The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 10)
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unident said:
Gone a bit AMG said:
I’ve said repeatedly that Ole is in the job to lead us through a painful period whilst we lay foundations for future success. That is happening.
The young signings now on the books are outstanding and will deliver when stadiums are full again
I’m going to quote this again and ask about these foundations. What are they?The young signings now on the books are outstanding and will deliver when stadiums are full again
We have one maybe two youth players in Greenwood and Tuanzebe (who’s as injury prone as Bailly on ice). Williams seems to have been fired off in favour of Shaw for some unknown reason. We’ve just signed a midfielder that Ole won’t play, a striker as old as my Nan. We don’t have any clear tactics or playing model.
I’m happy to be educated as to what these foundations are.
bstb3 said:
It's going to be very tough if we don't get a result at Goodison on Saturday after this, for sure the vultures will be circling.
It's not the results, its the lack of an apparent style or plan in too many games where the onus is on us to attack.
Just keep watching this thread as all the old familiar faces soon reappear lol !It's not the results, its the lack of an apparent style or plan in too many games where the onus is on us to attack.
We've dug ourselves out of a lot of holes like this in the last 2 years, so we know they can do it, but it would be nice if they could get going and string a run together rather than playing to extreme highs and lows!
200Plus Club said:
bstb3 said:
It's going to be very tough if we don't get a result at Goodison on Saturday after this, for sure the vultures will be circling.
It's not the results, its the lack of an apparent style or plan in too many games where the onus is on us to attack.
Just keep watching this thread as all the old familiar faces soon reappear lol !It's not the results, its the lack of an apparent style or plan in too many games where the onus is on us to attack.
We've dug ourselves out of a lot of holes like this in the last 2 years, so we know they can do it, but it would be nice if they could get going and string a run together rather than playing to extreme highs and lows!
You need to face facts that the team don't have it in them to string a run together.
200Plus Club said:
Just keep watching this thread as all the old familiar faces soon reappear lol !
We've dug ourselves out of a lot of holes like this in the last 2 years, so we know they can do it, but it would be nice if they could get going and string a run together rather than playing to extreme highs and lows!
Yeah, I think we all just need some consistency. Problem is I'm not sure if we do get out of this hole we wont just immediately start work on the next one and throw ourselves in it headfirst. It almost feels like rope a dope. We play bad for a few games, people feel they can attack us then we smash a couple on the counter and think hey, job done. Rinse and repeat. We've dug ourselves out of a lot of holes like this in the last 2 years, so we know they can do it, but it would be nice if they could get going and string a run together rather than playing to extreme highs and lows!
bstb3 said:
To be fair I don't think it's the back 4 thats the issue - midfield is offering nothing in protection. Matic is having an absolute mare, would love to see his pass completion that half but it's been shocking. He is out of place defensively too, its a horror show from him. Mata should never be receiving the ball where he did too, such an easy target for them to press.
On the plus side we have the firepower to turn it around, but we need to change up the midfield to get that balance back. 5 subs isn't it? So I'd be having Matic and Mata off for McT and Fred at this point. Then Cavani, Greenwood if we aren't back level by 60.
With our defence we need players with movement and pace that can offer protection. Matic looks done at this level. Too slow and passing is shocking. On the plus side we have the firepower to turn it around, but we need to change up the midfield to get that balance back. 5 subs isn't it? So I'd be having Matic and Mata off for McT and Fred at this point. Then Cavani, Greenwood if we aren't back level by 60.
Do we change shape / formation in every game?
We must have changing 5 or 6 players every game. No wonder we look like strangers every 90mins
selym said:
200Plus Club said:
bstb3 said:
It's going to be very tough if we don't get a result at Goodison on Saturday after this, for sure the vultures will be circling.
It's not the results, its the lack of an apparent style or plan in too many games where the onus is on us to attack.
Just keep watching this thread as all the old familiar faces soon reappear lol !It's not the results, its the lack of an apparent style or plan in too many games where the onus is on us to attack.
