Man city vs spurs offside?
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Never seen a thread about an offside decision before.
Man city supporters need to get over it.
You’re not the best team to ever walk the planet as you seem to think,
Liverpool are far from their best team ever and they are running you close for the league.
A good but not great spurs knocked you out of the champions league.
There are many great teams from the past who acheived great things against better opposition that were better than this city side.
But of course, the latest is greatest apparantly.
Man city supporters need to get over it.
You’re not the best team to ever walk the planet as you seem to think,
Liverpool are far from their best team ever and they are running you close for the league.
A good but not great spurs knocked you out of the champions league.
There are many great teams from the past who acheived great things against better opposition that were better than this city side.
But of course, the latest is greatest apparantly.
48k said:
GetCarter said:
TaylotS2K said:
For me the offside isn't in question. The Llorente goal is though. Personally I would have given it. However, given UEFA stance on handballs in the UCL this season I was surprised it was given.
But the ball didn't touch his hand or arm. It clearly came off his thigh. Good decision by Ref and VAR.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Zoon said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Zoon said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
DocJock said:
Puggit said:
No offside or the old offside. The current offside laws are an abomination of the game.
100% this ^^ Wasn't it Bill Shankly who was credited with saying "If you aren't interfering with play, what are doing on the pitch?"?RichB said:
DocJock said:
Puggit said:
No offside or the old offside. The current offside laws are an abomination of the game.
100% this ^^ Wasn't it Bill Shankly who was credited with saying "If you aren't interfering with play, what are doing on the pitch?"?TwigtheWonderkid said:
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Integroo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I'd rather the right decision was made. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Unlike goal line technology, VAR doesn't make the decision. So another set of refs do and it wont always be right even then after minutes of deliberation. Then there is the extent of phases of play before a goal that they have to consider. FIFA, UEFA and the EPL all have different guidelines on this.
So the 'decision' still depends human view points rather than technology going 'yes / no' so there will be continue to be disagreements.
Just leave it to the ref.
In the corporate world, making decisions where duress is applied has been proven to generate bad and/or wrong decision making.
I don’t see how, even with the best referees, that placing duress onto a referee at a critical moment will generate the correct outcome.
You need people in the back room locked away who are not under duress to make the decision.
I don’t see how, even with the best referees, that placing duress onto a referee at a critical moment will generate the correct outcome.
You need people in the back room locked away who are not under duress to make the decision.
For me, the greatest flaw of VAR is that it will remove the wonderful, life affirming spontaneity of celebrating a goal.
Instead, in many instances fans will catch a breath.....and wait.....then wait some more......then watch the ref watch a TV screen and then finally respond to his decision.
Respond and not react. The glory and the joyous energy for the fan is in the reaction.
Instead, in many instances fans will catch a breath.....and wait.....then wait some more......then watch the ref watch a TV screen and then finally respond to his decision.
Respond and not react. The glory and the joyous energy for the fan is in the reaction.
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