The Official Manchester City (World Club Champions)Thread

[MiniMan64]

Wacky Racer said:

MiniMan64 said:

Isn’t the City stadium usually half empty?

No, sometimes there are empty seats if we are not playing a top 6 club, but the seat has usually have been paid for by a season ticket holder, they could be on holiday etc.

Average attendance 2018/19 (Official figures)


Manchester City 54,130
Liverpool 53,053
Newcastle United 52,238
Chelsea 40,445

What’s your maximum capacity?

[jammy-git]

Official attendance figures definitely do not correspond to bums on seats. Probably with a lot of clubs, but it is more true of City than most.

[tamore]

Adam B said:

TBH my issue with City blatant circumventing of FFP is more my dislike of the owners.

baffled by this. very low key owners who rarely say anything publicly. what do you so dislike about them?

genuinely interested.

[TEKNOPUG]

Wacky Racer said:

franki68 said:

I cannot speak for Liverpool as I am unclear as to their financial structuring but most teams have an ability to spend commensurate with their ability to earn.The argument for example that United are owned by billionaires is just such insane drivel only a peanut brain could make it.
The owners plunged the club into huge debt,but United can spend big because of the on and off field success,same with most other teams ,the exceptions are city ,psg etc clubs who's ability to spend big is purely determined by how much money the owner is willing to pump in.
In

Not true,

City have millions coming in from season ticket sales (Av attendance 50,000 plus), shirt sponsorship, prize money from all the many competitions they have won in the past seven or eight years, ground advertising, club shop sales etc.

Yes, not disputing we were given a huge boost by Sheikh Mansour twelve years ago, but we are self financing now, which was the plan all along.

You're owned by the Abu Dhabi royal family and sponsored by the Abu Dhabi government, yet consider yourselves "self financing"? I mean you are certainly financing yourselves but probably not in the way you meant

[Wacky Racer]

MiniMan64 said:

What’s your maximum capacity?

"The City of Manchester Stadium in Manchester, England, currently known as the Etihad Stadium for sponsorship reasons, is the home of Manchester City and, with a domestic football capacity of 55,097, the sixth-largest in the Premier League and tenth-largest in the United Kingdom."

I have been watching City since 1961, even in our championship winning season at Maine Road 1967/8 the average attendance was only 36,000....there was the odd 63,000 gate against United etc.

Crowds were huge in the 1930's, 84,569 against Stoke in 1934 which remains a record (Outside Wembley) even to this day....(My dad went to that game)

I think we will have to accept we will never get close to United's attendances of around 75,000, but I remember in the mid seventies they were struggling to pull in 40,000 at OT, so things could change,

[Wacky Racer]

TEKNOPUG said:

You're owned by the Abu Dhabi royal family and sponsored by the Abu Dhabi government, yet consider yourselves "self financing"? I mean you are certainly financing yourselves but probably not in the way you meant

Yes, definitely self financing now.....

More money to pour in when we win The Champions league & FA cup in a few weeks.

We need a bigger trophy room....

[Adam B]

tamore said:

baffled by this. very low key owners who rarely say anything publicly. what do you so dislike about them?

genuinely interested.

Really? I don’t mean they pick their nose and litter the stands, or make crap YouTube car reviews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_th...

I can’t help feeling they are investing in western assets to whitewash their rep, especially popular cultural assets like football clubs

[tamore]

Adam B said:

Really? I don’t mean they pick their nose and litter the stands, or make crap YouTube car reviews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_th...

I can’t help feeling they are investing in western assets to whitewash their rep, especially popular cultural assets like football clubs

but that's accusations against the government of the entire country. have you seen what mansour is actually responsible for?

by your extrapolation, fenway are a big, powerful entity in the US albeit focussed on sports, but must be partially responsible for the racial inequality in the states due to their stature.

[Puggit]

Oh dear...

"CAS say accusations Man City reported misleading financial information were “either not established or time-barred”, because Uefa's rules do not permit prosecution after 5 years.

The Premier League's investigation does not have time limit restrictions."

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/man-city-premie...

[smn159]

tamore said:

have you seen what mansour is actually responsible for?

by your extrapolation, fenway are a big, powerful entity in the US albeit focussed on sports, but must be partially responsible for the racial inequality in the states due to their stature.

