The Official Arsenal - 14 x Cup Winners Thread (Vol 5)

[Byker28i]

Rosscow said:

StonedRollin said:

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Finishing above Arsenal in the table for years - so yes

[S600BSB]

Byker28i said:

Rosscow said:

StonedRollin said:

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Finishing above Arsenal in the table for years - so yes

Key as well is that the manager is a couple of levels above Arteta - at least at the moment.

[Ntv]

Byker28i said:

Rosscow said:

StonedRollin said:

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Finishing above Arsenal in the table for years - so yes

Higher points per game since Conte took over. That is probably the best single measure.

[mylesmcd]

S600BSB said:

Byker28i said:

Rosscow said:

StonedRollin said:

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Finishing above Arsenal in the table for years - so yes

Key as well is that the manager is a couple of levels above Arteta - at least at the moment.

Being Italian he is also prone to a bit of match fixing/scandal dont for get!


(shameless Italian bashing, thats all!)

[Glassman]

If you enter - or qualify for - a competition, you have to feel you're good enough to win it. Arsenal cannot say that with any level of confidence. It's all very well saying the qualification would attract players etc etc, but the here and now is: nope. Nowhere near good enough.

[aeropilot]

S600BSB said:

Byker28i said:

Rosscow said:

StonedRollin said:

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Finishing above Arsenal in the table for years - so yes

Key as well is that the manager is a couple of levels above Arteta - at least at the moment.

This.
Its no real surprise that the 4 best coaches in the PL (and 4 of the best in Europe) have will finish top 4.

Arteta's WIP coaching career finishing best of the rest in 5th is not a bad result in the grand scheme of things, although if Leicester and Manure had not had a crap season.....and West Ham not had a long run in the EL......it might have been no better than previous few seasons.

[Byker28i]

Ntv said:

Byker28i said:

Rosscow said:

StonedRollin said:

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Finishing above Arsenal in the table for years - so yes

Higher points per game since Conte took over. That is probably the best single measure.

Considering the really poor start both Spurs and Arsenal had 4th and 5th is quite the achievement.

[martinbiz]

StonedRollin said:

Ntv said:

LOL, I'm not coming here to bash Arsenal fans................stuff aaaaaaand....................The point you're missing is that while we (Spurs) are still a bit ste, we are a better team than Arsenal. Under Conte we have won more points than Arsenal and Chelsea.

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Oh C'mon, don't let the sensible Gooners on here down with daft comments, you can do that on face book and join the latest conspiracy theory that all the match officials are bent and are under instruction from the FA to make sure spurs get in the CL not Arsenal, it's laughable

I haven't got time to check this now, but in 2022 I think you'll find Spurs have the 2nd or 3rd biggest points haul, the most goals scored and the top goal diff

[martinbiz]

Byker28i said:

Considering the really poor start both Spurs and Arsenal had 4th and 5th is quite the achievement.

I agree

[StonedRollin]

Rosscow said:

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Selective choice of stats. We've each won the same number of games so you are no better then.

[StonedRollin]

martinbiz said:

Byker28i said:

Considering the really poor start both Spurs and Arsenal had 4th and 5th is quite the achievement.

I agree

The really poor start that saw Spuds top of the league after 3 games.

[martinbiz]

StonedRollin said:

martinbiz said:

Byker28i said:

Considering the really poor start both Spurs and Arsenal had 4th and 5th is quite the achievement.

I agree

The really poor start that saw Spuds top of the league after 3 games.

Yes but we then lost the next three, I would say that's still pretty close to the start

Is hair splitting your profession?

[Ntv]

StonedRollin said:

Rosscow said:

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Selective choice of stats. We've each won the same number of games so you are no better then.

As I said above, higher average points per PL game played.

[Ntv]

aeropilot said:

S600BSB said:

Byker28i said:

Rosscow said:

StonedRollin said:

Are you a better team? Questionable. You have two world class forwards that make the difference.

Also conceded fewer goals.......so yes?

Finishing above Arsenal in the table for years - so yes

Key as well is that the manager is a couple of levels above Arteta - at least at the moment.

