat on the back.

That's the level of apathy that football has for disgusting, targeted abuse. I can't tell whether you're in self-delusion or denial - either way, it's not a good look.

I hope you reported it then! If not these words apply to you

"You wouldn't have reported one human racially abusing another human to the appropriate authorities?


Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass."

I was watching the match on TV. Who the hell am I supposed to report it to?

Also, cracking job of false equivalence there. Debating not your strong point, I assume?

[bad company]

C70R said:

It happens in literally every game I watch on TV, often multiple times.

Take the City-Villa game at the weekend (the last match I watched on TV). Villa were 2-0 up and their keeper was taking his time over a goal-kick in front of the City fans' end.

Behind the goal you could clearly a see a fat, red-faced, middle-aged bloke run down the steps from his seat and lean over the barrier to scream abuse at the keeper. I'm no expert lip-reader, but even I could make out some pretty horrible language.

I watched the security guard, who's allegedly following the rules you outlined above, gently pull the man away by the waist and send him back up the stairs with a pat on the back.

That's the level of apathy that football has for disgusting, targeted abuse. I can't tell whether you're in self-delusion or denial - either way, it's not a good look.

If the guy didn’t shout anything racist or sexist etc., he broke no laws. He doesn’t sound like a very nice chap but so what?

It’s football not the vicar’s tea party.

[C70R]

bad company said:

mickk said:

C70R said:

mickk said:

Exactly and those rules were applied and are applied in every ground in the country.

If you think that's true, you're deluded.

Do you have Google?

Just search how many fans in the last few years have been prosecuted, we all know it goes on as it does everywhere and in other sports but it's not every week at every match like you're portraying.

If you’re referring specifically to racism it’s very rare indeed nowadays. I started going to football in the 1960’s/70’s. It was much worse then.

The Kick It Out report I linked above say it's taken a sharp increase in recent years.

I find it astonishing that anyone with a moral compass can belittle or sweep this kind of behaviour under the carpet: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/12/r...

[egor110]

C70R said:

bad company said:

C70R said:

The example in the picture was racism.

Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.

It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.

I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.

I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.

You wouldn't have reported one human racially abusing another human to the appropriate authorities?

You don't think that's serious and upsetting enough for the victim to get "involved"? Do you not care enough about the feelings of the victim (in this case, a 24-year old bloke just going about his job)?

Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.

So what would you do ?

Report it to the stewards , if they remove them what's your plan b ?

Perhaps your right and the clubs aren't going to do anything , so do you stop supporting the club or carry on pointlessly moaning on a car forum ?

[C70R]

bad company said:

C70R said:

It happens in literally every game I watch on TV, often multiple times.

Take the City-Villa game at the weekend (the last match I watched on TV). Villa were 2-0 up and their keeper was taking his time over a goal-kick in front of the City fans' end.

Behind the goal you could clearly a see a fat, red-faced, middle-aged bloke run down the steps from his seat and lean over the barrier to scream abuse at the keeper. I'm no expert lip-reader, but even I could make out some pretty horrible language.

I watched the security guard, who's allegedly following the rules you outlined above, gently pull the man away by the waist and send him back up the stairs with a pat on the back.

That's the level of apathy that football has for disgusting, targeted abuse. I can't tell whether you're in self-delusion or denial - either way, it's not a good look.

If the guy didn’t shout anything racist or sexist etc., he broke no laws. He doesn’t sound like a very nice chap but so what?

It’s football not the vicar’s tea party.

If he did that on Oxford Street, in earshot of the police, he'd be cautioned or arrested for a Section 5 public order offence.

If the clubs cared half as much about enforcing their behaviour rules as they did about their reputation, he'd have been ejected from the game.

Instead, he was gently coerced back to his seat with a pat on the back and the approval of the fans around him.