The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 19]
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ChocolateFrog said:
Meh, can't say I'm that bothered. Still love the club, always will.
People fear change, all this talk of taking the Liver Bird and 6 stars off the shirt is a quite hilarious overreaction.
There's no need for those of you leaving us to announce your departure.
It's not "hilarious overreaction", more that you can't comprehend feeling the same way about the club. I totally understand there are different types of supporter but don't insult those who feel more strongly about this issue than you do. Someone saying they'll stop supporting after nearly 50 years of being a supporter is not something they would necessarily ever have thought possible.People fear change, all this talk of taking the Liver Bird and 6 stars off the shirt is a quite hilarious overreaction.
There's no need for those of you leaving us to announce your departure.
If they withdraw from UEFA competition, UEFA will put pressure on the PL to kick them out of the PL (the clubs think they can just bulldoze their way through this and everything else stay the same). That doesn't leave them many interesting games to play in. If in the finer detail, this does generate more money "for the wider pyramid" as they're claiming, that's a different prospect - but there's no evidence yet that will be the case, so they need to back that up pretty damn quick.
Pommy said:
I am not sure they will happen all the time and there'll be enough teams to feel the rotation. For instance, let's say 3 matches in a row consist of Atletico, Inter and then Spurs. That feels a lot more to look forward to than Norwich in the FA Cup, then Lyon in the CL group stage followed by WBA in the League Cup.
It really doesn't to me. What's at stake for the winner or loser? Nothing, except a new trophy - which has limited value as only those big wealthy clubs that formed a private club will ever win it.I'd rather see us playing WBA in the league cup with a chance to see a couple of youngsters getting some experience in the first team.
So do I. Pretty sure I will, if this goes the way it looks like it might. I saw a Spurs fan this morning saying how they've won very little in his lifetime, and yet buy their way into Europe's elite like this. He's disgusted.
There's Klopp talking about the importance of getting in the CL - and there's the management saying "we don't want to play in the CL anymore - we want this closed shop with our rich mates". Talk about pulling the rug from under their feet. Not sure how tonight will go now.
There's Klopp talking about the importance of getting in the CL - and there's the management saying "we don't want to play in the CL anymore - we want this closed shop with our rich mates". Talk about pulling the rug from under their feet. Not sure how tonight will go now.
bad company said:
I can’t believe the number of lifelong Man U, Citee, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool fans all threatening to disown their clubs.
As a West Ham supporter I don’t have that decision to make.
Hope you all have the bottle to go through with it.
You'd be happy to say do a Leicester and win the league, but not be able to play the "top" European clubs because they're in a private league? Or you'd be happy to play in the FA cup or League Cup without any of the "top" teams?As a West Ham supporter I don’t have that decision to make.
Hope you all have the bottle to go through with it.
Flip Martian said:
It's not "hilarious overreaction", more that you can't comprehend feeling the same way about the club. I totally understand there are different types of supporter but don't insult those who feel more strongly about this issue than you do. Someone saying they'll stop supporting after nearly 50 years of being a supporter is not something they would necessarily ever have thought possible.
If they withdraw from UEFA competition, UEFA will put pressure on the PL to kick them out of the PL (the clubs think they can just bulldoze their way through this and everything else stay the same). That doesn't leave them many interesting games to play in. If in the finer detail, this does generate more money "for the wider pyramid" as they're claiming, that's a different prospect - but there's no evidence yet that will be the case, so they need to back that up pretty damn quick.
I'm pretty sure all the clubs involved are shareholders in the company that runs the Premier League. If they withdraw from UEFA competition, UEFA will put pressure on the PL to kick them out of the PL (the clubs think they can just bulldoze their way through this and everything else stay the same). That doesn't leave them many interesting games to play in. If in the finer detail, this does generate more money "for the wider pyramid" as they're claiming, that's a different prospect - but there's no evidence yet that will be the case, so they need to back that up pretty damn quick.
So they can't be kicked out.
When I first read it I thought this was a replacement for the EPL rather than European competition. It seems like the proposal is to keep the premier League as is and replace the European competition.
As the scramble to finish "top 4" is pretty dismal as it is it's a great big shrug of the shoulders from me.
NRS said:
bad company said:
I can’t believe the number of lifelong Man U, Citee, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool fans all threatening to disown their clubs.
As a West Ham supporter I don’t have that decision to make.
