The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 16]
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TTmonkey said:
SydneyBridge said:
It may well come down to the results of our games against city, which it pretty much did last season
You’re results against city allowed hem to close the gap and get them back near contention. It was not beating Everton that let it slip.
You can't win every game, but you need to make sure that you don't lose against your rivals. A draw at the Etihad would've been enough. Both teams had bad results elsewhere throughout the season.
Mad that Everton was the last league game we didn't win though.
TTmonkey said:
You’re results against city allowed hem to close the gap and get them back near contention.
It was not beating Everton that let it slip.
It’s what every Evertonian wants to believe as it would be only highlight of their season.It was not beating Everton that let it slip.
No Liverpool or neutral thinks it, it was the 1 point from 6 vs City that lost us the league.
We got lucky at Anfield with the penalty and that ran out at Etihad with our post and out and their post and in
Edited by Adam B on Sunday 1st September 11:05
Chris Stott said:
Although the loss at city was painful, the draws at United, Leicester, WH and Everton lost us the title. We should have won at least 2 of them. Which would have comfortably given us the title.
It's not quite right to view it like that though is it. There were games where we were lucky to win so we can swop them with those you mention if it feels better?Ultimately had we not lost points to city we win the league. That was the difference. Against the rest of the teams in the league we matched them or went two points better I think?
One of them isn't it. When your margin for error is so small it's a handful of games we can look at to see where we lost it, but a similar amount in the games we won where you could argue we got lucky.
We lost by a point so mathematically you could pick any draw or loss and say it was then, and mathematically all are correct
From a belief / confidence perspective the Etihad game was key, a draw would have been a good result, would have maintained out buffer and City would miss their opportunity to pull back out lead.
Clear for me, but as I said no wrong answer which is why Everton can continue to pretend they made the difference
From a belief / confidence perspective the Etihad game was key, a draw would have been a good result, would have maintained out buffer and City would miss their opportunity to pull back out lead.
Clear for me, but as I said no wrong answer which is why Everton can continue to pretend they made the difference
Can see why Mane was upset yesterday. In context, Salah had an age to play him in. Salah also had an opportunity to play Bobby in, but shanked a right footed shot instead. I don't know if the scoresheet has an impact on this thinking. If we're up and others have scored, Salah perhaps gets more greedy as he wants his goal, too. I see the value in a selfish goalscorer but for the sake of team harmony he needs to play his part for the team, too. Last thing we need is a private golden boot competition undermining our season. I'm sure they'll sort it behind closed doors and stop it becoming a thing.
type-r said:
Agreed. You can't cherry pick games. Did 6mm "cost us the title" too?
6mm might have handed us the CL too. 
If Aguero was onside in the 1/4 final when he passed to sterling, City would've gone through.
I wouldn't have fancied playing city in the final, we were a bit off the pace, lucky it was just spurs tbf.
I had a think about it this morning. In hindsight I wouldn't ask Salah to change and "pass more often". If he is through on goal, you don't want him to start thinking: oh should I pass because I'll be criticised by pundits/media/fans or should I shoot? He needs to go on his instinct alone or he'll lose his edge. Sure it can be frustrating to watch at times but part of the reason why Salah has picked up/shared the golden boot 2 years running is because of his volume of shots. Most don't go in but those that do, contribute to a positive result.
Hopefully Mane and Salah have laughed about it and that's it. I'm glad Mane showed passion; shows me he is a winner.
Hopefully Mane and Salah have laughed about it and that's it. I'm glad Mane showed passion; shows me he is a winner.
ferrisbueller said:
Can see why Mane was upset yesterday. In context, Salah had an age to play him in. Salah also had an opportunity to play Bobby in, but shanked a right footed shot instead. I don't know if the scoresheet has an impact on this thinking. If we're up and others have scored, Salah perhaps gets more greedy as he wants his goal, too. I see the value in a selfish goalscorer but for the sake of team harmony he needs to play his part for the team, too. Last thing we need is a private golden boot competition undermining our season. I'm sure they'll sort it behind closed doors and stop it becoming a thing.
Maybe the front 3 should have a competition where goals & assists count, bit like Trent and Robbo 
wjb said:
6mm might have handed us the CL too.
