The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 16]
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E65Ross said:
Pommy said:
Adam B said:
LoonyTunes said:
Pommy said:
and unlike every other club we have stability and certainty ahead with much to look forward to.
Er...Spurs aren't stable and have nothing to look forward to with our new stadium and all?Seriously?
I'd say Spurs (I suspect Poch will stay and will be given stadium revenue to buy Eriksen and Toby replacements) and City have plenty of stability and bright prospects, Chelsea are all over the place and will struggle without Hazard but will doubtless throw some money at it and change manager again, arsenal are rebuilding, Utd have 3 or 4 years or rebuilding work
Edited by Adam B on Thursday 25th April 12:33
They'll just throw more money at the situation so not a big problem.
ChocolateFrog said:
Sane is the one, and maybe Jesus.
They'd walk into any starting line up in the PL, accept maybe ours yet are reduced to 15 min outings, if they're lucky.
Wonder how many Gabriel Jesus would have scored in our team this season instead of Bobby?They'd walk into any starting line up in the PL, accept maybe ours yet are reduced to 15 min outings, if they're lucky.
Ignoring bobby's link up play, tracking back, assists etc I know how good he is.
I'm talking purely goals scored.
Asking for a friend...
Guvernator said:
You've still got a very slim chance but I can't really see City dropping points in the games left. At least you can say you gave them a very good run for their money. I think you pretty much lost the title back in Feb\March when you were 7 points ahead but had your run of draws tbh. Odd games to draw too but I guess no one can be 100% on it all season, even City had a wobble, it's just theirs was earlier then yours and they recovered quicker.
Any other season you'd have won it but City and their bottomless millions have moved the goal posts unfortunately so you are probably going to have to spend again this summer. As someone said above, I think the one thing you are missing is a leader\midfield general ala Gerrard.
A fair assessment, we have a very slim chance in the league, and a fair chance in the CL (although we are far from favourites)Any other season you'd have won it but City and their bottomless millions have moved the goal posts unfortunately so you are probably going to have to spend again this summer. As someone said above, I think the one thing you are missing is a leader\midfield general ala Gerrard.
Gerrards / Keanes / Vieras / Pirlos don't exist IMHO, in terms of players which are so good they can't be dropped plus drive the team forward and lead.
Ronaldo is one example perhaps, there maybe others in Europe but my knowledge is lacking
City don't have one - the only natural leader they have is Kompany, and we have VVD. Henderson is doing brilliantly in the leadership but is not of the same playing quality as Gerrard - who is?
I would be happy with a creative midfielder (forget Hazard who wouldn't come and Eriksen is unreliable and over-priced) and a decent striker to replace Sturridge (Wilson?) and some cover for the full backs
wjb said:
Wonder how many Gabriel Jesus would have scored in our team this season instead of Bobby?
Ignoring bobby's link up play, tracking back, assists etc I know how good he is.
I'm talking purely goals scored.
Asking for a friend...
more than Firmino as he would concentrate on scoring and not so much "link up play, tracking back, assists etc"Ignoring bobby's link up play, tracking back, assists etc I know how good he is.
I'm talking purely goals scored.
Asking for a friend...
Not sure about Eriksen being overpriced, when on it he is probably one of the best creative midfielders currently in the modern game. I'd rate him better than Coutinho for instance and you managed to sell him for £140m. He's 27 too so still got a good 5 years in him, especially as his game is not about running or pace.
He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
m3sye said:
TaylotS2K said:
Yep.
Eden Hazard v Sadio Mane this season:
•Goals: 16 - 18
•Assists: 13 - 1
•Pass success: 84% - 79%
•Key passes: 89 - 40
•MOTM: 13 - 5
•Dribbles: 182 - 97
•Goal contributions: 29 - 19
Daylight robbery.
That is what happens when you play for a club who play Thursday night football, pretty sure he will be in it in LA LIGA next year. Eden Hazard v Sadio Mane this season:
•Goals: 16 - 18
•Assists: 13 - 1
•Pass success: 84% - 79%
•Key passes: 89 - 40
•MOTM: 13 - 5
•Dribbles: 182 - 97
•Goal contributions: 29 - 19
Daylight robbery.
