The Official Manchester City (World Club Champions)Thread

[Wombat3]

cliffe_mafia said:

The jiffle king said:

stuartmmcfc said:

I’m not going to turn my back on my club but I’m very disappointed in the situation the owners along with 5 “others” have got us all into.

Your club only care if you will sign a subscription to the new TV deal and if you will buy merchandise. You are a legacy fan and it will be up to you if you financially support your club or just continue to cheer the team on. If the latter, then you will not be relevant for your owner

It’s the American owners that are driving this for the money. Our owners are more about promoting Abu Dhabi than making cash. Chelsea too with Abramovich - he doesn’t seem that bothered about balancing the books. It feels more like us and Chelsea are going along with it for the prestige of playing at the top but obviously the mountains of cash will not be turned down.

That's a cop out if ever there was one. City & Chelsea could have taken the same view as Bayern or PSG & in fact if they had the whole SL thing would start to look quite thin. They made their decision for the same reasons as the others.

[NRS]

Wombat3 said:

cliffe_mafia said:

The jiffle king said:

stuartmmcfc said:

I’m not going to turn my back on my club but I’m very disappointed in the situation the owners along with 5 “others” have got us all into.

Your club only care if you will sign a subscription to the new TV deal and if you will buy merchandise. You are a legacy fan and it will be up to you if you financially support your club or just continue to cheer the team on. If the latter, then you will not be relevant for your owner

It’s the American owners that are driving this for the money. Our owners are more about promoting Abu Dhabi than making cash. Chelsea too with Abramovich - he doesn’t seem that bothered about balancing the books. It feels more like us and Chelsea are going along with it for the prestige of playing at the top but obviously the mountains of cash will not be turned down.

That's a cop out if ever there was one. City & Chelsea could have taken the same view as Bayern or PSG & in fact if they had the whole SL thing would start to look quite thin. They made their decision for the same reasons as the others.

Yeap - it's not just prestige, it's also about securing money outside Abu Dhabi if something goes wrong and the family get kicked out, and/or securing money outside oil to help the country in the future when oil is gone/much reduced.

[cliffe_mafia]

Wombat3 said:

cliffe_mafia said:

The jiffle king said:

stuartmmcfc said:

I’m not going to turn my back on my club but I’m very disappointed in the situation the owners along with 5 “others” have got us all into.

Your club only care if you will sign a subscription to the new TV deal and if you will buy merchandise. You are a legacy fan and it will be up to you if you financially support your club or just continue to cheer the team on. If the latter, then you will not be relevant for your owner

It’s the American owners that are driving this for the money. Our owners are more about promoting Abu Dhabi than making cash. Chelsea too with Abramovich - he doesn’t seem that bothered about balancing the books. It feels more like us and Chelsea are going along with it for the prestige of playing at the top but obviously the mountains of cash will not be turned down.

That's a cop out if ever there was one. City & Chelsea could have taken the same view as Bayern or PSG & in fact if they had the whole SL thing would start to look quite thin. They made their decision for the same reasons as the others.

Not a cop out at all, my point is that our owners long term plan has always been to win trophies to be successful first to make money second and they have been pretty good at it. The American owners and Perez don't want to have to compete - they want to get paid anyway. That's what FFP was about (once the clubs started dictating it) - making a closed shop.

Edited by cliffe_mafia on Tuesday 20th April 08:59

[anonymous-user]

NRS said:

Yeap - it's not just prestige, it's also about securing money outside Abu Dhabi if something goes wrong and the family get kicked out, and/or securing money outside oil to help the country in the future when oil is gone/much reduced.

Oil is on its way out. Thats why the Norwegians and Middle East have spent years investing in anything and everything outside of fossil fuels. Yes, football is high profile and helps bring those countries into some mainstream thinking, but they absolutely aren't about marketing spend. They invested in Man City to make money, not friends. Look at the value of the club now versus when they bought it. That's what's important to them.

[cliffe_mafia]

I was really looking forward to the rest of the season - particularly 2 legs against Neymar and Mbappe which doesn't look like it will happen now

You'd hope the players will be more furious about this ESL and missing out on the chance of silverware. I haven't heard anything yet from our lot and other teams (except from a 4 word tweet from Bruno Fernandez). Will be interesting what Pep has to say but suspect he'll be on board?

[Scrubs]

Pep Guardiola about the #SuperLeague: “Sport is not a sport when the success is guaranteed, and when the relation between the effort and reward don’t exist. It’s not a sport when it doesn’t matter if you lose. It's not fair if teams fight at the top and cannot qualify”.

