The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 13]

[Willmass]

I was sat next to a wolves fan & when that third goal went in j stood up with him & clapped a truly wonderful goal ,

I really think Mr levy has made a huge rik in appointing Jose .

Nuno was a goalkeeper right , how many ex goalkeepers have managed in the Premier league ?

[48k]

The most significant thing today for me, was how quiet the stadium was. The place was dead. In the 18 months or so that the new gaff has been open, I can honestly say I've never heard it so quiet. Admittedly the Spurs crowd has always been one that responds to the effort on the pitch rather than inspires extra effort on the pitch but it was massively evident today how disenchanted the fans are. Wolves are not a bad side but we were the better side but every goal they scored was due to a mistake or us playing badly not them inventing something. The vibe in the stadium felt like a collective shrugging of shoulders. We've got no identity any more. There's no obvious game plan it's just eleven blokes running out to kick a ball around. And the crowd know it.
I know things needed a reset under Poch but I'm struggling to understand what Jose is doing that Poch wouldn't have done. We just need to limp to the end of the season and regroup. We didnt need Jose to take over in order to do that.

[GloverMart]

andy97 said:

GloverMart said:

I said it about Man United last year & I'll say it about Spurs this season.

You could do a lot worse than go for Nuno Espirito Santo as manager. There's only really so far he can take Wolves, has to be worth a shout.

You think so? With multi-billionaire owners who back the manager and don’t interfere.

I really don’t think Nuno will leave Wolves unless it is for someone like, Real, Inter, AC, etc.

I think you should try for him but as you say, whether he would come, I have no idea.

[Guvernator]

Jose may be crap at lots things but I thought the one thing he was supposed to do really well was to get teams to defend properly so what's gone wrong? We are just as bad at defending as we always were, we could even be worse.

Proof if it were needed that the Spursy can ruin anyone's reputation, even The Special One's

Out of curiosity, how bad would it have to get before Jose got the sack? Levy what have you done to us!

[m3sye]

48k said:

The most significant thing today for me, was how quiet the stadium was. The place was dead. In the 18 months or so that the new gaff has been open, I can honestly say I've never heard it so quiet. Admittedly the Spurs crowd has always been one that responds to the effort on the pitch rather than inspires extra effort on the pitch but it was massively evident today how disenchanted the fans are. Wolves are not a bad side but we were the better side but every goal they scored was due to a mistake or us playing badly not them inventing something. The vibe in the stadium felt like a collective shrugging of shoulders. We've got no identity any more. There's no obvious game plan it's just eleven blokes running out to kick a ball around. And the crowd know it.
I know things needed a reset under Poch but I'm struggling to understand what Jose is doing that Poch wouldn't have done. We just need to limp to the end of the season and regroup. We didnt need Jose to take over in order to do that.

How long do you think the fans will give him before making it clear they want him out? Have you done that with any manager before?

[leglessAlex]

Guvernator said:

Jose may be crap at lots things but I thought the one thing he was supposed to do really well was to get teams to defend properly so what's gone wrong? We are just as bad at defending as we always were, we could even be worse.

Proof if it were needed that the Spursy can ruin anyone's reputation, even The Special One's

Out of curiosity, how bad would it have to get before Jose got the sack? Levy what have you done to us!

This is what I find as bit strange. I thought Jose had a point to prove to everyone, I was convinced he'd drag some performances out and at least fashion a good defence. Sure, given the team I support I'm not so unhappy about that, but you'll probably still finish ahead of us at this rate.

I'd be staggered if he stays past the end of the season if the performances don't improve. It's not like Levy is going to splash out, if he doesn't get the best out of a set of players in 8 months or so why would that change in the months that follow after that, given a fairly unchanged squad?

[Guvernator]

Is it any worse than any of the other teams in the PL at the moment though baring Liverpool and City?

Ok Son and Kane are injured but we still have

Loris, still one of the best keepers in the world IMO
Tanganga, Aldiewereld both decent defenders. Admittedly the rest our defence aren't as good but are they any worse than most other teams?
In midfield we have a surfeit of talent.
Our front Line of Dele, Berg and Moura aren't exactly crap.

What I'm saying is yes we aren't at full strength and we definitely have some weak areas but I don't think the players we have are any better or worse than most of the teams around us. Can you really say Utd have a fantastic line-up, or Arsenal, or Chelsea?

I don't think our struggles are just about our players, I also think we don't have the right game plan and tactics and that's all down to Jose.

[mickk]

ChocolateFrog said:

Well that cheered me right up.

Not as much as the whole of the football world were cheered up after your result yesterday.

[chow pan toon]

GloverMart said:

Jimenez is the most under rated striker in the Premier League. He would walk into any team in the PL except maybe the top two.

Jota is fantastic, he's absolutely on fire right now but he rarely has a bad game. Nuno should come, and also bring those two plus Patricio, Doherty, Traore and a couple of others too.