We've dug ourselves out of a lot of holes like this in the last 2 years, so we know they can do it, but it would be nice if they could get going and string a run together rather than playing to extreme highs and lows!
You need to face facts that the team don't have it in them to string a run together.
This season I'd agree however. Can't argue the facts so far.
200Plus Club said:
Other than the big one last season you mean?
This season I'd agree however. Can't argue the facts so far.
You are much, much worse than you were before the break in last season though. There isn't any evidence of green shoots; Pogba - standard trinket, Martial - drip, Rashford - mind elsewhere, Wan-Bissaka - great defender but negates the whole attacking dimension of the RW, Fernandez - is being dragged back to the pack and seems more and more frustrated, Van De Beek - no spark, Maguire - needs a holiday, McTominay - needs a transfer before he is ruined, Greenwood - cutting inside is now being predicted by defenders, has to play through the middle to maximise his two-footedness (which is being diluted by having him out wide). This season I'd agree however. Can't argue the facts so far.
and31 said:
f
king Embarrassing.
As said above-what is being coached in the training sessions?
Why can’t we put in a decent cross?
Do they actually practice them?-doesn’t look like it.
They probably think they are really good at attacking crosses when they are up against our defenders haha.king Embarrassing.As said above-what is being coached in the training sessions?
Why can’t we put in a decent cross?
Do they actually practice them?-doesn’t look like it.
selym said:
200Plus Club said:
Other than the big one last season you mean?
This season I'd agree however. Can't argue the facts so far.
You are much, much worse than you were before the break in last season though. There isn't any evidence of green shoots; Pogba - standard trinket, Martial - drip, Rashford - mind elsewhere, Wan-Bissaka - great defender but negates the whole attacking dimension of the RW, Fernandez - is being dragged back to the pack and seems more and more frustrated, Van De Beek - no spark, Maguire - needs a holiday, McTominay - needs a transfer before he is ruined, Greenwood - cutting inside is now being predicted by defenders, has to play through the middle to maximise his two-footedness (which is being diluted by having him out wide). This season I'd agree however. Can't argue the facts so far.
We do seem to have to rely on players such as Matic and Mata who are great but on the decline. That's not right. Pogba for me could be sold on tomorrow as I think he's one of the reasons we struggle try g to fit him in continually. Ole will need to work it out and show he has before the season ends or it will unfortunately be his last I fear.
Slow said:
and31 said:
fking Embarrassing.
As said above-what is being coached in the training sessions?
Why can’t we put in a decent cross?
Do they actually practice them?-doesn’t look like it.
They probably think they are really good at attacking crosses when they are up against our defenders haha.king Embarrassing.As said above-what is being coached in the training sessions?
Why can’t we put in a decent cross?
Do they actually practice them?-doesn’t look like it.
That was just dire to watch
selym said:
200Plus Club said:
Other than the big one last season you mean?
This season I'd agree however. Can't argue the facts so far.
You are much, much worse than you were before the break in last season though. There isn't any evidence of green shoots; Pogba - standard trinket, Martial - drip, Rashford - mind elsewhere, Wan-Bissaka - great defender but negates the whole attacking dimension of the RW, Fernandez - is being dragged back to the pack and seems more and more frustrated, Van De Beek - no spark, Maguire - needs a holiday, McTominay - needs a transfer before he is ruined, Greenwood - cutting inside is now being predicted by defenders, has to play through the middle to maximise his two-footedness (which is being diluted by having him out wide). This season I'd agree however. Can't argue the facts so far.
Given that these are clearly talented players, it has to come down to the coaching. AWB and Maguire have gone backwards in recent months so why?
Mind you, one sliver of sympathy I do have for OGS is some of the absolute dross he has to work with. Matic is a terrible player, Championship quality at best.
