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unident said:
Overall the quality of this tournament hasn’t been great. Missed penalties galore, teams playing not to lose, rather than win, tea,s trying to hold on to a 1 goal lead for ridiculous amounts of time, rather than finish opponents off. There have been exceptions and the odd decent match, but it’s not great.
I wonder how much the amount going through vs being knocked out means teams just trying to do the bare minimum to squeeze through.
Strange, as more teams than ever can go through with the additional 4 best placed teams 3rd in the group. I wonder how much the amount going through vs being knocked out means teams just trying to do the bare minimum to squeeze through.
I think it’s more that international football isn’t what it used to be.......
Edited by tighnamara on Saturday 19th June 23:15
type-r said:
Joachim Low must be scratching his balls wondering how Germany didn't get a sniff in the first match.
I've been thinking I've been watching alternate reality games... Though maybe it's because I've only been paying half attention... I thought Germany looked dangerous against France. Attacking intent and quick purposeful passing. I didn't see France as being dramatically superior and the own goal flattered them. So the Portugal game was no surprise. (Ronaldo is far and away the key for that team. I'm more a Messi fan, but seeing what CR does for Portugal I can see that argument).
Equally Sterling as MotM in England's first was a joke. If he'd fluffed the goal (and he was close to doing so) he'd have been getting pelters from pundits. So our dire performance against Scotland was no surprise.
Hungary were unlucky to be drawn in the group they were.
unident said:
Overall the quality of this tournament hasn’t been great. Missed penalties galore, teams playing not to lose, rather than win, tea,s trying to hold on to a 1 goal lead for ridiculous amounts of time, rather than finish opponents off. There have been exceptions and the odd decent match, but it’s not great.
I wonder how much the amount going through vs being knocked out means teams just trying to do the bare minimum to squeeze through.
The group stages are nearly always a bit like this. Although 2 wins gets you through, not losing will probably do too with this format, so first priority is not to lose. If you win the first game , draws are then more than enough. I wonder how much the amount going through vs being knocked out means teams just trying to do the bare minimum to squeeze through.
Cliffe60 said:
The group stages are nearly always a bit like this. Although 2 wins gets you through, not losing will probably do too with this format, so first priority is not to lose. If you win the first game , draws are then more than enough.
Correct, and I wonder if Southgate has built that into his selections and tactics? You know: play safe against Croatia and Scotland, avoid defeat and progress. If so, might we see a more attacking approach against the Czechs?Brave Fart said:
Cliffe60 said:
The group stages are nearly always a bit like this. Although 2 wins gets you through, not losing will probably do too with this format, so first priority is not to lose. If you win the first game , draws are then more than enough.
Correct, and I wonder if Southgate has built that into his selections and tactics? You know: play safe against Croatia and Scotland, avoid defeat and progress. If so, might we see a more attacking approach against the Czechs?smn159 said:
Brave Fart said:
Cliffe60 said:
The group stages are nearly always a bit like this. Although 2 wins gets you through, not losing will probably do too with this format, so first priority is not to lose. If you win the first game , draws are then more than enough.
Correct, and I wonder if Southgate has built that into his selections and tactics? You know: play safe against Croatia and Scotland, avoid defeat and progress. If so, might we see a more attacking approach against the Czechs?Brave Fart said:
Correct, and I wonder if Southgate has built that into his selections and tactics? You know: play safe against Croatia and Scotland, avoid defeat and progress. If so, might we see a more attacking approach against the Czechs?
Southgate is a very average manager in charge of a good, not great team. We are nowhere near the level needed to challenge for the top teams in the Euro's. It was always going to be the way for such a boring and limited coach to play for bore draws. I cannot wait to see the back of the muppet. TTmonkey said:
Will they back off their main players and save energy and avoid injury? Could be less aggressive than normal.
Perhaps they could start Chiesa and Belotti , both came on as subs in the first match , so they are the 2nd choice frontline .I'm a fan of Chiesa , reckoned to have been star of a poor Juventus this season .
Also a fan of Lorenzo Insigne .
Noticed two similar goals in Germany v Portugal.
Defending team wins possession just outside their own box. Two strikers on halfway ( in own half),roughly either side of the circle.
Striker A runs left making sure he stays inside.
Striker B runs much quicker / earlier not caring about offside, he’s not getting the ball.
Striker A receives ball onside and heads for the goal line.
Striker B loops round is now onside and starts sprinting to goal mouth. Meanwhile the defender realises what’s happening but is now 10 yards behind striker B, and can do nothing to stop a simple tap in.
To my mind, the attacking side has benefitted from a player in an offside position by pulling defenders out of position.
Any views?
Defending team wins possession just outside their own box. Two strikers on halfway ( in own half),roughly either side of the circle.
Striker A runs left making sure he stays inside.
Striker B runs much quicker / earlier not caring about offside, he’s not getting the ball.
Striker A receives ball onside and heads for the goal line.
Striker B loops round is now onside and starts sprinting to goal mouth. Meanwhile the defender realises what’s happening but is now 10 yards behind striker B, and can do nothing to stop a simple tap in.
