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m3sye said:
I am not sure how we play now has room for a Phil type player tbh - we were much easier to get at when he was in the team.
Naby is the most creative player we have on the ball he just needs to stay bloody fit
Naby looks like he could be that player, running at people, 1-2s, creating panic but:Naby is the most creative player we have on the ball he just needs to stay bloody fit
a) he hasn't shown it enough - I hope due to injury rather than being over-rated
b) he doesn't have the level of skill and close control PC had, or his shooting accuracy/dead ball ability
Still hoping he comes good though
TheHat said:
I don't think there is room either. Which is entirely my point.
There would be room if we went back to being more open. Which were before and we won nothing.
I think the main target this year will be another player to join the front 3 - whether than be Werner or Sancho I am not sure... just pleasing to see the level orf names were linked with. There would be room if we went back to being more open. Which were before and we won nothing.
I will add I think we will see more of Jones next year with Lallana going.
Edited by m3sye on Thursday 20th February 15:34
NRS said:
Basically he is a good manager, but a proper "management talk" sort of guy - both in the way he talks, and looking good to others. It's to be expected that he would talk himself up in that season, as he would have been trying to keep himself in a job when things were not looking great. The lying about money is not acceptable though.
However, it's a bit of both to blame most likely. Having a manager but not letting them do their own signings is a bit silly in the long term. How can you build a team/style that you want if you are getting told who to buy/play? Some of them were right, some were wrong, but overall you're going to have big issues if you have a disconnect between those buying players and the person who picks them each week/chooses the tactics. As it is now we don't know if Klopp is working with the transfer committee, or has the committee taken a step back and just recommends people rather than "forcing" the club to buy them no matter what the manager says. It'll be interesting to hear about in future years.
Agree on all thisHowever, it's a bit of both to blame most likely. Having a manager but not letting them do their own signings is a bit silly in the long term. How can you build a team/style that you want if you are getting told who to buy/play? Some of them were right, some were wrong, but overall you're going to have big issues if you have a disconnect between those buying players and the person who picks them each week/chooses the tactics. As it is now we don't know if Klopp is working with the transfer committee, or has the committee taken a step back and just recommends people rather than "forcing" the club to buy them no matter what the manager says. It'll be interesting to hear about in future years.
The way he set us (and Leicester) up to play was/is great to watch but I was never 100% sure of his tactical nous, and when interviewed it seemed like he had once read "a bluffers guide to football management" and lucked out
TheHat said:
m3sye said:
I am not sure how we play now has room for a Phil type player tbh - we were much easier to get at when he was in the team.
Naby is the most creative player we have on the ball he just needs to stay bloody fit
I don't think there is room either. Which is entirely my point. Naby is the most creative player we have on the ball he just needs to stay bloody fit
There would be room if we went back to being more open. Which were before and we won nothing.
No permanent room, but there would be against the real defensive teams... Where someone of his ability would work between the lines, and have the long shooting ability we don’t really have in our midfield.
Issue is no one of Phil’s ability level is going to be a part time player. Shaq could have done that, but he’s either been injured or not really good enough when he has played.
Adam B said:
Agree on all this
The way he set us (and Leicester) up to play was/is great to watch but I was never 100% sure of his tactical nous, and when interviewed it seemed like he had once read "a bluffers guide to football management" and lucked out
He's done too well at different places to not be a good manager (almost getting us the league, of course he'd win at Celtic but he did it in a far better way than many have done after Rangers, now with Leicester). The question is if he can buy the right players for staying somewhere long term - it's one of the possible areas he is not good at, but hard to tell in regards to us not knowing the real info on transfer committee versus Brenda.The way he set us (and Leicester) up to play was/is great to watch but I was never 100% sure of his tactical nous, and when interviewed it seemed like he had once read "a bluffers guide to football management" and lucked out
TheHat said:
m3sye said:
I'm not saying you are just giving my opinion as you give yours
If Keita had been fit longer this season he and Ox are our players who create, Ox is more a long out shooter, Keita more a give and go creating space,
He started the season very well this year its shame injuries have held him back this year
Neither of those would create in the same way as PC - they are more direct. If Keita had been fit longer this season he and Ox are our players who create, Ox is more a long out shooter, Keita more a give and go creating space,
He started the season very well this year its shame injuries have held him back this year
PC could run round a packed defence. The others mentioned don't do that.
