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ajprice said:
aston80 said:
sim72 said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but it does appear it might be better to finish 2nd in our group.
Winner plays 2nd in Group F (France, Germany, Portugal)
2nd place plays 2nd in Group E (Spain, Sweden , Poland)
Just bonkers. How do France, Germany and Portugal end up in the same group?Winner plays 2nd in Group F (France, Germany, Portugal)
2nd place plays 2nd in Group E (Spain, Sweden , Poland)
Just make everything random.
ChocolateFrog said:
Pretty embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a goalless draw that hard.
Calm down lads, you're still not qualifying.
All week, the Scots have had to listen to the English yelling how many they're going to thrash them by. The respective first round performances encouraged that feeling ten fold as the media started the "It's Comin' Home" sCalm down lads, you're still not qualifying.
t all over again and the fans lapped it up.Stevie Clarke was brave tonight picking an only-just-fit Tierney in his starting XI along with giving a debut to Billy Gilmour and playing both Dykes & Adams up top. Tonight was a fantastic result, would have been perfect if we could have nicked a goal and taken the win but quite frankly, Scotland after tonight's performance have every right to celebrate however they want, they deserved it.
So then, it's the Czech Republic on Tuesday night so who would YOU pick as your starting XI?
I'll kick off with....
GK: Pickford
RB: Trippier
CB: Stones
CB: Mings
LB: Chilwell
DM: Phillips
RAM: Sancho
AM: Mount
AM: Foden
LAM: Grealish
CF: Kane
I'd give Kane 45 minutes to get his mojo back playing with some quality around him but if it doesn't work, I'd hoik him off and replace with DCL. Absolutely no point taking players if you aren't going to use them.
I'll kick off with....
GK: Pickford
RB: Trippier
CB: Stones
CB: Mings
LB: Chilwell
DM: Phillips
RAM: Sancho
AM: Mount
AM: Foden
LAM: Grealish
CF: Kane
I'd give Kane 45 minutes to get his mojo back playing with some quality around him but if it doesn't work, I'd hoik him off and replace with DCL. Absolutely no point taking players if you aren't going to use them.
unident said:
This whole discussion about the style of play and the manager makes no sense to me. England played exactly how most of the PL teams do now. Boringly. It’s tippy, tappy sideways, backwards possession at all costs football no matter who the opposition.
England vs Brazil? Tippy tappy sideways & backwards
England vs Gibraltar? tippy tappy sideways & backwards
Any top 6 PL team vs any other PL team? Tippy tappy sideways & backwards
Any top 6 PL team vs non-league cloggers in the FA Cup? Tippy tappy sideways & backwards
It’s all about possession and nothing to do with scoring. Spain started it and they’ve now mastered it with an exceptional 81% possession and only 3 shots in a fantastic 0-0 draw.
I've seen you comment on this several times before but not replied but this time, I will.England vs Brazil? Tippy tappy sideways & backwards
England vs Gibraltar? tippy tappy sideways & backwards
Any top 6 PL team vs any other PL team? Tippy tappy sideways & backwards
Any top 6 PL team vs non-league cloggers in the FA Cup? Tippy tappy sideways & backwards
It’s all about possession and nothing to do with scoring. Spain started it and they’ve now mastered it with an exceptional 81% possession and only 3 shots in a fantastic 0-0 draw.
In itself, "tippy tappy sideways & backwards" football isn't the worst thing UNLESS you do it for the sake of it which nowadays a lot of teams seem to do. I watched Tottenham do it several times last season and it's bloody infuriating, even more so when a while later, a FB hits a 60 yard diagonal to Son who then sets up Kane for a goal. Lads, lads, why didn't you do that 15 minutes before?
I watch a lot of live Premier League 2 and U18 Premier League football and it's not as bad down there. Teams transition a lot quicker, or seem to anyway, so one can only hope that this is a temporary change of system & that when the next lot come through, or tippy tappy teams stop winning stuff, matches will become better spectacles.
