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I don't think he's about to walk away - the club would rather change the players than him, I suspect - but he looked really stressed while sat waiting for the 2nd half to start. Almost like he knew what was likely to happen.
Personally I think if he gets new players in the Summer and next season is still similarly patchy, with people who don't seem to be bothered, he would probably walk then.
Personally I think if he gets new players in the Summer and next season is still similarly patchy, with people who don't seem to be bothered, he would probably walk then.
Drabbesttunic said:
I'm starting to think more and more that Klopp will walk away from this, he just can't seem to get them or it working.
I hope not but wouldn't blame him.
100% he needs to bring in new players to start again. He runs his players into the ground so he needs to renew every couple of years. Hopefully we'll see a lot of changes this summer with a full on onslaught the season after I hope not but wouldn't blame him.
Adam. said:
SydneyBridge said:
That is staggering (obv looks different now)
RowntreesCabana said:
100% he needs to bring in new players to start again. He runs his players into the ground so he needs to renew every couple of years. Hopefully we'll see a lot of changes this summer with a full on onslaught the season after
Footballers are athletes. They shouldn't be getting burned out with effort. The high tempo high press game is common in football now. When so many players are underperforming then it's normal to look at the manager.
Driver101 said:
Footballers are athletes. They shouldn't be getting burned out with effort. The high tempo high press game is common in football now.
When so many players are underperforming then it's normal to look at the manager.
Klopp introduced it, let's see where these sides are in 4 or 5 years. It happened at Dortmund and ran its course. Klopps sides don't have the resources of City, Chelsea or Utd, he needs his first 11 to be hungry and energised, his sides need regular renewal.When so many players are underperforming then it's normal to look at the manager.
RowntreesCabana said:
Klopp introduced it, let's see where these sides are in 4 or 5 years. It happened at Dortmund and ran its course. Klopps sides don't have the resources of City, Chelsea or Utd, he needs his first 11 to be hungry and energised, his sides need regular renewal.
He has a totally different back room team to what he had in Dortmund. And players of course. The "he did 7 years there, its now 7 years here" thing has already been debunked as coincidence. There are too many variables for the same thing to be happening. He also said himself that it was HIM that needed a break at Dortmund - he doesn't feel that now.Flip Martian said:
He has a totally different back room team to what he had in Dortmund. And players of course. The "he did 7 years there, its now 7 years here" thing has already been debunked as coincidence. There are too many variables for the same thing to be happening. He also said himself that it was HIM that needed a break at Dortmund - he doesn't feel that now.
That would mean that Klopp knows what the problems are, if he knew that, they wouldn't be in the position they are now.RowntreesCabana said:
Driver101 said:
Footballers are athletes. They shouldn't be getting burned out with effort. The high tempo high press game is common in football now.
When so many players are underperforming then it's normal to look at the manager.
Klopp introduced it, let's see where these sides are in 4 or 5 years. It happened at Dortmund and ran its course. Klopps sides don't have the resources of City, Chelsea or Utd, he needs his first 11 to be hungry and energised, his sides need regular renewal.When so many players are underperforming then it's normal to look at the manager.
The newer signings are as out of form and struggling as much as the older players. They can't be suffering with burn out.
VVD is too big a loss for Liverpool. He was one of the best defenders in the world prior to his injury. He is now struggling himself and not offering the same leadership. That has filtered through the team.
RowntreesCabana said:
Flip Martian said:
He has a totally different back room team to what he had in Dortmund. And players of course. The "he did 7 years there, its now 7 years here" thing has already been debunked as coincidence. There are too many variables for the same thing to be happening. He also said himself that it was HIM that needed a break at Dortmund - he doesn't feel that now.
That would mean that Klopp knows what the problems are, if he knew that, they wouldn't be in the position they are now.Flip Martian said:
RowntreesCabana said:
Klopp introduced it, let's see where these sides are in 4 or 5 years. It happened at Dortmund and ran its course. Klopps sides don't have the resources of City, Chelsea or Utd, he needs his first 11 to be hungry and energised, his sides need regular renewal.
