The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 19]

[jammy-git]

epom said:

Pommy said:

SydneyBridge said:

"Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have sacked Jose Mourinho after an ‘explosive' morning where he refused to take players onto the training ground over the club’s proposed European Super League admission'

bks. Mourinho found the perfect way to get paid out and leave like he always does.

Bet you he rocks up at one of the clubs in the 12

Another club cleaned out with massive compensation. Fair play to him, and ya know what ? I hope he does the same to the next club stupid enough to hire him.

Is this a win win for both parties? If he's been sacked for refusing to take training, then surely Jose has broken his contract and unlikely to get a big pay out. At a club where it clearly wasn't working and he was unlikely to be successful any way.

[Flip Martian]

anonymous said:

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My local teams are Girvan FC, who play in the West of Scotland league, or Maybole Juniors (who are actually adults) who play in the West of Scotland League Conference A. Or Ayr United in the Scottish Championship.

I'd watch all 3 rather than watch "LFC Dollars vs Barcelona Galacticos" several times a season.

[Flip Martian]

jammy-git said:

Is this a win win for both parties? If he's been sacked for refusing to take training, then surely Jose has broken his contract and unlikely to get a big pay out. At a club where it clearly wasn't working and he was unlikely to be successful any way.

Yeah I don't get the cynicism in this case. If he's sacked for refusing to do his job he's hardly likely to be in line for compensation, you would think.

[Pommy]

Flip Martian said:

jammy-git said:

Is this a win win for both parties? If he's been sacked for refusing to take training, then surely Jose has broken his contract and unlikely to get a big pay out. At a club where it clearly wasn't working and he was unlikely to be successful any way.

Yeah I don't get the cynicism in this case. If he's sacked for refusing to do his job he's hardly likely to be in line for compensation, you would think.

Ahh, but the club doesn't want to publicise a rebellion of its corporate plans so they will say it's performance related and so have to pay him and he won't want it to be because he's ste but for a moral cause. The news will be his to manipulate.

Not taking 1 training session won't be grounds for dismissal. 7th in league will be.

[jammy-git]

Pommy said:

Flip Martian said:

jammy-git said:

Is this a win win for both parties? If he's been sacked for refusing to take training, then surely Jose has broken his contract and unlikely to get a big pay out. At a club where it clearly wasn't working and he was unlikely to be successful any way.

Yeah I don't get the cynicism in this case. If he's sacked for refusing to do his job he's hardly likely to be in line for compensation, you would think.

Ahh, but the club doesn't want to publicise a rebellion of its corporate plans so they will say it's performance related and so have to pay him and he won't want it to be because he's ste but for a moral cause. The news will be his to manipulate.

Not taking 1 training session won't be grounds for dismissal. 7th in league will be.

What the club write on his dismissal letter and what they leak to the press can be two completely different things.

[Pommy]

jammy-git said:

Pommy said:

Flip Martian said:

jammy-git said:

Is this a win win for both parties? If he's been sacked for refusing to take training, then surely Jose has broken his contract and unlikely to get a big pay out. At a club where it clearly wasn't working and he was unlikely to be successful any way.

Yeah I don't get the cynicism in this case. If he's sacked for refusing to do his job he's hardly likely to be in line for compensation, you would think.

Ahh, but the club doesn't want to publicise a rebellion of its corporate plans so they will say it's performance related and so have to pay him and he won't want it to be because he's ste but for a moral cause. The news will be his to manipulate.

Not taking 1 training session won't be grounds for dismissal. 7th in league will be.

What the club write on his dismissal letter and what they leak to the press can be two completely different things.

This.

He'll get paid

[joshcowin]

I'm confused by all this!

Football hasn't all of a sudden overnight last night become money motivated. We support LFC its business operation are pretty irrelevant and what the owner does is also pretty irrelevant. I care about what happens on the pitch, the club to me is Klopp and his team not FSG and their advisers!

I will always watch Liverpool play and will continue to support them, I could support my local team now but I don't, I support a million Dollar juggernaut instead, why I would now switch to watching and supporting local small town football is beyond me! I've been to maybe 5 games total and they are not as entertaining or emotionally charged as LFC games for me!

Saying all that I do think this new league have underestimated how much the fans are invested in the current European league competition and how much history and value it holds with the fans. But they don't care they replace historic grounds in order fit their financial goals this is just the next step, offer a better higher paid tournament than the existing Uefa one that can be manipulated to increase revenue and adapt to changing audiences!

[Flip Martian]

joshcowin said:

I'm confused by all this!

Football hasn't all of a sudden overnight last night become money motivated. We support LFC its business operation are pretty irrelevant and what the owner does is also pretty irrelevant. I care about what happens on the pitch, the club to me is Klopp and his team not FSG and their advisers!

I will always watch Liverpool play and will continue to support them, I could support my local team now but I don't, I support a million Dollar juggernaut instead, why I would now switch to watching and supporting local small town football is beyond me! I've been to maybe 5 games total and they are not as entertaining or emotionally charged as LFC games for me!