Well he was chair of the judicial department in 2007, which would seem to have some influence over human rights, I would have thought?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansour_bin_Zayed_Al...

[jammy-git]

Puggit said:

Oh dear...

"CAS say accusations Man City reported misleading financial information were “either not established or time-barred”, because Uefa's rules do not permit prosecution after 5 years.

The Premier League's investigation does not have time limit restrictions."

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/man-city-premie...

I can't see the PL wanting to be dragged into all this. There's a reason why they always just follow the lead of UEFA/CAS on such matters.

[franki68]

Wacky Racer said:

"The City of Manchester Stadium in Manchester, England, currently known as the Etihad Stadium for sponsorship reasons, is the home of Manchester City and, with a domestic football capacity of 55,097, the sixth-largest in the Premier League and tenth-largest in the United Kingdom."

I have been watching City since 1961, even in our championship winning season at Maine Road 1967/8 the average attendance was only 36,000....there was the odd 63,000 gate against United etc.

Crowds were huge in the 1930's, 84,569 against Stoke in 1934 which remains a record (Outside Wembley) even to this day....(My dad went to that game)

I think we will have to accept we will never get close to United's attendances of around 75,000, but I remember in the mid seventies they were struggling to pull in 40,000 at OT, so things could change,

Your memory isn’t great ,Uniteds average attendance in the 70s was between 58 and 61 thousand ,they averaged 60000 + when they played in the second division ,the only time the attendances were 40k was the seasons when the stadium was being redeveloped

[Adam B]

tamore said:

but that's accusations against the government of the entire country. have you seen what mansour is actually responsible for?

by your extrapolation, fenway are a big, powerful entity in the US albeit focussed on sports, but must be partially responsible for the racial inequality in the states due to their stature.

The lines between royalty and state are very blurred over there, and when I say blurred I mean "the same"

Let's see - "Sheikh Mansour, is an Emirati politician who is the deputy prime minister of the United Arab Emirates, minister of presidential affairs and member of the royal family of Abu Dhabi. He is also the chairman of the ministerial council for services, the Emirates Investment Authority and the Emirates Racing Authority. He sits on the Supreme Petroleum Council and the boards of numerous investment companies including the International Petroleum Investment Company (IPIC) and the Abu Dhabi Investment Council (ADIC)... Mansour is the chairman of the Abu Dhabi Judicial Department "

and his brother is the President.

So that would be equivalent to John Henry owning FSG whilst also managing to influence US domestic and international policy and having his family personally receive a high % of the US GDP. He also runs or influences the FED, SEC, Fannie Mae and Mac, the FBI and CIA. And controls US oil and shale production. And controls the US judiciary system. Oh and if he didn't like the owner of NY Yankees who could click his fingers and have him imprisoned and tortured without trial. And Trump being his half brother.

Seriously, if you want to be in denial about your owners I get it, the money has transformed your club. But don't expect others to be just because he says nothing and smiles and waves on the terraces.

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th July 16:54

[tamore]

didn't say it was a direct comparison, but there you spout off again as usual.

all i'm saying is we all overlook aspects of our clubs and owners. god knows you lot do.

[Adam B]

By "spout off" I take it you mean answer your question and respond to your nonsensical extrapolation.

I doubt any rich owner is perfect but you asked what my issue was because you were "genuinely interested".

I gave a genuine answer, sorry if you didn't like it

[tamore]

spouting off as in 'blatant circumnavigation of FFP' despite being cleared by CAS. judge, jury and executioner.

mind made up, and nothing will change it. and happy to spout off, as usual.

[m3sye]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/13/m...

Good article on it

[Wacky Racer]

franki68 said:

Your memory isn’t great ,Uniteds average attendance in the 70s was between 58 and 61 thousand ,they averaged 60000 + when they played in the second division ,the only time the attendances were 40k was the seasons when the stadium was being redeveloped

Fair enough.

Lowest home attendance 23,906 vs Middlesbrough (8 October 1973)
Average home league attendance 41,251 1973

[smn159]

Getting off on a technicality because of the 5 year time bar isn't exactly being cleared though

[Adam B]

smn159 said:

Getting off on a technicality because of the 5 year time bar isn't exactly being cleared though

I wouldn't waste your breath, contrary opinions not welcome