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Fast Bug said:
franki68 said:
predictability is boring,and lack of competition is also boring.
Isn't it up to the other teams in the league to up their game though? Or should City be made to field 8 players to give everyone else a chance?Gadgetmac said:
Fast Bug said:
franki68 said:
predictability is boring,and lack of competition is also boring.
Isn't it up to the other teams in the league to up their game though? Or should City be made to field 8 players to give everyone else a chance?Fast Bug said:
Isn't it up to the other teams in the league to up their game though? Or should City be made to field 8 players to give everyone else a chance?
Occasionally you might get a freak season like Liverpool but it’s quite clear no one can compete financially and the premier league will end up like the German league and french league .franki68 said:
Fast Bug said:
Isn't it up to the other teams in the league to up their game though? Or should City be made to field 8 players to give everyone else a chance?
Occasionally you might get a freak season like Liverpool but it’s quite clear no one can compete financially and the premier league will end up like the German league and french league .If we want to make football 'fair', then we should have a salary cap. There's nothing worse than other big teams who have spent the most for the past 50 years moaning about a smaller club now spending a large amount of money.
They didn't look half as good at the start of the season, so fair play for changing it round. Once Pep goes as well they'll go into a period of transition and they might end up with a couple of managers who don't work out.
Foden is looking better as every month passes, looks a right talent.
I agree. City fans might point to the fact that they've don't pay high prices for players and their wage bill is in line with other clubs, but that's just clever accounting and they have a bench full of £50m+ players. We're the richest league in the world and yet City make Bayern and the Bundesliga look amateur. At least when Utd were winning, whilst painful, they did it because Fergie was a genius and they rode the wave of commercialisation as it hit the Premiership. Whenever City win a trophy it just feels very hollow, as it did with Chelsea before them.
stuartmmcfc said:
You don’t think Pep is a football genius?
he's brilliant but he has inherited great teams ,goes to the richest team in their respective leagues and as such it's hard to quantify his excellence.Could he have done what fergy did at united or klopp has done at liverpool ? Who knows but he certainly has avoided those type of challenges. franki68 said:
stuartmmcfc said:
You don’t think Pep is a football genius?
he's brilliant but he has inherited great teams ,goes to the richest team in their respective leagues and as such it's hard to quantify his excellence.Could he have done what fergy did at united or klopp has done at liverpool ? Who knows but he certainly has avoided those type of challenges. He’s also managed to keep a lot of players happy (not all obviously) despite not necessarily being first choice.
If I owned a Ferrari then I’d employ the best mechanic with the best reputation and I think that’s what City’s owners have done IMO.
His handling of Foden alone shows he’s on a higher footballing level tan me. Most would have sent him out on loan to be developed.
The mans not perfect. If he was or it was easy if you have the money, we’d have won the CL by now.
Edit to add: not 100% sure but I think I’m right only Sterling wasn’t a Pep signing from the starting 11 last night.? (I didn’t count Foden but Pep has obviously been instrumental in his development)
Not really an inherited team!
Edited by stuartmmcfc on Thursday 18th February 16:00
Pep is class, yes he spends money and he overthinks things in Europe (in my opinion), but he's transformed players like Sterling and KDB into machines. I remember we smashed Man City 4-2 in Peps first season and that team was completely different to the one he has today. Spending money makes it easier, but it's still hard. Plus, they don't make a lot on player sales because their best players tend to stay there and either end up retiring there or move on for free wit the clubs blessing, Silva, Kompany, Toure etc. I imagine Aguero will be the same.
Other clubs like Chelsea, United and Everton have spent hundreds of millions and got nowhere near the title in the past few seasons.
Other clubs like Chelsea, United and Everton have spent hundreds of millions and got nowhere near the title in the past few seasons.
jammy-git said:
I agree. City fans might point to the fact that they've don't pay high prices for players and their wage bill is in line with other clubs, but that's just clever accounting and they have a bench full of £50m+ players. We're the richest league in the world and yet City make Bayern and the Bundesliga look amateur. At least when Utd were winning, whilst painful, they did it because Fergie was a genius and they rode the wave of commercialisation as it hit the Premiership. Whenever City win a trophy it just feels very hollow, as it did with Chelsea before them.