Guvernator said:
Not sure about Eriksen being overpriced, when on it he is probably one of the best creative midfielders currently in the modern game. I'd rate him better than Coutinho for instance and you managed to sell him for £140m. He's 27 too so still got a good 5 years in him, especially as his game is not about running or pace.
He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
He'll stay at Spurs.He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
Toby might go but that would be Spurs choice really as his age is against him.
LoonyTunes said:
He'll stay at Spurs.
Toby might go but that would be Spurs choice really as his age is against him.
We'll have to pay him a lot more than the £70k a week he's currently on which in the grand scheme of things is literally peanuts for a player of his quality. He could easily earn 3 times as much.Toby might go but that would be Spurs choice really as his age is against him.
TaylotS2K said:
m3sye said:
TaylotS2K said:
Yep.
Eden Hazard v Sadio Mane this season:
•Goals: 16 - 18
•Assists: 13 - 1
•Pass success: 84% - 79%
•Key passes: 89 - 40
•MOTM: 13 - 5
•Dribbles: 182 - 97
•Goal contributions: 29 - 19
Daylight robbery.
That is what happens when you play for a club who play Thursday night football, pretty sure he will be in it in LA LIGA next year. Eden Hazard v Sadio Mane this season:
•Goals: 16 - 18
•Assists: 13 - 1
•Pass success: 84% - 79%
•Key passes: 89 - 40
•MOTM: 13 - 5
•Dribbles: 182 - 97
•Goal contributions: 29 - 19
Daylight robbery.
Guvernator said:
Not sure about Eriksen being overpriced, when on it he is probably one of the best creative midfielders currently in the modern game. I'd rate him better than Coutinho for instance and you managed to sell him for £140m. He's 27 too so still got a good 5 years in him, especially as his game is not about running or pace.
He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
I think there's quite a bit of spurs bias in there. I've watched him a few times this season and he didn't look anything that special. He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
TaylotS2K said:
m3sye said:
TaylotS2K said:
Yep.
Eden Hazard v Sadio Mane this season:
•Goals: 16 - 18
•Assists: 13 - 1
•Pass success: 84% - 79%
•Key passes: 89 - 40
•MOTM: 13 - 5
•Dribbles: 182 - 97
•Goal contributions: 29 - 19
Daylight robbery.
That is what happens when you play for a club who play Thursday night football, pretty sure he will be in it in LA LIGA next year. Eden Hazard v Sadio Mane this season:
•Goals: 16 - 18
•Assists: 13 - 1
•Pass success: 84% - 79%
•Key passes: 89 - 40
•MOTM: 13 - 5
•Dribbles: 182 - 97
•Goal contributions: 29 - 19
Daylight robbery.
Adam B said:
Gerrards / Keanes / Vieras / Pirlos don't exist IMHO, in terms of players which are so good they can't be dropped plus drive the team forward and lead.
Ronaldo is one example perhaps, there maybe others in Europe but my knowledge is lacking
I've heard Lionel Messi is pretty goodRonaldo is one example perhaps, there maybe others in Europe but my knowledge is lacking
Guvernator said:
Not sure about Eriksen being overpriced, when on it he is probably one of the best creative midfielders currently in the modern game. I'd rate him better than Coutinho for instance and you managed to sell him for £140m. He's 27 too so still got a good 5 years in him, especially as his game is not about running or pace.
He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
Guvernator said:
We'll have to pay him a lot more than the £70k a week he's currently on which in the grand scheme of things is literally peanuts for a player of his quality. He could easily earn 3 times as much.
Don't get me wrong, but have quite a few of your fans not been posting recently Eriksen is a luxury player, quite often goes missing in games etc? Or is it a bit like Phil with us? Was the best until we knew he was leaving, then suddenly some of his weaknesses got pointed out, wouldn't be such a big loss etc. And perhaps same as Walker for you guys previously. In reality often it's not as bad a loss to the team as you before the player is gone (look at us now!) but funny how perception changes! I guess it makes sense for him to hang on a little longer until his contract is finished, then cash in for a huge pay day of say 300k a week or something silly. More than signing a new contract for say 100k a week with you.
