The Official Arsenal - 14 x Cup Winners Thread (Vol 5)

[Adam.]

Been wondering this about my club

Let’s say SK would sell for £2bn. Could you find 200,000 fans to stump up £10k, which includes a 50% season ticket discount for X years. Of course some could afford a lot more, £1m for discounted boxes or hospitality for X games. Plus they get a vote and dividends.

Maybe a bank in between that lends half the amount to the fans and they can repay over a few years

[aeropilot]

Radec said:

Cupramax said:

The whole debacle has a severe whiff of the farmyard about it. I think all supporters need to get together now and run these slimy sts out of our clubs. There will never be a better chance.

Agree, but also who has the money to buy us or Utd/LFC/Spuds, you're talking minimum 2bn to even get your foot in the door with either of these clubs.

I think this whole episode, plus the Covid impact might mean a reset for the whole sport and some serious devaluing of what clubs are really worth.

They are only being driven that way by the like of Kreonke and Glazers etc., for their own personal greed purposes not because a footie club is actually worth that.

The German model of club ownership has a lot going for it, maybe now is the time to introduce such rules here?

Lets face it, who on here that's not been at the Emirates for a CL match against Dortmund or Bayern in the past has not looked over at that away fans corner with perhaps just a little bit of envy of that support....?

[StonedRollin]

Cupramax said:

While I’ve always been a fan of Dein, let’s not forget it’s him that caused all this.

How did you come to that conclusion?

My understanding was that he sided with Usmanov in the Red and White Holdings camp, but if i remember correctly it was perceived at the time that the then board didn't like the dirty oil money tag that came with him (ala Chelski and Abramovitch) as it was thought to be 'not cricket old chap' so sided with the squeaky clean Silent Stan. The rest appears to be history as we all know what that fk is about.

[Glassman]

aeropilot said:

Lets face it, who on here that's not been at the Emirates for a CL match against Dortmund or Bayern in the past has not looked over at that away fans corner with perhaps just a little bit of envy of that support....?

Let's hope the club apologising for getting it wrong is a start.

[Cupramax]

StonedRollin said:

Cupramax said:

While I’ve always been a fan of Dein, let’s not forget it’s him that caused all this.

How did you come to that conclusion?

My understanding was that he sided with Usmanov in the Red and White Holdings camp, but if i remember correctly it was perceived at the time that the then board didn't like the dirty oil money tag that came with him (ala Chelski and Abramovitch) as it was thought to be 'not cricket old chap' so sided with the squeaky clean Silent Stan. The rest appears to be history as we all know what that fk is about.

His actions going behind the boards back selling to Usmanov got him thrown off the board, the rest of them, bit by bit sold up to silent Stan.

[wolfie28]

Well that was an unusual couple of days. Who knows what the real truth of the matter is/was. Will we ever find out; I doubt it. I was disgusted to find that Arsenal were involved in this. So much for tradition, values and 'Victoria Concordia Crescit'!!

Damage has definitely been done and will take a long time to repair. I agree that the German ownership model should be adopted. Current ownership need to be thrown out and a new buyer found that actually gives a fk about Arsenal and has an understanding and appreciation of football.

[StonedRollin]

Cupramax said:

StonedRollin said:

Cupramax said:

While I’ve always been a fan of Dein, let’s not forget it’s him that caused all this.

How did you come to that conclusion?

My understanding was that he sided with Usmanov in the Red and White Holdings camp, but if i remember correctly it was perceived at the time that the then board didn't like the dirty oil money tag that came with him (ala Chelski and Abramovitch) as it was thought to be 'not cricket old chap' so sided with the squeaky clean Silent Stan. The rest appears to be history as we all know what that fk is about.

His actions going behind the boards back selling to Usmanov got him thrown off the board, the rest of them, bit by bit sold up to silent Stan.

I always viewed that as him trying to take the club forward at the time but he was up against the old school element of the board that didn't like the new dirty oil monies. I bear more of a grudge against Lady Nina and Co. that sold out to silent Stan to be honest and i think they would've done that regardless of the Red & White Holdings attempted takeover.

[The jiffle king]

wolfie28 said:

Well that was an unusual couple of days. Who knows what the real truth of the matter is/was. Will we ever find out; I doubt it. I was disgusted to find that Arsenal were involved in this. So much for tradition, values and 'Victoria Concordia Crescit'!!

Damage has definitely been done and will take a long time to repair. I agree that the German ownership model should be adopted. Current ownership need to be thrown out and a new buyer found that actually gives a fk about Arsenal and has an understanding and appreciation of football.

Sadly we are long past fans being a part of this. Arsenal is a business with money being the key driver over trophies (which I know they want but champions league money is the key driver).

Are fans going to stump up £500M to buy part of the club? No buyer is going to care as much as you fans and we lost football to business many years ago. Good luck getting it back

[Dashnine]

Genuine question - but doesn't more success, trophies, etc. bring more money? If it doesn't, shouldn't it?

[The jiffle king]

Dashnine said:

Genuine question - but doesn't more success, trophies, etc. bring more money? If it doesn't, shouldn't it?

The risk reward on trophies is too great for most clubs. Arsenal can get £130M just by being close to the top of the premier league. Why spend vast sums to put that at risk? fans want trophies, but I am not 100% convinced the business needs trophies

[Carl_Manchester]

Cheib said:

Apparently they were doing it to “protect the club” and it was an “invitation...which meant they did not want to be left behind”. Spineless S !!!!!!

Can’t even own their own mistakes.

At the risk of appearing to Troll my own fellow Gooner's, I do agree that it was the right thing for the Arsenal board to do (join the ESL), being left out would have been not good at all for the club.