Saying all that I do think this new league have underestimated how much the fans are invested in the current European league competition and how much history and value it holds with the fans. But they don't care they replace historic grounds in order fit their financial goals this is just the next step, offer a better higher paid tournament than the existing Uefa one that can be manipulated to increase revenue and adapt to changing audiences!

Up to now, that "million dollar juggernaut" has been happy to take its place in the pyramid structure, along with every other team in England. Winning, losing, risking income, just as others do.

With this they're basically saying "we don't want to play little teams in Europe any more that are less attractive - we are special and only want to play special teams so we can sell the tv rights and earn more cash. And btw, we also want to carry on in the domestic leagues, which will also be fought out between the 6 of us as we will be guaranteed huge incomes every season".

that is morally bankrupt. And yes, it may seem a stretch to expect million dollar clubs to play fair and think of the rest of the pyramid but ultimately, that's what we've all had up to now. Clubs should NOT be bigger than any league or competition.

[SydneyBridge]

Flip Martian said:

that is morally bankrupt. And yes, it may seem a stretch to expect million dollar clubs to play fair and think of the rest of the pyramid but ultimately, that's what we've all had up to now. Clubs should NOT be bigger than any league or competition.

Absolutely agree, it is a joke. Especially this season when 4 of the 6 'special' teams are not even in the top 4.

[joshcowin]

Flip Martian said:

Up to now, that "million dollar juggernaut" has been happy to take its place in the pyramid structure, along with every other team in England. Winning, losing, risking income, just as others do.

With this they're basically saying "we don't want to play little teams in Europe any more that are less attractive - we are special and only want to play special teams so we can sell the tv rights and earn more cash. And btw, we also want to carry on in the domestic leagues, which will also be fought out between the 6 of us as we will be guaranteed huge incomes every season".

that is morally bankrupt. And yes, it may seem a stretch to expect million dollar clubs to play fair and think of the rest of the pyramid but ultimately, that's what we've all had up to now. Clubs should NOT be bigger than any league or competition.

They own the team, they do what they want unfortunately we are emotionally attached to LFC as an institution and due to its footballing legacy. As fans we will have to separate business and the football we play and have played.

Would I rather watch us play Inter, Barca, Chelse than WBA, Fulham, Norwich, Brentwood. Yes I would, would I want it to be at the detriment to those smaller teams, NO but that's for the people who are risking/spending £100's of millions to decide not me.

Players are bigger than the managers due to the sums of money involved, so a collection of clubs of course will effect change on the leagues they are present in!

For clarity I think its crap, I don't want to watch us play Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, or even United anymore than we do now, too much of a good thing!! Tonight's game is what its all about 2 great footballing teams having a right go!

[anonymous-user]

joshcowin said:

They own the team, they do what they want unfortunately we are emotionally attached to LFC as an institution and due to its footballing legacy. As fans we will have to separate business and the football we play and have played.

Would I rather watch us play Inter, Barca, Chelse than WBA, Fulham, Norwich, Brentwood. Yes I would, would I want it to be at the detriment to those smaller teams, NO but that's for the people who are risking/spending £100's of millions to decide not me.

Players are bigger than the managers due to the sums of money involved, so a collection of clubs of course will effect change on the leagues they are present in!

For clarity I think its crap, I don't want to watch us play Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, or even United anymore than we do now, too much of a good thing!! Tonight's game is what its all about 2 great footballing teams having a right go!

The thing is much like Covid where we had several warnings and then got complacement, there have been several things over the years that have had fans frothing and threatening and then ultimately backing down, the question is, is this the one?

It doesn't need mass protests or anything, people just quietly walking away, spending their time locally or at other sports

I know regardless of any ESL stuff none of my summer weekends this year will be really based around football, if we are in the pub and its on great but I have 12 months of actual living to catch up on

[Adam.]

Pommy said:

I am not sure they will happen all the time and there'll be enough teams to feel the rotation. For instance, let's say 3 matches in a row consist of Atletico, Inter and then Spurs. That feels a lot more to look forward to than Norwich in the FA Cup, then Lyon in the CL group stage followed by WBA in the League Cup.

Not to me it doesn’t

First and foremost my love of watching the game comes from the league, from trying to pick up 3 points each Saturday and hoping your rivals drop points, from watching the scrap at the top and the bottom.

The CL is an interesting sideshow that helps you attract good foreign players to the club, great to win of course but secondary to the league every time.

Edited by Adam. on Monday 19th April 12:32

[JeffreyD]

anonymous said:

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It's not really about the match day fans though, is it?

It's about the world wide audience and TV rights.

I am sure they'd much rather that whole stadium was prawn sandwich.

I've revised my opinion since this morning and think the whole thing is pretty disgraceful - whether it goes ahead or not it shows what little regard they have for what I believe they are now calling the "legacy fans"

[Flip Martian]

Adam. said:

Not to me it doesn’t

First and foremost my love of watching the game comes from the league, from trying to pick up 3 points and hoping your rivals drop points, from watching the scrap at the top and the bottom.