As stated by a few Phil had the ability to really get past players outside a crowded box and then get a stunning shot off, which is one of the few ways we'll get past a packed well organised defence, like we faced the other day. Keita while good in his own way is nothing like that - he seems to be good getting past players when there is space, but struggles a lot more when there is nowhere to go. And no one has the long range shooting of Phil. Ox is probably closest of any of the midfielders. IMO if we had Phil he'd be used in rotation for teams that will let us have the ball and defend in large numbers.
NRS said:
Since you're new around here you'll need to learn ex-players are a bit useless, but current players are the perfect fit for the team!
As stated by a few Phil had the ability to really get past players outside a crowded box and then get a stunning shot off, which is one of the few ways we'll get past a packed well organised defence, like we faced the other day. Keita while good in his own way is nothing like that - he seems to be good getting past players when there is space, but struggles a lot more when there is nowhere to go. And no one has the long range shooting of Phil. Ox is probably closest of any of the midfielders. IMO if we had Phil he'd be used in rotation for teams that will let us have the ball and defend in large numbers.
Where did I say Phil was useless?As stated by a few Phil had the ability to really get past players outside a crowded box and then get a stunning shot off, which is one of the few ways we'll get past a packed well organised defence, like we faced the other day. Keita while good in his own way is nothing like that - he seems to be good getting past players when there is space, but struggles a lot more when there is nowhere to go. And no one has the long range shooting of Phil. Ox is probably closest of any of the midfielders. IMO if we had Phil he'd be used in rotation for teams that will let us have the ball and defend in large numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQkhqBlsIGw
I doubt there are many players who could score some of those in training, unopposed.
I doubt there are many players who could score some of those in training, unopposed.
ferrisbueller said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQkhqBlsIGw
I doubt there are many players who could score some of those in training, unopposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdpJAtzJLHgI doubt there are many players who could score some of those in training, unopposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_BJSr1ZHXo
Edited by pinchmeimdreamin on Thursday 20th February 18:49
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Much better, players who don't fake injury to get out of our club 
pinchmeimdreamin said:
We won ball all that season.But it was f
king exciting wasn't it? Even that 2 -2 against Spurs.
ferrisbueller said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQkhqBlsIGw
I doubt there are many players who could score some of those in training, unopposed.
I doubt there are many players who could score some of those in training, unopposed.
Loved watching Phil play.
Mixed emotions now... much as I loved him, his sale probably facilitated us being where we are today.
I’m sure he has plenty of regrets about his choices.
m3sye said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Much better, players who don't fake injury to get out of our club Chris Stott said:
Loved watching Phil play.
Mixed emotions now... much as I loved him, his sale probably facilitated us being where we are today.
I’m sure he has plenty of regrets about his choices.
He was superb for us.
Sour taste at the end but we can have no complaints given what VvD did.
He's the one player we have sold recently that would add something to this team. But given what we did with the dough we are much better without him.
ferrisbueller said:
Just pop a link up of 10 of Naby's, would you please?
Very strange You make a habit of calling me up about player who has played well for us but been hit by loads of injuries..
I have no doubt your knowledge of footballers is obviously greater than that of the best recruitment team we have had in years
and that of Edwards and Klopp who scouted him for years, paid 50m for him and still Continuly pick him for our 1st team..
m3sye said:
ferrisbueller said:
Just pop a link up of 10 of Naby's, would you please?
Very strange You make a habit of calling me up about player who has played well for us but been hit by loads of injuries..
I have no doubt your knowledge of footballers is obviously greater than that of the best recruitment team we have had in years
and that of Edwards and Klopp who scouted him for years, paid 50m for him and still Continuly pick him for our 1st team..
m3sye said:
Very strange
You make a habit of calling me up about player who has played well for us but been hit by loads of injuries..
I have no doubt your knowledge of footballers is obviously greater than that of the best recruitment team we have had in years
and that of Edwards and Klopp who scouted him for years, paid 50m for him and still Continuly pick him for our 1st team..
He's not in our go to first XI.You make a habit of calling me up about player who has played well for us but been hit by loads of injuries..
I have no doubt your knowledge of footballers is obviously greater than that of the best recruitment team we have had in years
and that of Edwards and Klopp who scouted him for years, paid 50m for him and still Continuly pick him for our 1st team..
Regularly kept out of the side by Horrendouson and a Newcastle reject. That's what Klopp thinks of his most expensive midfielder.
And sye, you dont have to take everything so personally.
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