The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 10)
Discussion
GloverMart said:
Have seen clips of Gary Neville's comments on the subject of a European Super League and he absolutely nails it. Well worth searching them out.
Here’s his comments. Well worth a listen. https://fb.watch/4Ye56o9OnQ/
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
here would be 15 permanent places in the new 'champions league' and 5 places each season for other clubs. Clubs who win their domestic competition who aren't in the 15 could still compete in the super League, except it would likely be far more lucrative for them than the current arrangements.
The 'breakaway' is only from European competition. It doesn't stop involvement with the domestic leagues (unless they spitefully ban the teams involved). Leicester could still have won the Premier League, then had a super lucrative entry in the Super League, playing the massive clubs.
There is a lot of deceptive guff being spouted by all those who stand to gain nothing from it. If UEFA gave the teams a better share of the revenue there wouldn't be a superleague threat. Who knows, the whole thing could be a negotiating tactic to force just that.
I said it was a negotiating tactic in reality but as it stands it means United can finish 17th in the PL or even get relegated and we’ll still be in this new kick about every year. No need to invest in the club anymore no need to worry about having a decent squad either. Payday for the Glazers is guaranteed. The 'breakaway' is only from European competition. It doesn't stop involvement with the domestic leagues (unless they spitefully ban the teams involved). Leicester could still have won the Premier League, then had a super lucrative entry in the Super League, playing the massive clubs.
There is a lot of deceptive guff being spouted by all those who stand to gain nothing from it. If UEFA gave the teams a better share of the revenue there wouldn't be a superleague threat. Who knows, the whole thing could be a negotiating tactic to force just that.
unident said:
I said it was a negotiating tactic in reality but as it stands it means United can finish 17th in the PL or even get relegated and we’ll still be in this new kick about every year. No need to invest in the club anymore no need to worry about having a decent squad either. Payday for the Glazers is guaranteed.
We don't know what the participation fee/ prize structure of the new competition might look like, so no realistic comment can be made about that. There's no incentive to have a crap squad because you won't win (or stay in) your European or domestic competitions, players won't want to come and play for you, supporters won't buy your merchandise and you won't easily attract new ones. Sponsors won't want to pay to be associated with you.
In other words, owners will still play to win. They want to increase the value of their asset and the only way to do that is to win.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
We don't know what the participation fee/ prize structure of the new competition might look like, so no realistic comment can be made about that.
There's no incentive to have a crap squad because you won't win (or stay in) your European or domestic competitions, players won't want to come and play for you, supporters won't buy your merchandise and you won't easily attract new ones. Sponsors won't want to pay to be associated with you.
In other words, owners will still play to win. They want to increase the value of their asset and the only way to do that is to win.
The whole point is that the teams who have signed up are guaranteed participation year in year out, irrespective of league position. If you can’t get relegated then why spend a fortune to avoid it?There's no incentive to have a crap squad because you won't win (or stay in) your European or domestic competitions, players won't want to come and play for you, supporters won't buy your merchandise and you won't easily attract new ones. Sponsors won't want to pay to be associated with you.
In other words, owners will still play to win. They want to increase the value of their asset and the only way to do that is to win.
unident said:
The whole point is that the teams who have signed up are guaranteed participation year in year out, irrespective of league position. If you can’t get relegated then why spend a fortune to avoid it?
Because you'll come last and lose a massive amount of money in the process, reducing the value of your asset. This is absolutely all about money, but rather than saving it, it's to give the big clubs guaranteed income so they can invest in the players, wages and supporting infrastructure in a way they can't now. The risk is that the superleague clubs would have so much buying power, the clubs outside of it would only get the scraps of players that are left.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Because you'll come last and lose a massive amount of money in the process, reducing the value of your asset. This is absolutely all about money, but rather than saving it, it's to give the big clubs guaranteed income so they can invest in the players, wages and supporting infrastructure in a way they can't now.
In a way they can’t now? Like what exactly? Sours just spent £800m on a new stadium. You spent 85m on Harry Maguire, City spend 50m on every player.It’s a horrible suggestion and of it happens I will ditch supporting my club and join the local small club
Statement released tonight appears to show they have made a massive misjudgement. Essentially this appears to be an attempt rip control of the ECL from UEFA. They clearly expected that the Prem, La Liga & seria A would not get involved because superficially this doesn't affect them or their competions.
Their problem is that all the leagues are standing with UEFA so they are f
ked before its even started. Stupid and greedy. If the leagues hold firm they are all out of cards to play as far as I can see.
The irony of course is the UEFA has hardly been a paragon of virtue but even so, this closed shop has nothing to do with sport.
Also no surprise to see the Glasers right in the middle of this.s.
Their problem is that all the leagues are standing with UEFA so they are f
ked before its even started. Stupid and greedy. If the leagues hold firm they are all out of cards to play as far as I can see.The irony of course is the UEFA has hardly been a paragon of virtue but even so, this closed shop has nothing to do with sport.
Also no surprise to see the Glasers right in the middle of this.
s.Or the big clubs are prepared to risk domestic league status, and replace all their football with the new league.
Do worldwide audiences want to pay huge subscriptions to watch Fulham versus West Brom, or will they switch to the new Superleague with all the big names in it? If funded appropriately, the Superleague could outbid the non-Superleague clubs for the best players. The Superleague clubs could improve the show for entertainment without the brown envelopes required to get UEFA to do anything.
I think it's exciting.