If Aguero was onside in the 1/4 final when he passed to sterling, City would've gone through.
I wouldn't have fancied playing city in the final, we were a bit off the pace, lucky it was just spurs tbf.
Just goes to show; it really is a game of fine margins. Last season is a prime example. Just how the chips fall sometimes.If Aguero was onside in the 1/4 final when he passed to sterling, City would've gone through.
I wouldn't have fancied playing city in the final, we were a bit off the pace, lucky it was just spurs tbf.
type-r said:
I had a think about it this morning. In hindsight I wouldn't ask Salah to change and "pass more often". If he is through on goal, you don't want him to start thinking: oh should I pass because I'll be criticised by pundits/media/fans or should I shoot?
If he’s through on goal I want him to shoot, have no issue with the one where he tamely shot straight to the keeper in he centre of goal, as he had a clear sight of goal.But yesterday the were two occasions when he had the other two clear on goal and he tried to shoot through defenders when it was clearly not the best option.
Which pisses me off and I am glad Mane was upset too
type-r said:
I had a think about it this morning. In hindsight I wouldn't ask Salah to change and "pass more often". If he is through on goal, you don't want him to start thinking: oh should I pass because I'll be criticised by pundits/media/fans or should I shoot? He needs to go on his instinct alone or he'll lose his edge. Sure it can be frustrating to watch at times but part of the reason why Salah has picked up/shared the golden boot 2 years running is because of his volume of shots. Most don't go in but those that do, contribute to a positive result.
He needs to get better at the final decision, that's it. Plenty of immensely talented footballers don't make it because they're rubbish at making that final decision. The more Salah is selfish and doesn't score, the more he'll be criticised. Either he HAS to score in which case no one will dare question him (a la Ronaldo or Messi), or he has to pass to the players in better positions.
jammy-git said:
He needs to get better at the final decision, that's it. Plenty of immensely talented footballers don't make it because they're rubbish at making that final decision.
The more Salah is selfish and doesn't score, the more he'll be criticised. Either he HAS to score in which case no one will dare question him (a la Ronaldo or Messi), or he has to pass to the players in better positions.
I agree on this. The issue is the chances he had ended up not even being half chances, weaker foot having to beat two when Mane and Firmino are almost certain goals with an easy pass. That's the issue here. He took the harder option both times and it was considerably harder. The more Salah is selfish and doesn't score, the more he'll be criticised. Either he HAS to score in which case no one will dare question him (a la Ronaldo or Messi), or he has to pass to the players in better positions.
There are times when Salah being Selfish has won us game, find me a forward with his goal record who isn't selfish at times.
I see every top forward in the world take shots on when there was an easier pass but having that in them is what gets them to the top...
Saying its to the detriment of Liverpool is madness when you consider were talking about a player 57 goals in 75 appearance and 20 assists.
Mane has done what he did yesterday man a time, compare the stats of assists for the 2 and you will see Salah assists a hell of a lot more than Mané...
26 more than Mané
I see every top forward in the world take shots on when there was an easier pass but having that in them is what gets them to the top...
Saying its to the detriment of Liverpool is madness when you consider were talking about a player 57 goals in 75 appearance and 20 assists.
Mane has done what he did yesterday man a time, compare the stats of assists for the 2 and you will see Salah assists a hell of a lot more than Mané...
26 more than Mané
Edited by m3sye on Sunday 1st September 15:02
Adam B said:
Is anyone allowed to constructively criticise one of our players or the manager or the club Sye, or are they all perfect and beyond reproach ?
We all like Mo but there are times to be selfish and times to look up and play the pass,
You have given an option and I have given one back what's the difference?We all like Mo but there are times to be selfish and times to look up and play the pass,
As I said you find me any striker in the world that wants to be the best who isn't sometimes selfish ill tell you he's not a top striker..
Salah's assists rate is ridiculous considering the amount of goals he scores, check out his assists to someone like kanes
I see Kane, aguero, ronaldo take shots on every week when there is an option to pass that could be a better option, it's what top strikers do.
The amount of times Salah has taken on a half chance and scored is ridiculous and won us games...
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