The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 13]

[Fittster]

martinbiz said:

Fittster said:

You want me to list players whose performance has deteriorated as they age? Think my list will be a lot longer.

Look at Arsenil, paying big money to older players isn't smart. Aubameyang on 250K at 31 is madness.

Yep Totally agree, that Aubameyang is a 2 bob player, does absolutely nothing does he?

Will he be able to continue to perform at his current level as he hits his mid 30s? Aresnil will be paying the same wages even if his level of scoring falls off.

He's not off to a good start this season.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/23/p...

I'll wager whatever he does this season we be better than he achieves the following season.

[48k]

Fittster said:

How do you know a 31 year old will continue to score as the same rate he did in his 20s? The stats say that won't happen.

I'd rather sell him for a good profit once we've had his peak years (which will be soon).

https://statsbomb.com/2016/07/player-aging-attacki...

That data is 4 years old. Would be interesting to see some current data if you have it.

[48k]

"You used to be good " more like

[mickk]

Wtf is happening there?

[48k]

Match day.



A good opportunity to slingshot up the table after the other results this weekend.

And it's only Burnley, who haven't won a game all season.

I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

[Fittster]

Fittster said:

martinbiz said:

Fittster said:

You want me to list players whose performance has deteriorated as they age? Think my list will be a lot longer.

Look at Arsenil, paying big money to older players isn't smart. Aubameyang on 250K at 31 is madness.

Yep Totally agree, that Aubameyang is a 2 bob player, does absolutely nothing does he?

Will he be able to continue to perform at his current level as he hits his mid 30s? Aresnil will be paying the same wages even if his level of scoring falls off.

He's not off to a good start this season.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/23/p...

I'll wager whatever he does this season we be better than he achieves the following season.

Old player gets expensive new contract:

"5 - Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang has gone five league matches without a goal for the first time since November 2014, while playing for Borussia Dortmund. His Expected Goals total of 0.43 ranks only 77th in the Premier League this campaign. Struggles."


When players reaches 30 thirty take them round the back of the stadium and put them out of their misery.

Edited by Fittster on Monday 26th October 13:37

[TEKNOPUG]

Top 5 scorers in Europe last season, all over 30....

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/025a...

[Fittster]

TEKNOPUG said:

Top 5 scorers in Europe last season, all over 30....

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/025a...

Of those,Timo Werner is 24, of the remaining 4, two were scoring a lot more goals in their 20s than they were last season (even Messi and Ronaldo decline from their own high standards).

When you look at the Champions league goal scoring stats, where the competition is harder you see far less impact from older payers.

Once a player gets to their early 30s their performance drops, if they are elite such as Messi and Ronaldo it's probably worth holding on to them but with reduced wages as they aren't contributing what they once did to the team. For most players its time to take a step down the leagues (and wages structures).

[Yidwann]

I am not sure I am hearing this right.... Son, who is on fire, and has been on fire for seasons, we shouldn't be offering an new contract because he's 28? Right oh!

Take some optimism pills Fittster!

[Fittster]

Yidwann said:

I am not sure I am hearing this right.... Son, who is on fire, and has been on fire for seasons, we shouldn't be offering an new contract because he's 28? Right oh!

Take some optimism pills Fittster!

Son has an existing contract until 2023 at which point he will be 31. After that point will he still be firing at the level he is this season? I don't think he will be. Basing future contracts based on how a player is performing today seems unwise.

[300sl-24]

I think Sonny's clean living, alongside his diet will bring longevity. They should sign him again in my view besides, you will miss that smile when he's gone!

[48k]

Fittster said:

Yidwann said:

I am not sure I am hearing this right.... Son, who is on fire, and has been on fire for seasons, we shouldn't be offering an new contract because he's 28? Right oh!

Take some optimism pills Fittster!

Son has an existing contract until 2023 at which point he will be 31. After that point will he still be firing at the level he is this season? I don't think he will be. Basing future contracts based on how a player is performing today seems unwise.

...and if he's not on a contract beyond 2023 he will leave on a free. It would be madness *not* to be starting to sort out a new contract now.

[Fittster]

48k said:

Fittster said:

Yidwann said:

I am not sure I am hearing this right.... Son, who is on fire, and has been on fire for seasons, we shouldn't be offering an new contract because he's 28? Right oh!

Take some optimism pills Fittster!

Son has an existing contract until 2023 at which point he will be 31. After that point will he still be firing at the level he is this season? I don't think he will be. Basing future contracts based on how a player is performing today seems unwise.

...and if he's not on a contract beyond 2023 he will leave on a free. It would be madness *not* to be starting to sort out a new contract now.

Or look to sell for a high fee during the next couple of seasons.

[48k]

Fittster said:

48k said:

Fittster said:

Yidwann said:

I am not sure I am hearing this right.... Son, who is on fire, and has been on fire for seasons, we shouldn't be offering an new contract because he's 28? Right oh!