Hope you all have the bottle to go through with it.
You'd be happy to say do a Leicester and win the league, but not be able to play the "top" European clubs because they're in a private league? Or you'd be happy to play in the FA cup or League Cup without any of the "top" teams?As a West Ham supporter I don’t have that decision to make.
Hope you all have the bottle to go through with it.
bad company said:
I’m definitely not at all happy with the Super League proposal and hope it never happens. West Ham have a decent chance of qualifying for the Champions League for the first time this season. If we do I’d obviously like us to be competing against all the top European clubs.
Hey but if you don't, I wouldn't worry, what you need to do is get some American owners and then you can just pay your way in ala Spurs and ArsenalRegarding stopping supporting clubs, I have never said it, not when Glazers bought us and it feels silly to come out and say it, what I will say is, I have 4 mates locally who I go to football with, we all support different clubs and normally go to games via tickets one of us has got from work as all our places have boxes/seats at PL stadiums
They all now have kids who are interested in football and we want to take them to games, so we have been looking at going to our local clubs for some games, we've been discussing now all getting ST's instead, the clubs need our support as do our local shops and pubs etc
I don't know we'd ever stand in the pub and proudly pronounce " I no longer support Manchester Utd" but just spend my time and money in a better way
Apologies for the OT Liverpool fans, nice to see the majority of fans in agreement across all the threads though
JeffreyD said:
I'm pretty sure all the clubs involved are shareholders in the company that runs the Premier League.
So they can't be kicked out.
When I first read it I thought this was a replacement for the EPL rather than European competition. It seems like the proposal is to keep the premier League as is and replace the European competition.
As the scramble to finish "top 4" is pretty dismal as it is it's a great big shrug of the shoulders from me.
The clubs WANT to replace the CL with this, and stay in the PL. The PL have already come out and said they are dead set against this ever happening. Those 6 are only 6 members of the PL. They can still be out voted. So yes they can be kicked out. And should be.So they can't be kicked out.
When I first read it I thought this was a replacement for the EPL rather than European competition. It seems like the proposal is to keep the premier League as is and replace the European competition.
As the scramble to finish "top 4" is pretty dismal as it is it's a great big shrug of the shoulders from me.
anonymous said:
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Er no! Isn't this the underlying subtext - once you're locked in you're locked in, it's protectionism against more petroslaverycorruption money coming in and taking away success from traditional clubs whose success has a much closer relationship with their fans.
The most obnoxious element for me is that by locking out new dodgy money the clubs are also holding their noses about the financial cheats that have undermined the game to the extent that normal sensible fan-oriented (in the loosest sense of the word) clubs think this is the best long-term response.
I suppose the silver lining is that it's merely UEFA's failure to deal with FFP cheats coming home to roost and it's the corrupt UEFA and FIFA that will bear the brunt.
I thought Neville was a bit OTT last night, but the more I think about it the more I hope we end this season crowning either Leicester or West Ham Champions.
paulrockliffe said:
Er no!
Isn't this the underlying subtext - once you're locked in you're locked in, it's protectionism against more petroslaverycorruption money coming in and taking away success from traditional clubs whose success has a much closer relationship with their fans.
Its 15 I think with 5 floaters by all accountsIsn't this the underlying subtext - once you're locked in you're locked in, it's protectionism against more petroslaverycorruption money coming in and taking away success from traditional clubs whose success has a much closer relationship with their fans.
But much like the UEFA croneyism that the supporters of this league are keen to denounce you can easily envisage a scenario where if the "right" people buy a club then they would be allowed to pay their way in (I would imagine qualifying as "Right" is being a good ole US of A boy)
Pretty indicative of the financial greed that permeates the top level of football - governing bodies (FIFA, UEFA, EPL, etc), the top clubs, the players and the agents.
I think most of the threats from FIFA/UEFA/EPL will come to nothing as the clubs lawyers will already have looked at the potential implications and have plans to address.... for example, I very much doubt the EPL could simply evict the respective clubs and FIFA threatening to stop players representing their National teams is bluster.
The reality is this is just a power struggle between the top clubs and UEFA.
I personally don't see it happening - the negative backlash is too broad. Though when the dusts settles the clubs will probably end up getting a bigger slice of the pie from the European competitions.