He has a totally different back room team to what he had in Dortmund. And players of course. The "he did 7 years there, its now 7 years here" thing has already been debunked as coincidence. There are too many variables for the same thing to be happening. He also said himself that it was HIM that needed a break at Dortmund - he doesn't feel that now.He will probably say the same at the end of the season - this or next when HE decides to move
clio007 said:
You think Klopp is going to say that HE needs a break midway through a season with his team struggling? That's laughable
He will probably say the same at the end of the season - this or next when HE decides to move
Who's said anything about needing a break halfway through a season? Nobody would ever say that. He was talking about how he felt during his last season at Dortmund and how he doesn't feel that way during the same time frame in his LFC tenure. If he needed a break he wouldn't have signed a contract to 2026. The man had already won everything and doesn't need the money. He will probably say the same at the end of the season - this or next when HE decides to move
As I said earlier today, if he gets his signings this Summer but the team has another patchy season with no improvement, I think he will choose to go.
clio007 said:
Flip Martian said:
RowntreesCabana said:
Klopp introduced it, let's see where these sides are in 4 or 5 years. It happened at Dortmund and ran its course. Klopps sides don't have the resources of City, Chelsea or Utd, he needs his first 11 to be hungry and energised, his sides need regular renewal.
He has a totally different back room team to what he had in Dortmund. And players of course. The "he did 7 years there, its now 7 years here" thing has already been debunked as coincidence. There are too many variables for the same thing to be happening. He also said himself that it was HIM that needed a break at Dortmund - he doesn't feel that now.He will probably say the same at the end of the season - this or next when HE decides to move
Nothing of the sort was said.
By the look of his tan, he’s just had a little break.
Klopp is fine.
The team will be much more effective when we have an effective midfield…. One that doesn’t allow Grealish to dribble across the middle of the park unchallenged time and time again, for example. Or rely on forwards constantly dropping deep to help them out.
Klopp is fine.
The team will be much more effective when we have an effective midfield…. One that doesn’t allow Grealish to dribble across the middle of the park unchallenged time and time again, for example. Or rely on forwards constantly dropping deep to help them out.
Flip Martian said:
I don't think he's about to walk away - the club would rather change the players than him, I suspect - but he looked really stressed while sat waiting for the 2nd half to start. Almost like he knew what was likely to happen.
Personally I think if he gets new players in the Summer and next season is still similarly patchy, with people who don't seem to be bothered, he would probably walk then.
I'd change the players over him too, I just hope he gets what he thinks he needs and it works.Personally I think if he gets new players in the Summer and next season is still similarly patchy, with people who don't seem to be bothered, he would probably walk then.
One of our most frustrating seasons for a long time
Drabbesttunic said:
I'd change the players over him too, I just hope he gets what he thinks he needs and it works.
One of our most frustrating seasons for a long time
At least for the season before last we could blame it on Virgil being injured and then most of our CBs and that totally nobbling the way the team's effectiveness. This season it seems to be more a mental fatigue thing. "we came so close to winning all 4 trophies but didn't". I still don't quite understand how that has effected us so badly this season. Frustrating and puzzling.One of our most frustrating seasons for a long time
On the plus side, at least Klopp has finally shown he will substitute Salah if he's not playing well; I was beginning to think he had a "no subbing" clause in his contract...
RowntreesCabana said:
Klopp introduced it, let's see where these sides are in 4 or 5 years. It happened at Dortmund and ran its course. Klopps sides don't have the resources of City, Chelsea or Utd, he needs his first 11 to be hungry and energised, his sides need regular renewal.
Klopp invented pressing? I’ve read some utter bobbins in my time but that’s right up there. Poch was doing it before Klopp was even here, the view of the saints coaches were that you needed 3 lungs to play in his team. Yet you don’t hear such outlandish statements from them do you?
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