[epom]

cliffe_mafia said:

The jiffle king said:

stuartmmcfc said:

I’m not going to turn my back on my club but I’m very disappointed in the situation the owners along with 5 “others” have got us all into.

Your club only care if you will sign a subscription to the new TV deal and if you will buy merchandise. You are a legacy fan and it will be up to you if you financially support your club or just continue to cheer the team on. If the latter, then you will not be relevant for your owner

It’s the American owners that are driving this for the money. Our owners are more about promoting Abu Dhabi than making cash. Chelsea too with Abramovich - he doesn’t seem that bothered about balancing the books. It feels more like us and Chelsea are going along with it for the prestige of playing at the top but obviously the mountains of cash will not be turned down.

snigger snigger what a load of c**k. I forgot how amazing things are in Abu Dhabi and how fairly it is run.

[stuartmmcfc]

Scrubs said:

Pep Guardiola about the #SuperLeague: “Sport is not a sport when the success is guaranteed, and when the relation between the effort and reward don’t exist. It’s not a sport when it doesn’t matter if you lose. It's not fair if teams fight at the top and cannot qualify”.

And he’s bang on.

[Adam.]

Scrubs said:

Pep Guardiola about the #SuperLeague: “Sport is not a sport when the success is guaranteed, and when the relation between the effort and reward don’t exist. It’s not a sport when it doesn’t matter if you lose. It's not fair if teams fight at the top and cannot qualify”.

[jammy-git]

Completely right!

[TEKNOPUG]

But it's OK to pump millions of quid into the club and break FPP rules, in order to put yourself at a huge advantage over other clubs, eh Pep?

I presume that is an example of what he meant by "relation between effort and reward"?

The hypocrisy is simply delicious.

[Leicester Loyal]

All this has done is highlight just how badly major reforms and changes are needed in football.

It's the match going fans I feel sorry for, I know there's a few Man City lads in here who have been going for years. I have a feeling the Man City board/owners will backtrack at some point, especially after the banners and flags that have gone up outside the Etihad earlier this morning.

[jammy-git]

TEKNOPUG said:

But it's OK to pump millions of quid into the club and break FPP rules, in order to put yourself at a huge advantage over other clubs, eh Pep?

I presume that is an example of what he meant by "relation between effort and reward"?

The hypocrisy is simply delicious.

So he's not allowed to answer a question or have an opinion just because he's at a club that has broken FFP rules several times?

[cliffe_mafia]

epom said:

cliffe_mafia said:

The jiffle king said:

stuartmmcfc said:

I’m not going to turn my back on my club but I’m very disappointed in the situation the owners along with 5 “others” have got us all into.

Your club only care if you will sign a subscription to the new TV deal and if you will buy merchandise. You are a legacy fan and it will be up to you if you financially support your club or just continue to cheer the team on. If the latter, then you will not be relevant for your owner

It’s the American owners that are driving this for the money. Our owners are more about promoting Abu Dhabi than making cash (from the club itself). Chelsea too with Abramovich - he doesn’t seem that bothered about balancing the books. It feels more like us and Chelsea are going along with it for the prestige of playing at the top but obviously the mountains of cash will not be turned down.

snigger snigger what a load of c**k. I forgot how amazing things are in Abu Dhabi and how fairly it is run.

My point was that as owners ours and Chelsea's have been a lot less greedy (putting more money in than they take out) than the rest of the six who leech out every penny they can. It's no surprise who the instigators are.

[cliffe_mafia]

Leicester Loyal said:

All this has done is highlight just how badly major reforms and changes are needed in football.

It's the match going fans I feel sorry for, I know there's a few Man City lads in here who have been going for years. I have a feeling the Man City board/owners will backtrack at some point, especially after the banners and flags that have gone up outside the Etihad earlier this morning.

That's what I don't get about the ESL - yes the clubs in it will be getting £300m extra or whatever a year but what's to stop PSG or City quadrupling the cost of players and Real and Barca still going skint trying to keep up.

[TEKNOPUG]

jammy-git said:

TEKNOPUG said:

But it's OK to pump millions of quid into the club and break FPP rules, in order to put yourself at a huge advantage over other clubs, eh Pep?

I presume that is an example of what he meant by "relation between effort and reward"?

The hypocrisy is simply delicious.

So he's not allowed to answer a question or have an opinion just because he's at a club that has broken FFP rules several times?