I think most of the threats from FIFA/UEFA/EPL will come to nothing as the clubs lawyers will already have looked at the potential implications and have plans to address.... for example, I very much doubt the EPL could simply evict the respective clubs and FIFA threatening to stop players representing their National teams is bluster.
The reality is this is just a power struggle between the top clubs and UEFA.
I personally don't see it happening - the negative backlash is too broad. Though when the dusts settles the clubs will probably end up getting a bigger slice of the pie from the European competitions.
anonymous said:
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Yep, I've always had a 'second' team in the lower leagues, as my late father was a lifelong Brentford fan, and I used to go with him back in the 70's thru early 90's until he got too ill to go to footie, and so I started to go to footie with my mates more, but they were all Arsenal fans, hence me falling into the Arsenal fan thing.Still kept an eye on the Bees from a nostalgia point of view and have tried to get to at least one game a season, gutted never got to say farewell to old Griffin Park.
Its still an old fashioned football club with a footie fan owner that happens to also be a good businessman, and he's taken the club along very well in the recent decade.
I'll certainly be transferring more of my support over to the Bees from now on. Heck, its even easier to get to now since moving out of London, and a season ticket in the posh seats is 'only' 500 notes as well, which given I'll be retiring in a couple of years time, is another consideration.
Its highly likely I have already been to the Emirates for the last time.
SydneyBridge said:
"Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have sacked Jose Mourinho after an ‘explosive' morning where he refused to take players onto the training ground over the club’s proposed European Super League admission'
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ks. Mourinho found the perfect way to get paid out and leave like he always does.Bet you he rocks up at one of the clubs in the 12
Pommy said:
SydneyBridge said:
"Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have sacked Jose Mourinho after an ‘explosive' morning where he refused to take players onto the training ground over the club’s proposed European Super League admission'
bks. Mourinho found the perfect way to get paid out and leave like he always does.Bet you he rocks up at one of the clubs in the 12
aeropilot said:
Yep, I've always had a 'second' team in the lower leagues, as my late father was a lifelong Brentford fan, and I used to go with him back in the 70's thru early 90's until he got too ill to go to footie, and so I started to go to footie with my mates more, but they were all Arsenal fans, hence me falling into the Arsenal fan thing.
Still kept an eye on the Bees from a nostalgia point of view and have tried to get to at least one game a season, gutted never got to say farewell to old Griffin Park.
Its still an old fashioned football club with a footie fan owner that happens to also be a good businessman, and he's taken the club along very well in the recent decade.
I'll certainly be transferring more of my support over to the Bees from now on. Heck, its even easier to get to now since moving out of London, and a season ticket in the posh seats is 'only' 500 notes as well, which given I'll be retiring in a couple of years time, is another consideration.
Its highly likely I have already been to the Emirates for the last time.
Just checked and for Charlton its the same, best seats ST £500 a season or for the local local club its £200 (although that is Vanarama league)Still kept an eye on the Bees from a nostalgia point of view and have tried to get to at least one game a season, gutted never got to say farewell to old Griffin Park.
Its still an old fashioned football club with a footie fan owner that happens to also be a good businessman, and he's taken the club along very well in the recent decade.
I'll certainly be transferring more of my support over to the Bees from now on. Heck, its even easier to get to now since moving out of London, and a season ticket in the posh seats is 'only' 500 notes as well, which given I'll be retiring in a couple of years time, is another consideration.
Its highly likely I have already been to the Emirates for the last time.
Flip Martian said:
JeffreyD said:
I'm pretty sure all the clubs involved are shareholders in the company that runs the Premier League.
So they can't be kicked out.
When I first read it I thought this was a replacement for the EPL rather than European competition. It seems like the proposal is to keep the premier League as is and replace the European competition.
As the scramble to finish "top 4" is pretty dismal as it is it's a great big shrug of the shoulders from me.
The clubs WANT to replace the CL with this, and stay in the PL. The PL have already come out and said they are dead set against this ever happening. Those 6 are only 6 members of the PL. They can still be out voted. So yes they can be kicked out. And should be.So they can't be kicked out.
When I first read it I thought this was a replacement for the EPL rather than European competition. It seems like the proposal is to keep the premier League as is and replace the European competition.
As the scramble to finish "top 4" is pretty dismal as it is it's a great big shrug of the shoulders from me.
It's easy to be cynical and say "that will never happen" (and clearly the 6 believe it won't happen) but with the vast majority of voices coming out against this this morning, I wouldn't bet against it happening.
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