I do agree that the fan ownership model of the Germans is the change we need but the Government need to pass legislation to force it.

[aeropilot]

The jiffle king said:

Dashnine said:

Genuine question - but doesn't more success, trophies, etc. bring more money? If it doesn't, shouldn't it?

The risk reward on trophies is too great for most clubs. Arsenal can get £130M just by being close to the top of the premier league. Why spend vast sums to put that at risk? fans want trophies, but I am not 100% convinced the business needs trophies

Kreonke publically stated years ago, he bought a business, and didn't buy the club to win trophies.

Along with the fact that Kroenke knows the square root of FA about football, that statement alone should have set massive alarm bells off with the fans as much as what has happened in the last 48 hours, but there are far too many AFC fans that can't see the wood for the trees, and have too much blind faith, despite what is staring them in the face.

While every fan should expect the club to be run as a sound business, and not be in debt if possible, we should expect it to be run as a football club first with the aim to win things and be as competitive as the club can be with what it has at its disposal, rather than as a pure business and profit tool for its owners as the priority.

[Wonderman]

As a season ticket holder did you consider contacting me to let me know you were considering entering an ESL type arrangement, you know test the waters? NO.
As a season ticket holder did you email me to let me know you were entering the ESL? NO.
Did you put it on your website? YES.
As a season ticket holder did you email me to let me know you were exiting the ESL? NO.
As a season ticket holder did you email me your apologies for making a tt of the club? NO.
Did you put a feeble apology on your website? YES.
Did you manage to email about fixture changes to TV subscriptions services I don't buy? YES
I look forwards to your email about renewals of legacy/ heritage fans season tickets within 20-30 seconds of us finishing our European campaign.
Form is temporary, class is a memory.

Edited by Wonderman on Wednesday 21st April 16:23

[mylesmcd]

aeropilot said:

The jiffle king said:

Dashnine said:

Genuine question - but doesn't more success, trophies, etc. bring more money? If it doesn't, shouldn't it?

The risk reward on trophies is too great for most clubs. Arsenal can get £130M just by being close to the top of the premier league. Why spend vast sums to put that at risk? fans want trophies, but I am not 100% convinced the business needs trophies

Kreonke publically stated years ago, he bought a business, and didn't buy the club to win trophies.

Along with the fact that Kroenke knows the square root of FA about football, that statement alone should have set massive alarm bells off with the fans as much as what has happened in the last 48 hours, but there are far too many AFC fans that can't see the wood for the trees, and have too much blind faith, despite what is staring them in the face.

While every fan should expect the club to be run as a sound business, and not be in debt if possible, we should expect it to be run as a football club first with the aim to win things and be as competitive as the club can be with what it has at its disposal, rather than as a pure business and profit tool for its owners as the priority.

our views are very much alined Sir.

[Cheib]

Carl_Manchester said:

Cheib said:

Apparently they were doing it to “protect the club” and it was an “invitation...which meant they did not want to be left behind”. Spineless S !!!!!!

Can’t even own their own mistakes.

At the risk of appearing to Troll my own fellow Gooner's, I do agree that it was the right thing for the Arsenal board to do (join the ESL), being left out would have been not good at all for the club.

I do agree that the fan ownership model of the Germans is the change we need but the Government need to pass legislation to force it.

Kronke Junior said yesterday we went along with it because we didn't want to be left behind....the idea they have been part of discussion previously is just fking ludicrous. JPM won't have signed off a multi billion dollar loan facility without having gone through this over many months.

He also said "trust has been shredded"...big assumption that Arsenal fans trusted KSE. I don't think any Arsenal fan trusted them.

[Cupramax]

Cheib said:

Kronke Junior said yesterday we went along with it because we didn't want to be left behind....the idea they have been part of discussion previously is just fking ludicrous. JPM won't have signed off a multi billion dollar loan facility without having gone through this over many months.

He also said "trust has been shredded"...big assumption that Arsenal fans trusted KSE. I don't think any Arsenal fan trusted them.

Yes, I nearly spat my tea out when I saw that, deluded? Much

[aeropilot]

Cheib said:

He also said "trust has been shredded"...big assumption that Arsenal fans trusted KSE. I don't think any Arsenal fan trusted them.

Senior and Junior have no clue.
Sadly they have also reiterated that they have no intention of selling the club, so we're stuck with the utter fktards I'm afraid.

[Cupramax]

I think pushing the Govt to look at the German method of fans majority ownership is the way forward long term. How they would legislate to remove/recompense existing owners though, god knows. I think we’ve all seen enough now to know it’s all about the mooolah.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Cupramax said:

I think pushing the Govt to look at the German method of fans majority ownership is the way forward long term.

You obviously have a higher opinion of your fans than I have of mine. When I go to Chelsea, I think I can honestly say that I wouldn't let 90% of the people I see and hear feed my cat for a week whilst i was away, let alone own 51% of the club I love. I'd much rather let RA run it, even after the ESL debacle.

I doubt most fans could run a bath, never mind a football club.

[unident]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Cupramax said:

I think pushing the Govt to look at the German method of fans majority ownership is the way forward long term.

You obviously have a higher opinion of your fans than I have of mine. When I go to Chelsea, I think I can honestly say that I wouldn't let 90% of the people I see and hear feed my cat for a week whilst i was away, let alone own 51% of the club I love. I'd much rather let RA run it, even after the ESL debacle.

I doubt most fans could run a bath, never mind a football club.

It’s all pie in the sky nonsense anyway. It’s never going to happen and all the people even thinking it will are as deluded as the ESL founders.