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franki68 said:
...and if you don’t see an issue with the fact that it is virtually impossible long term to compete with a club with unlimited wealth...
I suppose it was OK when Liverpool, Utd and others joined in with the creation of rules to actively prevent investment into other clubs and therefore remove any chance of competing with them.
franki68 said:
bigpriest said:
I suppose it was OK when Liverpool, Utd and others joined in with the creation of rules to actively prevent investment into other clubs and therefore remove any chance of competing with them.
Look over there ..you see that point ? You keep missing it.
Thought you might of got used to it by now.
franki68 said:
Probably because the core of the success came from home grown players so it was never about just how much you can spend ,and if you don’t see an issue with the fact that it is virtually impossible long term to compete with a club with unlimited wealth (and one that breaks the rules to enable use of that wealth) then fine ,but look at the french league for where the premier league is heading .
Yes you might get someone to upset the applecart for a short period (Liverpool for example ) but those will be blips .
The tribal, short term selective memory, green eyed monster is strong in you.Yes you might get someone to upset the applecart for a short period (Liverpool for example ) but those will be blips .
I suggest have a cup of tea and try not to worry about it.
franki68 said:
Mariosbt said:
Tbh you were buying silva Aguero and kompany and we were buying bebe .
he’s very good mates with Aguero. I was at the match can’t recall all your team, I know Evans got sent off & Fletcher scored for you.Utd. Won the league the following year, so can’t of been too bad team a the time.
There's no doubt that Utd spent big. In fact they broke transfer records several times. But at least their purchases were always supplement by players they cultivated and improved themselves.
With City, only Foden has made it through to anywhere close to the first team in what, a decade? You've had several high profile youth prospects move away, even with Pep in charge, in order to continue their development because they didn't think they'd get it at City. Even with all the world class facilities there is on offer.
With City, only Foden has made it through to anywhere close to the first team in what, a decade? You've had several high profile youth prospects move away, even with Pep in charge, in order to continue their development because they didn't think they'd get it at City. Even with all the world class facilities there is on offer.
You have to remember City have effectively started from scratch. Youth players at this point aren’t always about 1st team development, there’s a financial element as well. As time goes on I can see more Academy players making the step up, there’s several on the cusp at the moment and have played in cup games.
Until very recently, top youth players wanted to go to the likes of Utd , a big London club or Liverpool etc because of the opportunities, the money on offer, the standard and their history. The facilities and opportunities are making City a top choice these days.
Also the games changed in the last decade. It’s not just City who want success now not later. Back in Fergie's day the majority of the team were English. It’s not uncommon for teams to start a match with a majority of foreign players these days.
In short, I really don’t think there’s any value in comparing what used to happen to what happens these days
Until very recently, top youth players wanted to go to the likes of Utd , a big London club or Liverpool etc because of the opportunities, the money on offer, the standard and their history. The facilities and opportunities are making City a top choice these days.
Also the games changed in the last decade. It’s not just City who want success now not later. Back in Fergie's day the majority of the team were English. It’s not uncommon for teams to start a match with a majority of foreign players these days.
In short, I really don’t think there’s any value in comparing what used to happen to what happens these days
jammy-git said:
There's no doubt that Utd spent big. In fact they broke transfer records several times. But at least their purchases were always supplement by players they cultivated and improved themselves.
With City, only Foden has made it through to anywhere close to the first team in what, a decade? You've had several high profile youth prospects move away, even with Pep in charge, in order to continue their development because they didn't think they'd get it at City. Even with all the world class facilities there is on offer.
I think you’ll find there’s a few in the youth who have had first team games. Don’t forget the under 23’s are top of PL2 also. With City, only Foden has made it through to anywhere close to the first team in what, a decade? You've had several high profile youth prospects move away, even with Pep in charge, in order to continue their development because they didn't think they'd get it at City. Even with all the world class facilities there is on offer.
Mariosbt said:
jammy-git said:
There's no doubt that Utd spent big. In fact they broke transfer records several times. But at least their purchases were always supplement by players they cultivated and improved themselves.
With City, only Foden has made it through to anywhere close to the first team in what, a decade? You've had several high profile youth prospects move away, even with Pep in charge, in order to continue their development because they didn't think they'd get it at City. Even with all the world class facilities there is on offer.
I think you’ll find there’s a few in the youth who have had first team games. Don’t forget the under 23’s are top of PL2 also. With City, only Foden has made it through to anywhere close to the first team in what, a decade? You've had several high profile youth prospects move away, even with Pep in charge, in order to continue their development because they didn't think they'd get it at City. Even with all the world class facilities there is on offer.