To my mind, the attacking side has benefitted from a player in an offside position by pulling defenders out of position.
Any views?
ddom said:
Brave Fart said:
Correct, and I wonder if Southgate has built that into his selections and tactics? You know: play safe against Croatia and Scotland, avoid defeat and progress. If so, might we see a more attacking approach against the Czechs?
Southgate is a very average manager in charge of a good, not great team. We are nowhere near the level needed to challenge for the top teams in the Euro's. It was always going to be the way for such a boring and limited coach to play for bore draws. I cannot wait to see the back of the muppet. The job is 90% man management and motivation and 10% everything else like tactical nous.
Would you be motivated by Southgate?
Or put it another way do you think Klopp and Pep are tactical geniuses with their 433 formations?
Cliffe60 said:
Noticed two similar goals in Germany v Portugal.
Defending team wins possession just outside their own box. Two strikers on halfway ( in own half),roughly either side of the circle.
Striker A runs left making sure he stays inside.
Striker B runs much quicker / earlier not caring about offside, he’s not getting the ball.
Striker A receives ball onside and heads for the goal line.
Striker B loops round is now onside and starts sprinting to goal mouth. Meanwhile the defender realises what’s happening but is now 10 yards behind striker B, and can do nothing to stop a simple tap in.
To my mind, the attacking side has benefitted from a player in an offside position by pulling defenders out of position.
Any views?
Its always been an grey area rule which I think was updated recently to lean more towards actively trying to play the ball in an offside position rather than just being offside. Defending team wins possession just outside their own box. Two strikers on halfway ( in own half),roughly either side of the circle.
Striker A runs left making sure he stays inside.
Striker B runs much quicker / earlier not caring about offside, he’s not getting the ball.
Striker A receives ball onside and heads for the goal line.
Striker B loops round is now onside and starts sprinting to goal mouth. Meanwhile the defender realises what’s happening but is now 10 yards behind striker B, and can do nothing to stop a simple tap in.
To my mind, the attacking side has benefitted from a player in an offside position by pulling defenders out of position.
Any views?
But I agree, there are many instances when a played offside could be argued is gaining an advantage being in an offside position. In an extreme case an attacking player can go hide by the corner flag and be 20 yards offside, As a defender you will still have to position yourself to factor in that the attacker can quickly get back onside and be a threat so in effect will always be interfering with play indirectly.
Ive always felt goalkeepers are hard done by. Goalkeepers not only have to worry about the shot coming at them but also position themselves on other potential attackers around the goal area. There have been a couple obvious goals disallowed recently with opposing players obstructing the goalkeepers view in an offside position but even being remotely near the goal area in an offside position will likely be interfering as goalkeepers will have to factor in the possibility of that player either being passed to or getting to a rebound.
PaulWoof said:
Cliffe60 said:
Noticed two similar goals in Germany v Portugal.
Defending team wins possession just outside their own box. Two strikers on halfway ( in own half),roughly either side of the circle.
Striker A runs left making sure he stays inside.
Striker B runs much quicker / earlier not caring about offside, he’s not getting the ball.
Striker A receives ball onside and heads for the goal line.
Striker B loops round is now onside and starts sprinting to goal mouth. Meanwhile the defender realises what’s happening but is now 10 yards behind striker B, and can do nothing to stop a simple tap in.
To my mind, the attacking side has benefitted from a player in an offside position by pulling defenders out of position.
Any views?
Its always been an grey area rule which I think was updated recently to lean more towards actively trying to play the ball in an offside position rather than just being offside. Defending team wins possession just outside their own box. Two strikers on halfway ( in own half),roughly either side of the circle.
Striker A runs left making sure he stays inside.
Striker B runs much quicker / earlier not caring about offside, he’s not getting the ball.
Striker A receives ball onside and heads for the goal line.
Striker B loops round is now onside and starts sprinting to goal mouth. Meanwhile the defender realises what’s happening but is now 10 yards behind striker B, and can do nothing to stop a simple tap in.
To my mind, the attacking side has benefitted from a player in an offside position by pulling defenders out of position.
Any views?
But I agree, there are many instances when a played offside could be argued is gaining an advantage being in an offside position. In an extreme case an attacking player can go hide by the corner flag and be 20 yards offside, As a defender you will still have to position yourself to factor in that the attacker can quickly get back onside and be a threat so in effect will always be interfering with play indirectly.
Ive always felt goalkeepers are hard done by. Goalkeepers not only have to worry about the shot coming at them but also position themselves on other potential attackers around the goal area. There have been a couple obvious goals disallowed recently with opposing players obstructing the goalkeepers view in an offside position but even being remotely near the goal area in an offside position will likely be interfering as goalkeepers will have to factor in the possibility of that player either being passed to or getting to a rebound.
The rule is ill defined IMO, and when people moan about VAR for offside calls it's usually the rule they're bemoaning. It could do with defining better IMO.
Cliffe60 - are you referring to Ronaldo's? I don't think that was offside at all. It also wasn't clear from your description...but a player cannot be offside in his own half.
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