The Official Everton thread - Vol 2

[johnboy1975]

Does non match day profit go towards FFP? Doesn't seem fair really, like Chelsea flogging a hotel instead of a player to comply. But, it is what is is, and we might as well take advantage of the rules, rather than be fked over by them

Talk of us part selling BMS. Presumably we'd take a lower cut of other events? (And match day revenue?)

Is it set in stone that we don't move til August 2025? Extra revenue after Christmas next season would come in handy. Stadium still due to complete late autumn as far as I'm aware

[Fast Bug]

Yup it's all income for the club so counts. The price of football had a good section on it in one of their recent podcasts. I think it's Pink doing some gigs at the Bolton stadium and they said there's a fee to the artist to host and the clubs negotiate profit share on merch and food/drink. Spurs up the price of food and drink for the NFL games due to profit sharing.

Also BMD whilst only having a fairly small upliftt in capacity of 13k or so, will have more and better corporate facilities which brings more money in as well

[Blue62]

johnboy1975 said:

I'm on the fence with Dyche. He seems to have turned a corner and ordinarily I'd have no issue with him next season. 41 points "on the grass" with 4 games to go....

Apologies for snipping, but we’ve had 11 wins this season, equal to Brighton whose manager is being linked to top jobs.

Dyche and Everton have faced unprecedented challenges and I really don’t know how he’s managed to get us to this point, but it will be a massive achievement if he pulls it off. I think we have finally dropped on a manager with integrity, intelligence and grit, just what we need after so many false dawns. We need a reality check and a smart pragmatist to start the process of recovery, I honestly can’t think of a better man for the job, so let’s back him.

[johnboy1975]

Blue62 said:

johnboy1975 said:

I'm on the fence with Dyche. He seems to have turned a corner and ordinarily I'd have no issue with him next season. 41 points "on the grass" with 4 games to go....

Apologies for snipping, but we’ve had 11 wins this season, equal to Brighton whose manager is being linked to top jobs.

Dyche and Everton have faced unprecedented challenges and I really don’t know how he’s managed to get us to this point, but it will be a massive achievement if he pulls it off. I think we have finally dropped on a manager with integrity, intelligence and grit, just what we need after so many false dawns. We need a reality check and a smart pragmatist to start the process of recovery, I honestly can’t think of a better man for the job, so let’s back him.

We've definitely got to get away from sacking managers every season or so. Think I saw a stat saying Dyche has managed about 60 games, and that Lampard and possibly Rafa did almost exactly the same.

In theory the DoF should be working seamlessly with the manager to ensure we've got the correct players and correct pathways for the youth and development players like Chermiti. And should that manager depart for whatever reason, the new one can slot right in. Very rarely works like that mind, especially here.

Have the last 3 home games swayed you into Dyche staying? (I was definitely leaning towards his time was up) 9 pts from those 3, but:-

Burnley we were lucky, ball took a ricochet off Dom and could have gone anywhere...ended up in the back of the net. Make your own luck though I guess, good pressing and perhaps picking up on a known Burnley "glitch"

Forest had chances, (arguably) some dodgy decisions (just the 3rd pen for me, although we've had iterations of the other 2 given against us this season). And our two goals both had an xg of about 0.04.

Even Liverpool had chances. Smashed the underside of the bar. Branthwaite was level (miles off in the build up), seen those given. Did you hear the chants whilst waiting for VAR...didn't hear them on Sky footage but the fan cams are loud and clear: "Corrupt as fk - Premier League" Those have been ruled out (including a couple in our favour)

(Oh and the keeper got a big hand to Dom's pen Vs Newcastle...we could very easily have lost that game)

And yes we've had rank bad luck, bad decisions, keepers having worldies, missed chances etc - and so perhaps, nay definitely, we deserve these 9 points. And you're right, we do need to get behind him. Which is a lot easier now he's nabbed those 9 points. It's a results business after all...

[Blue62]

johnboy1975 said:

We've definitely got to get away from sacking managers every season or so. Think I saw a stat saying Dyche has managed about 60 games, and that Lampard and possibly Rafa did almost exactly the same.

In theory the DoF should be working seamlessly with the manager to ensure we've got the correct players and correct pathways for the youth and development players like Chermiti. And should that manager depart for whatever reason, the new one can slot right in. Very rarely works like that mind, especially here.

Have the last 3 home games swayed you into Dyche staying? (I was definitely leaning towards his time was up) 9 pts from those 3, but:-

Burnley we were lucky, ball took a ricochet off Dom and could have gone anywhere...ended up in the back of the net. Make your own luck though I guess, good pressing and perhaps picking up on a known Burnley "glitch"

Forest had chances, (arguably) some dodgy decisions (just the 3rd pen for me, although we've had iterations of the other 2 given against us this season). And our two goals both had an xg of about 0.04.

Even Liverpool had chances. Smashed the underside of the bar. Branthwaite was level (miles off in the build up), seen those given. Did you hear the chants whilst waiting for VAR...didn't hear them on Sky footage but the fan cams are loud and clear: "Corrupt as fk - Premier League" Those have been ruled out (including a couple in our favour)

(Oh and the keeper got a big hand to Dom's pen Vs Newcastle...we could very easily have lost that game)

And yes we've had rank bad luck, bad decisions, keepers having worldies, missed chances etc - and so perhaps, nay definitely, we deserve these 9 points. And you're right, we do need to get behind him. Which is a lot easier now he's nabbed those 9 points. It's a results business after all...