This.
Its no real surprise that the 4 best coaches in the PL (and 4 of the best in Europe) have will finish top 4.

Arteta's WIP coaching career finishing best of the rest in 5th is not a bad result in the grand scheme of things, although if Leicester and Manure had not had a crap season.....and West Ham not had a long run in the EL......it might have been no better than previous few seasons.

Agree. The Arse can do better than Arteta. I'd be a bit depressed with him tbh as there's just no reason to assume he can get them top 3 / winning a cup / deep into CL etc. With Liverpool and Man City perhaps for the next 2-3 years that is about the best Arsenal or Spurs could hope for, and I know which of the two I'd back for that (assuming Conte stays).

[Jasey_]

Ntv said:

Agree. The Arse can do better than Arteta. I'd be a bit depressed with him tbh as there's just no reason to assume he can get them top 3 / winning a cup / deep into CL etc. With Liverpool and Man City perhaps for the next 2-3 years that is about the best Arsenal or Spurs could hope for, and I know which of the two I'd back for that (assuming Conte stays).

Your issue is Levy - he'll sack Conte once Norwich beat you .

[martinbiz]

Jasey_ said:

Ntv said:

Agree. The Arse can do better than Arteta. I'd be a bit depressed with him tbh as there's just no reason to assume he can get them top 3 / winning a cup / deep into CL etc. With Liverpool and Man City perhaps for the next 2-3 years that is about the best Arsenal or Spurs could hope for, and I know which of the two I'd back for that (assuming Conte stays).

Your issue is Levy - he'll sack Conte once Norwich beat you .

I'm glad the Spurs thread isn't as kindergarten as it is on here sometimes

[StonedRollin]

Ntv said:

Agree. The Arse can do better than Arteta. I'd be a bit depressed with him tbh as there's just no reason to assume he can get them top 3 / winning a cup / deep into CL etc. With Liverpool and Man City perhaps for the next 2-3 years that is about the best Arsenal or Spurs could hope for, and I know which of the two I'd back for that (assuming Conte stays).

Whilst i am not convinced he will get us to where we'd like to be only time will tell. However, he has won the FA Cup with us as a manager.

[RacingPete]

martinbiz said:

I haven't got time to check this now, but in 2022 I think you'll find Spurs have the 2nd or 3rd biggest points haul, the most goals scored and the top goal diff

I have, and I think you will find that points per game in 2022 we are both behind that superb top three side of Newcastle - so Spurs and Arsenal are worse than them and the game the other night went to form.

[Wonderman]

martinbiz said:

I'm glad the Spurs thread isn't as kindergarten as it is on here sometimes

Only seems to go that way when there is an influx of Spurs fans posting, and in response alot of non regular Arsenal contributors come out the wood work too.

What he should have said is "Your problem is Conte leaving if Norwich beat you" (not that they will obviously as that would cost Conte his £2.5m bonus for Champs league qualifying), and even if they did you know we would screw the pooch by losing or drawing with the Toffees anyway.

The irony of the scorer of the second goal being a player we were signing until a Toon poach fells like a taste of silly season to come- the mercenaries will go to Toon for a couple of season (ala Citeh early years of oil money...yes Tevez I'm looking at you), the top 1% with trophies on the mind will only have eyes for Citeh and Pool, I think until Chelsea funding streams is clear there will be a bit of doubt on signing depending on if fall into the two previous categories. Yes Spurs have Champs league next year but unless they come out the end of the season giving Conte another 2 to 3 years I can see struggling to get any big signings (unless Ponch comes back and kidnaps a couple from PSG) and us "project youth/ asset growth" we need players okay with Europa and believe in Arteta vision...we shall see...


In other news, in a desperate bid to extract some more cash just got this:
We are delighted to announce the Emirates Cup will return this summer with a clash against six-time UEFA Europa League winning side, Sevilla FC, at Emirates Stadium on Saturday 30 July. As a 2021/22 Gold Member, you have exclusive priority access to purchase your own seat(s) for this match,

[ddom]

Sevilla FC, be still my beating heart :rofl.