With respect I think you're a few years out of date. Clubs like Wolves and Leicester aren't supplicants to teams like Spurs/Man Utd/Arsenal any more (with absolutely no offence intended to those clubs). The riches in the league mean that outside of Liverpool and Man City players aren't going to get any more money or probably silverware so in the case of Nuno, why would you leave a project at a club where you are worshiped to go a team who deep down feel like they should have a bigger manager and will get on your back in a bad patch? This is why I was never worried when the Nuno to Arsenal thing came about. Apart from them being a fking bin fire, what realistically could he get there that he won't think he can get at Wolves within 3 seasons?

[dmulally]

GloverMart said:

I said it about Man United last year & I'll say it about Spurs this season.

You could do a lot worse than go for Nuno Espirito Santo as manager. There's only really so far he can take Wolves, has to be worth a shout.

Spurs are a step down for Nuno I'd say. We are a basketcase that can't be fixed overnight. Wolves are high flying and have talent and drive. We have neither.

Sadly Levy will play hardball over driftwood like with Wanyama over the summer and that should put us even more behind. Prove me wrong, Levy!

[andy97]

48k said:

...... Wolves are not a bad side but we were the better side but every goal they scored was due to a mistake or us playing badly not them inventing something.
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You did actually watch the game, didn’t you??? The third goal, in particular, was world class.

[48k]

andy97 said:

48k said:

...... Wolves are not a bad side but we were the better side but every goal they scored was due to a mistake or us playing badly not them inventing something.
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You did actually watch the game, didn’t you??? The third goal, in particular, was world class.

Yes. Did you see how the move started?

[Simon-k41v9]

I went yesterday, first time since Jose appointed.

I thought Wolves were excellent. Spurs best spell was the first 15mins, and got a goal, but after that Wolves got together and every time they countered its was just panic from defenders. After that first 15mins we stopped running behind Wolves defenders and then it was easy for them.
My 7 year old stood up and shouted "what a goal" when they scored the 3rd - was proper funny.

someone else mentioned the lack of noise and atmosphere - I was really disappointed in it as well, but I think that's just reflective of performances.

Fortunately for Jose, he only has a handful of home games left this season, then the summer break. However I think the crowd will turn inside the first 10 games if there isn't a noticeable improvement next year. I still don't understand his tactics, but they have worked for him historically.

Can believe he gave Troy a whole 4 minutes of game time, pointless. He could have gone on at any point in the 2nd half, try something different.

[anonymous-user]

What do you think Kane will do in the summer?

I assume Jose is going to want some ££ to strengthen which you seemingly don't have in abundance, will Harry look to jump ship and you'll cash in?

[TEKNOPUG]

anonymous said:

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There is a massives of cash. All the borrowed money for the stadium has been put into 30 year bonds and the stadium is generating £800k+ in concessions each match day (compared with say, Old Trafford at £150k+). The income though is all dependent upon what's happening on the pitch ultimately, especially so if Levy wants (and in fact needs) to increase overseas revenue. So I expect considerable money to be spent in the summer, even if Levy doesn't care about the football, he's not so stupid as to not realise that he needs to invest to get a return. Certainly I can't imagine a scenario whereby Jose took the job with the expectation of managing with Poch's purse strings. Whether any money would be spent wisely is a different matter....

Kane has 4 years left on his contract at £10m+ a year - no one is going to pay what Levy would demand.

[Fittster]

anonymous said:

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He's on a long, high paying contract and is starting to look injury prone. There isn't going to be a big move for Kane.

Hopefully we will get a DoF who will allocate the target's for the squad.

Jose has a three year contract, he's done 1 year and there's a fair chance next season will be his last. Hopefully his input into player transfers will be limited.

[Ascayman]

anonymous said:

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Certainly not from our end. If this spell has any positives it'll be the shutting up of the morons who said we were better off without him.

He's the best striker in the world we'd be nuts to get rid. Whether he wants out is another question.. he doesn't seem to be the sort to press for a move but I'm not sure I could blame him if he did.

[Guvernator]

I don't know, he is very good no doubt but has become injury prone. At least 3 months out, every year for the last 3 years deserves that title now I think.

Smart move if he wants to move would be to sell him for £100m+ while we can and re-invest that money. Unfortunately Levy will want to sell him for £200m and no one will buy him.

[mickk]

Rather sell Deli, Dier and Verts to be honest

Dont know what mug of a club would buy them but...

[TEKNOPUG]

Guvernator said:

I don't know, he is very good no doubt but has become injury prone. At least 3 months out, every year for the last 3 years deserves that title now I think.

Smart move if he wants to move would be to sell him for £100m+ while we can and re-invest that money. Unfortunately Levy will want to sell him for £200m and no one will buy him.

Maybe if we bought another striker, he wouldn't have to play every minute of every game which leads to inevitable injuries...