The CL is an interesting sideshow that helps you attract good foreign players to the club, great to win of course but secondary to the league every time.

This, every time.

[joshcowin]

anonymous said:

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They do not care, in reality we will watch LFC play, when the players and manager step onto the pitch its all forgotten WBA or Inter Milan I want us to play well and win, couldn't care less if the owners have made £1 or £1Million for that 90 mins!

My local town team is naff and the facilities are not where you want to be spending 2 hrs on a Sat. Gillingham or Dover the the nearest local decent-ish clubs I wont be going their either because I don't care about them. I care about LFC what they have done and what they are going to do!

[jammy-git]

joshcowin said:

Flip Martian said:

Up to now, that "million dollar juggernaut" has been happy to take its place in the pyramid structure, along with every other team in England. Winning, losing, risking income, just as others do.

With this they're basically saying "we don't want to play little teams in Europe any more that are less attractive - we are special and only want to play special teams so we can sell the tv rights and earn more cash. And btw, we also want to carry on in the domestic leagues, which will also be fought out between the 6 of us as we will be guaranteed huge incomes every season".

that is morally bankrupt. And yes, it may seem a stretch to expect million dollar clubs to play fair and think of the rest of the pyramid but ultimately, that's what we've all had up to now. Clubs should NOT be bigger than any league or competition.

They own the team, they do what they want unfortunately we are emotionally attached to LFC as an institution and due to its footballing legacy. As fans we will have to separate business and the football we play and have played.

Would I rather watch us play Inter, Barca, Chelse than WBA, Fulham, Norwich, Brentwood. Yes I would, would I want it to be at the detriment to those smaller teams, NO but that's for the people who are risking/spending £100's of millions to decide not me.

Players are bigger than the managers due to the sums of money involved, so a collection of clubs of course will effect change on the leagues they are present in!

For clarity I think its crap, I don't want to watch us play Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, or even United anymore than we do now, too much of a good thing!! Tonight's game is what its all about 2 great footballing teams having a right go!

For me, Liverpool in the ESL is not the legacy that we've been built on. In my eyes it will be a completely new Liverpool. It may have some of the same staff and/or players, but it contains nothing of the same history that LFC has (or had).

The essence of what the ESL is goes against everything Shankly believed in. It's those same core values, so built in to the very fabric of the club and stadium that made me fall in love with LFC. Without them we're just another soulless team playing for cash.

[Dan_1981]

Problem is I want to watch us play Stoke or West Brom, alongside United, and Everton.

I want to squeeze two or sometimes three games into ten days.

And then every so often I want a big passionate night that has had the build up and the tension and the excitement that comes from Real coming to Anfield or similar.

I don't want super clubs turning up every two weeks, the same every two weeks, being charged £100 plus.


My local teams is Alfreton Town - in the National League North.

Watched Chesterfield alot when I was younger but they're shocking these days

I could venture down the road to Mansfield or Derby... maybe Notts Forest or County....

[Flip Martian]

joshcowin said:

They do not care, in reality we will watch LFC play, when the players and manager step onto the pitch its all forgotten WBA or Inter Milan I want us to play well and win, couldn't care less if the owners have made £1 or £1Million for that 90 mins!

My local town team is naff and the facilities are not where you want to be spending 2 hrs on a Sat. Gillingham or Dover the the nearest local decent-ish clubs I wont be going their either because I don't care about them. I care about LFC what they have done and what they are going to do!

I think the thing is - that a lot of people are reacting to - is that when the team they care about demonstrates it no longer gives a damn about the rest of football, and only thinks about lining its pockets at the expense of everyone not invited to their little club, that is so reprehensible to most, that they react against it. A few years ago, FSG tried to put up ticket prices - they had a rethink after strong fan opinion. I would say the opinion this time is even stronger and more widespread. I've loved LFC for 49 years; if my club decides they don't care about the rest of football, then that's a step too far for me, and for many others. Shanks would be turning in his grave. And I know to a lot of fans that is meaningless given he died 40 years ago, but Spirit of Shankly was named for a reason.

I am interested in what Herr Klopp says. I don't believe he will stick around long enough to coach a team in the Super League.

[type-r]

I am wondering if this will prompt some kind of government intervention? Boris put out a statement last night condeming the move - Neville mentioned football in this country needs regulation. Has the genie left the bottle or can government implement regulation and implement for example compulsory fan voting for any future proposed changes. Make clubs go through a formal review process to prevent such things happening in future?

[Adam.]

Flip Martian said:

I am interested in what Herr Klopp says. I don't believe he will stick around long enough to coach a team in the Super League.

What he thinks of the idea and what he says in public will be two different things ultimately. I don’t think the managers will openly bite the hand that feeds.

Apart from Jose who stood up gallantly for all is little people / got himself fired with the maximum payout before Spurs mathematically failed to get a CL spot and without Kane get tonked by City in the league cup.

Klopp might decide to comment on a slightly unsupportive way, or may stay neutral. And if he finds it very distasteful he will get his agent to make enquiries behind the scenes.