Where have I said he isn't allowed an opinion?

I've said his opinion makes him a hypocrite. I wouldn't say that if he hadn't offered an opinion...

[bigpriest]

cliffe_mafia said:

Leicester Loyal said:

All this has done is highlight just how badly major reforms and changes are needed in football.

It's the match going fans I feel sorry for, I know there's a few Man City lads in here who have been going for years. I have a feeling the Man City board/owners will backtrack at some point, especially after the banners and flags that have gone up outside the Etihad earlier this morning.

That's what I don't get about the ESL - yes the clubs in it will be getting £300m extra or whatever a year but what's to stop PSG or City quadrupling the cost of players and Real and Barca still going skint trying to keep up.

You can guarantee in the small print will be a few clauses that (a) reward teams for their past European record (b) limit the amount of money they can spend based on financial records between 1992 and 2007 and (c) pay a bonus for teams with red in their kits.

[TEKNOPUG]

bigpriest said:

cliffe_mafia said:

Leicester Loyal said:

All this has done is highlight just how badly major reforms and changes are needed in football.

It's the match going fans I feel sorry for, I know there's a few Man City lads in here who have been going for years. I have a feeling the Man City board/owners will backtrack at some point, especially after the banners and flags that have gone up outside the Etihad earlier this morning.

That's what I don't get about the ESL - yes the clubs in it will be getting £300m extra or whatever a year but what's to stop PSG or City quadrupling the cost of players and Real and Barca still going skint trying to keep up.

You can guarantee in the small print will be a few clauses that (a) reward teams for their past European record (b) limit the amount of money they can spend based on financial records between 1992 and 2007 and (c) pay a bonus for teams with red in their kits.

Enforced FFP and some fangled salary cap. No wonder they are less enthusiastic now.

[unident]

bigpriest said:

cliffe_mafia said:

Leicester Loyal said:

All this has done is highlight just how badly major reforms and changes are needed in football.

It's the match going fans I feel sorry for, I know there's a few Man City lads in here who have been going for years. I have a feeling the Man City board/owners will backtrack at some point, especially after the banners and flags that have gone up outside the Etihad earlier this morning.

That's what I don't get about the ESL - yes the clubs in it will be getting £300m extra or whatever a year but what's to stop PSG or City quadrupling the cost of players and Real and Barca still going skint trying to keep up.

You can guarantee in the small print will be a few clauses that (a) reward teams for their past European record (b) limit the amount of money they can spend based on financial records between 1992 and 2007 and (c) pay a bonus for teams with red in their kits.

PSG haven’t signed up to this. They can really bugger it up if they want to.

[jammy-git]

TEKNOPUG said:

bigpriest said:

cliffe_mafia said:

Leicester Loyal said:

All this has done is highlight just how badly major reforms and changes are needed in football.

It's the match going fans I feel sorry for, I know there's a few Man City lads in here who have been going for years. I have a feeling the Man City board/owners will backtrack at some point, especially after the banners and flags that have gone up outside the Etihad earlier this morning.

That's what I don't get about the ESL - yes the clubs in it will be getting £300m extra or whatever a year but what's to stop PSG or City quadrupling the cost of players and Real and Barca still going skint trying to keep up.

You can guarantee in the small print will be a few clauses that (a) reward teams for their past European record (b) limit the amount of money they can spend based on financial records between 1992 and 2007 and (c) pay a bonus for teams with red in their kits.

Enforced FFP and some fangled salary cap. No wonder they are less enthusiastic now.

https://www.ft.com/content/e80299a4-8012-447a-8512...

• The 15 “founding clubs” of the Super League would share 32.5 per cent of these commercial revenues
• A further 32.5 per cent would be distributed between all 20 participating teams, including the five sides invited to play in the competition each year
• Twenty per cent of revenues would be allocated on “merit” or be dependent on performance in the competition
• The final 15 per cent would be shared based on broadcast audience size
• The competition winner would receive just 1.5 times more than the bottom side. By comparison, that ratio in Spain’s La Liga is closer to 3.5 times
• Clubs will be also allowed to retain all revenues from gate receipts and club sponsorship deals
• Super League clubs have committed to using only 55 per cent of their revenues on “sport spending”, such as player salaries, transfer and agent fees, according to people familiar with the terms
• Super League clubs have also signed up to a “tax equalisation” clause so that “income tax on salaries shall be normalised and calculated at a rate of 45 per cent”, according to people with direct knowledge of the contracts.