Adam B said:
Guvernator said:
You've still got a very slim chance but I can't really see City dropping points in the games left. At least you can say you gave them a very good run for their money. I think you pretty much lost the title back in Feb\March when you were 7 points ahead but had your run of draws tbh. Odd games to draw too but I guess no one can be 100% on it all season, even City had a wobble, it's just theirs was earlier then yours and they recovered quicker.
Any other season you'd have won it but City and their bottomless millions have moved the goal posts unfortunately so you are probably going to have to spend again this summer. As someone said above, I think the one thing you are missing is a leader\midfield general ala Gerrard.
A fair assessment, we have a very slim chance in the league, and a fair chance in the CL (although we are far from favourites)Any other season you'd have won it but City and their bottomless millions have moved the goal posts unfortunately so you are probably going to have to spend again this summer. As someone said above, I think the one thing you are missing is a leader\midfield general ala Gerrard.
Gerrards / Keanes / Vieras / Pirlos don't exist IMHO, in terms of players which are so good they can't be dropped plus drive the team forward and lead.
Ronaldo is one example perhaps, there maybe others in Europe but my knowledge is lacking
City don't have one - the only natural leader they have is Kompany, and we have VVD. Henderson is doing brilliantly in the leadership but is not of the same playing quality as Gerrard - who is?
I would be happy with a creative midfielder (forget Hazard who wouldn't come and Eriksen is unreliable and over-priced) and a decent striker to replace Sturridge (Wilson?) and some cover for the full backs
And is City's not KdB?
Guvernator said:
Not sure about Eriksen being overpriced, when on it he is probably one of the best creative midfielders currently in the modern game. I'd rate him better than Coutinho for instance and you managed to sell him for £140m. He's 27 too so still got a good 5 years in him, especially as his game is not about running or pace.
He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
He's got a year left on his contract which must be a factor.He does have the occasional game where he disappears but not every often tbh. He's also crap at defensive duties which might not suit some systems like Klopp's but you already have enough defensive mids. You'd be mad to turn down the chance of nabbing him if the chance came up IMO. He is exactly the sort of player you are lacking at the minute, just imagine him feeding your front 3!
In fact scratch that, I'd rather we sold him to Spain.
NRS said:
Don't get me wrong, but have quite a few of your fans not been posting recently Eriksen is a luxury player, quite often goes missing in games etc? Or is it a bit like Phil with us? Was the best until we knew he was leaving, then suddenly some of his weaknesses got pointed out, wouldn't be such a big loss etc. And perhaps same as Walker for you guys previously. In reality often it's not as bad a loss to the team as you before the player is gone (look at us now!) but funny how perception changes!
I guess it makes sense for him to hang on a little longer until his contract is finished, then cash in for a huge pay day of say 300k a week or something silly. More than signing a new contract for say 100k a week with you.
There may be some resignation that he's probably going to leave which inevitably leads to a bit of negativity but he's certainly been off the boil lately too. Now you might put that down to the "extended" contract negotiations or maybe he simply wants to leave.I guess it makes sense for him to hang on a little longer until his contract is finished, then cash in for a huge pay day of say 300k a week or something silly. More than signing a new contract for say 100k a week with you.
Either way when he doesn't contribute with his passing and link up play, he's not really good for much else. I've seen him literally watch an opposition player run past him and not even make a token effort at stopping them. That could be termed a luxury player when your backs are against the wall but when he is in the zone which is more often than not, he is a proven match winner, simple as that. The question is can you afford to carry him for the half dozen games of the season where he can't be bothered to put a shift in?
We'd cope without him of course but I can't say it wouldn't be a big blow. If he has to go I'd rather he went abroad though. I'd hate to see him in a red shirt for instance, picking us apart with his amazing passing next year.
You've talked about possibly getting Coutinho back, in a choice of the two, I think I'd pick the Dane tbh. You have to go back before his recent poor form to watch some games where he is on it to appreciate just how good he is.
Adam B said:
more than Firmino as he would concentrate on scoring and not so much "link up play, tracking back, assists etc"
I still wouldn't swap him though, did you see him track back and start the attack for our second goal against Porto?I'm happy everyone thinks he's bang average
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