Do worldwide audiences want to pay huge subscriptions to watch Fulham versus West Brom, or will they switch to the new Superleague with all the big names in it? If funded appropriately, the Superleague could outbid the non-Superleague clubs for the best players. The Superleague clubs could improve the show for entertainment without the brown envelopes required to get UEFA to do anything.
I think it's exciting.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Or the big clubs are prepared to risk domestic league status, and replace all their football with the new league.
Do worldwide audiences want to pay huge subscriptions to watch Fulham versus West Brom, or will they switch to the new Superleague with all the big names in it? If funded appropriately, the Superleague could outbid the non-Superleague clubs for the best players. The Superleague clubs could improve the show for entertainment without the brown envelopes required to get UEFA to do anything.
I think it's exciting.
Nope they have said its intended to be a mid week competition . 2 groups of 10 with 4 from each going forward to knock out.Do worldwide audiences want to pay huge subscriptions to watch Fulham versus West Brom, or will they switch to the new Superleague with all the big names in it? If funded appropriately, the Superleague could outbid the non-Superleague clubs for the best players. The Superleague clubs could improve the show for entertainment without the brown envelopes required to get UEFA to do anything.
I think it's exciting.
They are clearly expecting to play in their domestic leagues.
Its aimed squarely at UEFA
Wombat3 said:
Nope they have said its intended to be a mid week competition . 2 groups of 10 with 4 from each going forward to knock out.
They are clearly expecting to play in their domestic leagues.
Its aimed squarely at UEFA
That's what they've said, but they will clearly have anticipated the stances of the domestic leagues. Their Superleague idea could relatively easily morph into the mainstay and not just the midweek competition. That's probably what the domestic leagues are most afraid of. They are clearly expecting to play in their domestic leagues.
Its aimed squarely at UEFA
Make no mistake, this is a seismic coup.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Wombat3 said:
Nope they have said its intended to be a mid week competition . 2 groups of 10 with 4 from each going forward to knock out.
They are clearly expecting to play in their domestic leagues.
Its aimed squarely at UEFA
That's what they've said, but they will clearly have anticipated the stances of the domestic leagues. Their Superleague idea could relatively easily morph into the mainstay and not just the midweek competition. That's probably what the domestic leagues are most afraid of. They are clearly expecting to play in their domestic leagues.
Its aimed squarely at UEFA
Make no mistake, this is a seismic coup.
I wonder if they did expect to get such a forthright response from their domestic leagues. Perhaps they thought they would throw UEFA to the wolves but apparently not at this point.
There's brinkmanship on both sides. Will the PL or UEFA expect to earn the same TV rights money they do now if the biggest clubs aren't in the competitions?
Why should UEFA pocket the lion's share of the CL money when it's the big clubs who bring in the TV deals and the big clubs who take all the financial risk? They only get away with it because they have a monopoly. Why should they expect to have a monopoly and cream money away from the teams (and their fans)? They are acting as both regulator and financial promotor, with all the conflict that goes with it.
As for all the players coming out now to criticise, they were happy to become millionaires from the Sky money given to the PL, when they undertook their own coup lead by the, surprise surprise, big 5 or 6 clubs. I don't remember the same people or the fans boycotting the PL because they were starving the lower leagues of revenue (the whole purpose of the PL).
Short memories by those sharks who've now found out they're not the only predators in the pond.
Why should UEFA pocket the lion's share of the CL money when it's the big clubs who bring in the TV deals and the big clubs who take all the financial risk? They only get away with it because they have a monopoly. Why should they expect to have a monopoly and cream money away from the teams (and their fans)? They are acting as both regulator and financial promotor, with all the conflict that goes with it.
As for all the players coming out now to criticise, they were happy to become millionaires from the Sky money given to the PL, when they undertook their own coup lead by the, surprise surprise, big 5 or 6 clubs. I don't remember the same people or the fans boycotting the PL because they were starving the lower leagues of revenue (the whole purpose of the PL).
Short memories by those sharks who've now found out they're not the only predators in the pond.
It isn’t the same as the PL, the comparison is weak at best.
There is still relegation from the PL, there is still a need to perform each year to get into the CL. The new model will see Liverpool and Spurs qualifying for next season, despite their poor performance this year and one or two of the other teams above them missing out. Obviously that’s assuming the clubs who form this are still allowed in the domestic leagues. The key part is that there is a risk or benefit to every club in every league apart from this one.
The reality is as I’ve posted before. It’s a negotiating tactic to get more money. You might not like UEFA, it’s far from perfect, but it does apply checks and controls to what would otherwise be a lawless industry. Ditto FIFA. It may well work in getting more money, but I don’t agree with the idea of guaranteed participation in any tournament. You have to qualify. What next? Nobody is allowed to knock out any of the big clubs until the quarter finals no matter what the results of the matches they play. How about each of the big clubs take it in turns to win the new league and nobody else is allowed to.
There is still relegation from the PL, there is still a need to perform each year to get into the CL. The new model will see Liverpool and Spurs qualifying for next season, despite their poor performance this year and one or two of the other teams above them missing out. Obviously that’s assuming the clubs who form this are still allowed in the domestic leagues. The key part is that there is a risk or benefit to every club in every league apart from this one.
The reality is as I’ve posted before. It’s a negotiating tactic to get more money. You might not like UEFA, it’s far from perfect, but it does apply checks and controls to what would otherwise be a lawless industry. Ditto FIFA. It may well work in getting more money, but I don’t agree with the idea of guaranteed participation in any tournament. You have to qualify. What next? Nobody is allowed to knock out any of the big clubs until the quarter finals no matter what the results of the matches they play. How about each of the big clubs take it in turns to win the new league and nobody else is allowed to.
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