Liam Delap 6’ 1” 18yr old centre forward, top scorer in PL2 div1. City have 32 youth players developing out on loan inc. the likes of Jack Harrison at Leeds. City youth also have the youngest (av. age) squad. Players to watch apart from Delap, James McAtee being dubbed, the new ‘Phil Foden’ Cole Palmer, Harwood-Bellis, Tommy Doyle to name a few. Exciting prospects for the MCFC future. As with any team, the odd one won’t be happy and leave when the opportunity arises to play 1st team football elsewhere, the obvious one being Jadon Sancho. But I don’t think that’s panned out quite a rosy as expected. In fact the poor lad is now being linked with Utd. 
Mariosbt said:
Liam Delap 6’ 1” 18yr old centre forward, top scorer in PL2 div1. City have 32 youth players developing out on loan inc. the likes of Jack Harrison at Leeds. City youth also have the youngest (av. age) squad. Players to watch apart from Delap, James McAtee being dubbed, the new ‘Phil Foden’ Cole Palmer, Harwood-Bellis, Tommy Doyle to name a few. Exciting prospects for the MCFC future. As with any team, the odd one won’t be happy and leave when the opportunity arises to play 1st team football elsewhere, the obvious one being Jadon Sancho. But I don’t think that’s panned out quite a rosy as expected. In fact the poor lad is now being linked with Utd.
So city have invested hugely in the youth set up ,and well known for stealing the best talent and so far have produced one first teamer in the last ten years ?Mariosbt said:
Liam Delap 6’ 1” 18yr old centre forward, top scorer in PL2 div1. City have 32 youth players developing out on loan inc. the likes of Jack Harrison at Leeds. City youth also have the youngest (av. age) squad. Players to watch apart from Delap, James McAtee being dubbed, the new ‘Phil Foden’ Cole Palmer, Harwood-Bellis, Tommy Doyle to name a few. Exciting prospects for the MCFC future. As with any team, the odd one won’t be happy and leave when the opportunity arises to play 1st team football elsewhere, the obvious one being Jadon Sancho. But I don’t think that’s panned out quite a rosy as expected. In fact the poor lad is now being linked with Utd.
How many appearances have any of them had in the league?franki68 said:
Mariosbt said:
Liam Delap 6’ 1” 18yr old centre forward, top scorer in PL2 div1. City have 32 youth players developing out on loan inc. the likes of Jack Harrison at Leeds. City youth also have the youngest (av. age) squad. Players to watch apart from Delap, James McAtee being dubbed, the new ‘Phil Foden’ Cole Palmer, Harwood-Bellis, Tommy Doyle to name a few. Exciting prospects for the MCFC future. As with any team, the odd one won’t be happy and leave when the opportunity arises to play 1st team football elsewhere, the obvious one being Jadon Sancho. But I don’t think that’s panned out quite a rosy as expected. In fact the poor lad is now being linked with Utd.
So city have invested hugely in the youth set up ,and well known for stealing the best talent and so far have produced one first teamer in the last ten years ?Leicester Loyal said:
It's never gonna happen overnight though is it? Once the youth set up is sorted it's basically a fresh start and they go again from there, which will probably take 15 years. Revisit the question in 7 or 8 years and if they've still only produced one first teamer then I'll agree with you.
They have been at it 13 years ,what overnight are you talking about ? They invested hugely and stole all the best talents (buying the parents houses,sending the kids offspring to private schools etc ) ,and in 13 years they have produced 1 player.And btw with regards to my earlier posts about what will happen long term because of city and psg ,have a read of miguel delaneys article in todays Independent about the consequences of having city and psg run by states.Don't know about you but I see very healthy clubs going to the wall trying to keep up with something that is impossible to compete with and a european super league which will effectively be 2 teams .
But then again obviously it's just sour grapes and not a realistic concern.
franki68 said:
They have been at it 13 years ,what overnight are you talking about ? They invested hugely and stole all the best talents (buying the parents houses,sending the kids offspring to private schools etc ) ,and in 13 years they have produced 1 player.
And btw with regards to my earlier posts about what will happen long term because of city and psg ,have a read of miguel delaneys article in todays Independent about the consequences of having city and psg run by states.Don't know about you but I see very healthy clubs going to the wall trying to keep up with something that is impossible to compete with and a european super league which will effectively be 2 teams .
But then again obviously it's just sour grapes and not a realistic concern.
Yep sour grapes because the “attracting” of young talent is no different towhat Utd have done over many years. What do hope to achieve from your posts here? LL seems to have a sensible head while yours always seems ready to explode!And btw with regards to my earlier posts about what will happen long term because of city and psg ,have a read of miguel delaneys article in todays Independent about the consequences of having city and psg run by states.Don't know about you but I see very healthy clubs going to the wall trying to keep up with something that is impossible to compete with and a european super league which will effectively be 2 teams .
But then again obviously it's just sour grapes and not a realistic concern.
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