It’s not the last few games, we are a basket case and I think most managers would’ve resigned themselves to relegation after the points deductions and farcical handling of the whole silly saga this season. Top flight management is obviously high risk and high stress at the best of times, but this season has been on another level, I think he’s been exceptional and has proved his mettle. There’s always an element of luck involved, if he’s a lucky manager then so much the better, but it evens out.

In other news it looks as though we will be forced to sell our better players to avoid further deductions, PSR clearly doing what it was designed for, the game is a joke.

[Fast Bug]

Without the points deductions we'd be 13th, and after the last god knows how many years, most Evertonians would gladly welcome a few years of 13th place finishes. The previous managers have looked broken and given up at this stage of the season, and that's without having any deductions at all. We need some stability and a manager that's up for the challenge, Dyche seems to be that man.

We may not play free flowing football that's easy on the eye, but we've played some half decent football from time to time. Yes we got lucky against Burnley, but sometimes you need a bit of luck. City battered Real Madrid the other week and lost, was Don Carlo lucky? Who cares, they got the result they needed and that's all that matters. And lets not forget, we've had some big calls not go our way and have been unlucky in many games.

If we can get away with selling Onana and keeping Branthwaite this summer I'll be a happy man

[hilly10]

You are dead right Blue I think we have to stick with SD for next season He has done wonders this last few weeks Chelsea apart. It’s going take a fair few years to get on an even keel much of that will depend on who takes over in the board room. It’s nice to feel safe with four games to go, no way will Luton win more a couple of games, in all fairness win tomorrow we are on the beach deffo

[johnboy1975]

Branthwaite was an inch offside it seems, but that is within the allowed tolerance (5cm / 2 inches). Didn't realise there was a tolerance, or rather, assumed there must be but never seen it referenced, or can recall a "1 inch offside" goal being given

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1783226...

If that had been ruled out

[johnboy1975]

Anyhoo...4 wins from 4 at home, 9 points in a week, and get on the beach a few games earlier than usual? It's all set up swimmingly. What could possibly go wrong?

9 hours of football for me, triple bill of RS, Everton and Ipswich interspersed with whatever iteration of the vidi printer Sky sports news are showing between 3-5. Luton could be down before we kick a ball (I think?)

Home form is actually ok I think, we've only lost to West Ham this (calender) year, and we battered them. Even Moyes said they didn't deserve to win. Going back further, we battered Fulham, Luton , Wolves and played well against Utd (but lost all those).

Are Everton fans even allowed to be confident?

[Fast Bug]

I hope we keep the pedal to the floor for all the remaining games. If we can sneak an extra league position or 2 it's much needed additional revenue for the club

[Fast Bug]

And we're safe! We'd be sat in 13th now without the points deductions, which I think everyone would take c9nsideribg the finance restrictions were facing

[Blue62]

Fast Bug said:

And we're safe! We'd be sat in 13th now without the points deductions, which I think everyone would take c9nsideribg the finance restrictions were facing

What an awful season. Don’t know what to think but we are solid though expect some departures now. Keep the faith, no choice.

[hilly10]

Won ugly but I ain’t bothered one bit. We can enjoy the last three games. Well done SD well done the players and all the back room staff.

[Radec]

Congrats on staying up you guys, even with the points deduction penalty.
You've been very decent recently.

[alfa phil]

Don't know what all the panic was about.

[alfa phil]

And nine points in less than a week , unheard of. Without conceding. Bloody marvellous.

[Blue62]

As much as I have a growing dislike of football (take your pick from City and Chelsea breaking FFP rules or the ridiculous fines handed out to the breakaway clubs), I still get drawn in. We are the the team that has spent more seasons than any other in the top flight, pretty remarkable and the fact that this season we’ve done it with games to spare is even more remarkable.

[hilly10]

Blue62 said:

As much as I have a growing dislike of football (take your pick from City and Chelsea breaking FFP rules or the ridiculous fines handed out to the breakaway clubs), I still get drawn in. We are the the team that has spent more seasons than any other in the top flight, pretty remarkable and the fact that this season we’ve done it with games to spare is even more remarkable.

Their time will come blue , hopefully

[megenzo]

Well what a week to be a blue, gutted I couldn't make the derby on weds, was last the other two tho and three wins in a week. 3 clean sheets, safe with games to go. The PL can stick their points deductions up their asre.

Dyche has done a terrific job, even without the points deductions I'd have been quite happy to have staved off relegation with 3 games to go. We need a clearcut of the big earners who hardly play, get some yoof in and trust them. Got to hang on to Branthwaite to help keep a tight defence next season and hopefully DCL will be fit and in better goalscoring for,.

Oh and we beat the RS, hardly touching the ball

UTFT

[Blue62]

hilly10 said:

Their time will come blue , hopefully

I’m not convinced Hilly the game is skewed, just look at the fines handed out to the clubs looking to break away when compared to those allegedly in breach of PSR rules.

Dyche’s post match comments are sobering, situation far worse than as described, fighting on and off the pitch and of course the point deductions. I think he’s committed to us but it would be a concern if he walked, it’s possible especially if we have to sell and if he’s being courted.