Take some optimism pills Fittster!

Son has an existing contract until 2023 at which point he will be 31. After that point will he still be firing at the level he is this season? I don't think he will be. Basing future contracts based on how a player is performing today seems unwise.

...and if he's not on a contract beyond 2023 he will leave on a free. It would be madness *not* to be starting to sort out a new contract now.

Or look to sell for a high fee during the next couple of seasons.

Are you genuinely a Spurs fan? You just seem to parachute in here from time to time and troll with idiotic posts like that one.

[Fittster]

48k said:

Fittster said:

48k said:

Fittster said:

Yidwann said:

I am not sure I am hearing this right.... Son, who is on fire, and has been on fire for seasons, we shouldn't be offering an new contract because he's 28? Right oh!

Take some optimism pills Fittster!

Son has an existing contract until 2023 at which point he will be 31. After that point will he still be firing at the level he is this season? I don't think he will be. Basing future contracts based on how a player is performing today seems unwise.

...and if he's not on a contract beyond 2023 he will leave on a free. It would be madness *not* to be starting to sort out a new contract now.

Or look to sell for a high fee during the next couple of seasons.

Are you genuinely a Spurs fan? You just seem to parachute in here from time to time and troll with idiotic posts like that one.

It's hardly a radical thought, Chelsea will only give over 30s a 1 year contract (although there have been exceptions). Mourinho said: “We decide at a certain age to stimulate the players, to provocate the players, to make them feel the past doesn’t play a role. We want players always in the present and tomorrow.

“We give them one year of contract. If they don’t accept it is because they are not ready, they are not ready for the challenge. If they are not up for the challenge we don’t want them.

You are putting sentiment before judgement. Do you think Son will be able to perform at his current levels when he's 31+ years old? The evidence suggests he (like all players but wide players peak earliest) will start to decline substantially. The club needs to ask themselves is it better to give a a large contract (200K a week) to someone who is past their peak or cash in on a player after he's given the club his best years.

We are already stuck with players like Sissoko and Rose who are over 30 and aren't what they were, where we can't find buyers and are waiting for their contracts to tick down.

Edited by Fittster on Monday 26th October 19:56

[48k]

Fittster said:

48k said:

Fittster said:

48k said:

Fittster said:

Yidwann said:

I am not sure I am hearing this right.... Son, who is on fire, and has been on fire for seasons, we shouldn't be offering an new contract because he's 28? Right oh!

Take some optimism pills Fittster!

Son has an existing contract until 2023 at which point he will be 31. After that point will he still be firing at the level he is this season? I don't think he will be. Basing future contracts based on how a player is performing today seems unwise.

...and if he's not on a contract beyond 2023 he will leave on a free. It would be madness *not* to be starting to sort out a new contract now.

Or look to sell for a high fee during the next couple of seasons.

Are you genuinely a Spurs fan? You just seem to parachute in here from time to time and troll with idiotic posts like that one.

You are putting sentiment before judgement. Do you think Son will be able to perform at his current levels when he's 31+ years old? The evidence suggests he (like all players but wide players peak earliest) will start to decline substantially. The club needs to ask themselves is it better to give a a large contract (200K a week) to someone who is past their peak or cash in on a player after he's given the club his best years.

We are already stuck with players like Sissoko and Rose who are over 30 and aren't what they were, where we can't find buyers and are waiting for their contracts to tick down.

We don't have the revenue of the other clubs in the top 6, so we need to be smarter at managing the squad, identifying talent and moving players on.

Rewarding current peak form with large wages for years to come is stupid.

You just said sell Son in the next two years. He's 28 now, at the peak of his game and you want to sell him in the next two years.

Stop trolling.

[272BHP]

If it wasn't for the nightmare draw last week a win tonight would have put us top.

Hope to see Bale at some point tonight - and if we are comfortably winning a little bit more of Vinicius

[Fittster]

48k said:

You just said sell Son in the next two years. He's 28 now, at the peak of his game and you want to sell him in the next two years.

Stop trolling.

I don't want to offer him a 200K contract which would be running into his mid-30s. If that's what he wants it's time to consider what's best for the club.

Arsenil during the Wenger also had a policy of not giving over 30s more than a 1 year contract. That has been ditched and now they have:

Name	Salary	Current Age	Remaining Seasons
Ozil	350K	32	1
Papastathopoulos	108K	32	1
Willian	250K	32	3
Aubameyang	375K	31	3
David Luiz	120K	33	1

You never want to end up like them.

Edited by Fittster on Monday 26th October 20:16

[Byker28i]

Right, footie is on. What do we think of the team lineup?
Sissoko, ndombele, davies. subs bench looks really strong.

[Byker28i]

Barnes, elbow into alderweld.. no card?