200Plus Club said:
Yet a week ago they ripped the German league leaders to bits and a week before beat PSG without worry. So I don't quite think it's like you say. The players are off yes and the manager is struggling to find his best setup including the newer players.
We do seem to have to rely on players such as Matic and Mata who are great but on the decline. That's not right. Pogba for me could be sold on tomorrow as I think he's one of the reasons we struggle try g to fit him in continually. Ole will need to work it out and show he has before the season ends or it will unfortunately be his last I fear.
Relying on the good results is part of the problem. We do seem to have to rely on players such as Matic and Mata who are great but on the decline. That's not right. Pogba for me could be sold on tomorrow as I think he's one of the reasons we struggle try g to fit him in continually. Ole will need to work it out and show he has before the season ends or it will unfortunately be his last I fear.
We can beat the 'top' teams as often as you like. Almost all the competitions are a league in one form or another. We don't have the ability to produce a consistent run of form that matches the sum of our parts.
200Plus Club said:
Yet a week ago they ripped the German league leaders to bits and a week before beat PSG without worry. So I don't quite think it's like you say. The players are off yes and the manager is struggling to find his best setup including the newer players.
We do seem to have to rely on players such as Matic and Mata who are great but on the decline. That's not right. Pogba for me could be sold on tomorrow as I think he's one of the reasons we struggle try g to fit him in continually. Ole will need to work it out and show he has before the season ends or it will unfortunately be his last I fear.
If we lose to Everton as I’d fully expect, anything less than a handsome thrashing of West Brom could be his last game I think. Hopefully he can get some semblance of coherent teamwork together with the players who aren’t away on international duty. We do seem to have to rely on players such as Matic and Mata who are great but on the decline. That's not right. Pogba for me could be sold on tomorrow as I think he's one of the reasons we struggle try g to fit him in continually. Ole will need to work it out and show he has before the season ends or it will unfortunately be his last I fear.
57Ford said:
200Plus Club said:
Yet a week ago they ripped the German league leaders to bits and a week before beat PSG without worry. So I don't quite think it's like you say. The players are off yes and the manager is struggling to find his best setup including the newer players.
We do seem to have to rely on players such as Matic and Mata who are great but on the decline. That's not right. Pogba for me could be sold on tomorrow as I think he's one of the reasons we struggle try g to fit him in continually. Ole will need to work it out and show he has before the season ends or it will unfortunately be his last I fear.
If we lose to Everton as I’d fully expect, anything less than a handsome thrashing of West Brom could be his last game I think. Hopefully he can get some semblance of coherent teamwork together with the players who aren’t away on international duty. We do seem to have to rely on players such as Matic and Mata who are great but on the decline. That's not right. Pogba for me could be sold on tomorrow as I think he's one of the reasons we struggle try g to fit him in continually. Ole will need to work it out and show he has before the season ends or it will unfortunately be his last I fear.
In defence of Ole and the coaching staff we are playing pretty much every 3/4 days right now. That's not a lot of time to handle new systems and they might just be trying to keep people fresh with the odd subs and things.
It is the same for everyone else in European comps though, so it's not much of an excuse and all the more reason to find a shape and stick with it.
It is the same for everyone else in European comps though, so it's not much of an excuse and all the more reason to find a shape and stick with it.
57Ford said:
If we lose to Everton as I’d fully expect, anything less than a handsome thrashing of West Brom could be his last game I think. Hopefully he can get some semblance of coherent teamwork together with the players who aren’t away on international duty.
He won’t make it to the West Brom game if we lose to Everton. Ole remains a legend as a player, someone who I look back on with great affection, but he was never anything more than a stop-gap solution. Talk elsewhere of of a Director of Football is well wide of the mark. We have leeches for owners and an incompetent CEO, that will ruin the club in time. Our only realistic hope is a manager capable of pulling off miracles and with this lot that’s very unlikely, someone like Poch would knuckle down and deliver a team more than the sum of its parts.
Edited by unident on Wednesday 4th November 21:12
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