This seems to be the big point always missed when discussing City, Chelsea, PSG. Liverpool winning it last year hurt more than any title City will ever win because Liverpool are a proper club and proper rivals.It was touched on earlier that City weren't at the races earlier this season, look at where they are now. That's without KDB or Augero, and I'd say that Jesus wouldn't be a starter at any of the top 6/7 teams bar West Ham, so they have lacked a cutting edge forward. Pep has to take the credit for that doesn't he?
What about the Liverpool game? He made a few tweaks at half time and they won the game, he didn't try and persist with how he started the game off as it wsn't working. I think he's earned the right to be at a club with money, if you were a manager and you were offered City with pots of cash, or Burnley, where would you go?
Throughout football over the last 30 odd years there has always been teams with more money to spend than the others. Everton in the dim and distant past, Blackburn, United, Chelsea and now City. At some point the golden eggs will stop being laid and another team will have more money to spend than City, and City won't be packed full of superstar players.
What about the Liverpool game? He made a few tweaks at half time and they won the game, he didn't try and persist with how he started the game off as it wsn't working. I think he's earned the right to be at a club with money, if you were a manager and you were offered City with pots of cash, or Burnley, where would you go?
Throughout football over the last 30 odd years there has always been teams with more money to spend than the others. Everton in the dim and distant past, Blackburn, United, Chelsea and now City. At some point the golden eggs will stop being laid and another team will have more money to spend than City, and City won't be packed full of superstar players.
stuartmmcfc said:
franki68 said:
stuartmmcfc said:
You don’t think Pep is a football genius?
he's brilliant but he has inherited great teams ,goes to the richest team in their respective leagues and as such it's hard to quantify his excellence.Could he have done what fergy did at united or klopp has done at liverpool ? Who knows but he certainly has avoided those type of challenges. He’s also managed to keep a lot of players happy (not all obviously) despite not necessarily being first choice.
If I owned a Ferrari then I’d employ the best mechanic with the best reputation and I think that’s what City’s owners have done IMO.
His handling of Foden alone shows he’s on a higher footballing level tan me. Most would have sent him out on loan to be developed.
The mans not perfect. If he was or it was easy if you have the money, we’d have won the CL by now.
Edit to add: not 100% sure but I think I’m right only Sterling wasn’t a Pep signing from the starting 11 last night.? (I didn’t count Foden but Pep has obviously been instrumental in his development)
Not really an inherited team!
Edited by stuartmmcfc on Thursday 18th February 16:00
It's 10 years since Pep won the CL, and in that time he's managed 3 of the richest, most dominant clubs in world football. It will be the 5th attempt with City this year - I doubt that a bundle of League Cups were what Mansour was expecting when he hired him.
stuartmmcfc said:
franki68 said:
stuartmmcfc said:
You don’t think Pep is a football genius?
he's brilliant but he has inherited great teams ,goes to the richest team in their respective leagues and as such it's hard to quantify his excellence.Could he have done what fergy did at united or klopp has done at liverpool ? Who knows but he certainly has avoided those type of challenges. He’s also managed to keep a lot of players happy (not all obviously) despite not necessarily being first choice.
If I owned a Ferrari then I’d employ the best mechanic with the best reputation and I think that’s what City’s owners have done IMO.
His handling of Foden alone shows he’s on a higher footballing level tan me. Most would have sent him out on loan to be developed.
The mans not perfect. If he was or it was easy if you have the money, we’d have won the CL by now.
City Football Group is spread over 4 Continents. 11 football clubs, MCFC being just (#1) one of them. Sheik Mansour could have gone anywhere he wanted... he chose Manchester City. The rest is history in the making.
Leicester Loyal said:
Cie said:
This seems to be the big point always missed when discussing City, Chelsea, PSG. Liverpool winning it last year hurt more than any title City will ever win because Liverpool are a proper club and proper rivals.
Hahaha, of course they aren't 
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