The Official Everton thread - Vol 2
Discussion
johnboy1975 said:
https://twitter.com/GiuliaBould/status/17773397531...
Richard Masters has it in for us.
Not exactly breaking news
That's purely in relation to the club's cooperation with the enquiry, not a general comment. said:
In the summary (point 256) the IC ruled "many if not most of the criticisms levelled against the Club (#EFC) by the Premier League are unwarranted, overstated, or both
Richard Masters has it in for us. Not exactly breaking news
TEKNOPUG said:
johnboy1975 said:
https://twitter.com/GiuliaBould/status/17773397531...
Richard Masters has it in for us.
Not exactly breaking news
That's purely in relation to the club's cooperation with the enquiry, not a general comment. said:
In the summary (point 256) the IC ruled "many if not most of the criticisms levelled against the Club (#EFC) by the Premier League are unwarranted, overstated, or both
Richard Masters has it in for us. Not exactly breaking news
Now it appears we have been helpful throughout. So it is a big deal. Do we not get 2 off the first sanction for "being helpful"?
No, we get a potential 3rd sanction instead 
I think that the main issue is that they are making it up as they go along. There are no set punishments linked to offences; every charge is decided as if it's unique and then appealed. Points deductions only effect certain clubs at certain times. If for example, Chelsea got a 20 point deduction, it wouldn't really effect them as they are not going to get relegated or miss out on CL. For the bottom 10 current clubs, it would almost certainly result in relegation. That's why the clubs are mooting having financial penalties or salary/spend caps in future seasons. The problem though with having known punishments is that clubs can game the system. It might be a £50m fine for going £50m over the limit, but if it means you get CL qualification, you'll still be quids in.
The question is whether the punishments are supposed to be a deterrent to clubs breaking the rules or merely a financial tax?
The question is whether the punishments are supposed to be a deterrent to clubs breaking the rules or merely a financial tax?
TEKNOPUG said:
I think that the main issue is that they are making it up as they go along. There are no set punishments linked to offences; every charge is decided as if it's unique and then appealed. Points deductions only effect certain clubs at certain times. If for example, Chelsea got a 20 point deduction, it wouldn't really effect them as they are not going to get relegated or miss out on CL. For the bottom 10 current clubs, it would almost certainly result in relegation. That's why the clubs are mooting having financial penalties or salary/spend caps in future seasons. The problem though with having known punishments is that clubs can game the system. It might be a £50m fine for going £50m over the limit, but if it means you get CL qualification, you'll still be quids in.
The question is whether the punishments are supposed to be a deterrent to clubs breaking the rules or merely a financial tax?
Well, 20 points would put Chelsea 1 points below Luton The question is whether the punishments are supposed to be a deterrent to clubs breaking the rules or merely a financial tax?
But I generally agree. I've no issue with the concept of points being 1 particular punishment available, based on mitigations etc not being successful. (Well, in the case of big spenders, transfer embargoes would serve better, possibly? No good (to us) in our unique set of circumstances as we haven't got a bloody squad and might need to do a "Forest" in the summer, depending whose off when their contract is up.)
Only trouble is, I think Forest and Everton make good cases, and have just been ignored, and points deductions issued anyway, without exploring any of the other options. But if you want flexibility, then I guess you have clubs claiming one punishment is harsher or more lenient than another.
This year is somewhat unique in that the 3 clubs who came up are substantially below standard, although having said that I guess Luton could get to 35 points, which was the benchmark last year.
I mused earlier that perhaps it curtails spending by newly promoted teams the most (as they have a lower limit, and come up with the smallest and cheapest squads), and thus the 14 non big 6 clubs see this as a way to perpetually avoid relegation. As such it suits everyone to a point, big 6 also happy cos Newcastle or Villa can't spend enough to break into the top 6 on a regular basis.
Oh, and 50m would bankrupt us
As well as ensuring we fail for the next 3 seasons (Tldr; it's complicated, and in one way I don't envy the PL they are damned if they do and damned if they don't)
Dele is a studio guest for Sky for tonights match. Which means he won't be able to reach the 20 game marker to trigger a £10m payment to Spurs even if he plays all other remaining fixtures this season.
I'm hoping for a draw tonight as well. I think DCL is out injured as well so Beto to start up top?
I'm hoping for a draw tonight as well. I think DCL is out injured as well so Beto to start up top?
hilly10 said:
Not expecting a lot tonight a draw would be a bonus. A 0-0 is the best we can hope for because we won’t score
They've concerned 2 in each of their last 7 games I think? Including vs Sheffield and Burnley.No idea who our goal scores will be though. Branthwaite header from a corner and Beto (possibly, and at this stage any fecker will do
. 2-2 for me (heart) - Just hope we don't get gubbed (head)
Dele was interesting, thought he was "nearly fit" last July when he did his big interview? Good to hear he's "nearly fit"
Pocketed 5m in wages since and not seen the pitch. Assuming a lot but I assume he passed a medical prior to signing, and has just been unlucky?
Fast Bug said:
Dele is a studio guest for Sky for tonights match. Which means he won't be able to reach the 20 game marker to trigger a £10m payment to Spurs even if he plays all other remaining fixtures this season.
Made me angry that. Completely tone deaf. £100k a week by the way and £5m+ in wages. I would argue he is one of the worst signings in our history. That and Sandro on a 4 year £120k a week deal.
fourstardan said:
Ruskie said:
Made me angry that. Completely tone deaf.
I think he's blind as well...first thing at Half Time he said to introduce his excellent new job as a pundit was "I don't think this game is really 4-0 based on this scoreline" bless him. 2-1 or 3-1 would have been more palatable / reflective.
But we can't score for, erm, Toffee. Both sides have the ability to capitulate, in a fantasy world we grabbed the lead and went on to dominate, signalling the end of Poch (
) Making the game so open was probably our big mistake, unless we were trying to close the game down, but just weren't very good at it, which is always a distinct optionI think the xg at 90 minutes was something like 3.5 - 1.5. So 6-0 definitely flattened them but we were abysmal bar the opening few minutes. Sums up how bad we are that I'm clinging to a mere 2 goal xg defeat
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