RichB said:
Brave Fart said:
We're through to the last 16 anyway...
Is that correct though? If we lose by a few goals to the Czechs and Scotland win by a few goals against Croatia, The Czechs will win the group with 7 points and Scotland would go above England on goal difference into 2nd place. unident said:
That’s as a spoof a performance from France as it was from England last night. Another load of sideways tippy tappy ste. Loads of possession without any real threat of scoring. I think they had one attempt after equalising.
Did you notice the method by which France equalised too? te. Loads of possession without any real threat of scoring. I think they had one attempt after equalising. TEKNOPUG said:
How was that not a penalty? 
Last minute VAR choked. 
Brave Fart said:
If I recall last night's game correctly, wasn't Joe Allen's challenge that led to Italy's goal a silly lunge when his opponent was facing away from the Wales goal? Players seem too happy to dive in, rather than stand up and be patient.
Led directly to the free kick that Pessina flicked in. Needless challenge, just stand up and jockey. Allen was poor yesterday, I thought, showed a lack of experience (of all things!!).
unident said:
The build up to the Denmark game is completely unwatchable. Micah Richards is garbage. All he does is laugh loudly and shout, followed by some useless comment. Add in Alex Scott and it’s pure car crash TV, but not in a watchable, funny way.
TBH, I don't mind Alex Scott but Micah Richards is best suited to the light hearted stuff; is "Road To Wembley" was quite good as he bounces off Roy Keane quite well. Thanks for the warning though, will switch on when the game starts...
It seems the reason why Mount & Chilwell are self-isolating is nothing to do with the post-match on-the-field stuff with Gilmour. It's to do with a 25 minute conversation they had in the tunnel area after the game. There's always been this 15 minute "limit" on being near to other people that if you exceed it, it increases your risk of infection. So Steve Clarke's hug, everyone's hugs for Gilmour in fact, don't count but the England pair spent too long with him.
Not my rules, but that's how I'm reading them.
Not my rules, but that's how I'm reading them.
Brave Fart said:
GloverMart said:
It seems the reason why Mount & Chilwell are self-isolating is nothing to do with the post-match on-the-field stuff with Gilmour. It's to do with a 25 minute conversation they had in the tunnel area after the game. There's always been this 15 minute "limit" on being near to other people that if you exceed it, it increases your risk of infection. So Steve Clarke's hug, everyone's hugs for Gilmour in fact, don't count but the England pair spent too long with him.
Not my rules, but that's how I'm reading them.
OK, well that makes a tiny bit more sense I suppose. But does that mean that no other Scotland players have been near Gilmour for any 15 minute period in the Scotland "bubble" then? He must be a really lonely bloke!Not my rules, but that's how I'm reading them.
Murph7355 said:
Made it out of the group, which is a bonus.
But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.
We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).
Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!
Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.
Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.
Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.
Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.
Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).
Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.
Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.
Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.
Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.
I was in a football clubhouse with two tellies watching the Scotland game but from what I glimpsed, think you're pretty much spot on here. But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.
We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).
Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!
Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.
Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.
Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.
Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.
Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).
Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.
Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.
Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.
Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.
One thing I'd add re Kane. As someone pointed out, it was quite unusual for a manager to declare him as the most important player the team had (ie you don't see Guardiola, Klopp etc do the same, they'd say everyone was important!) but now Southgate has said that, he can't very well drop Kane. If he doesn't want to play him now, they'll have to say there is/was an injury and he won't play but to be honest, I'm sure Kane will start every game we stay in this competition, as sadly will Sterling too.
Radec said:
Wasn't he the same ref that helped up a Chelsea player off the ground in the CL final then gave him a yellow.
Nothing wrong with that. It was IIRC Rudiger's nasty challenge on De Bruyne that fractured the Belgian's eye socket. Rudiger, as always, made the most of it and as he was on the ground feigning injury, the ref waited, helped him up then booked him. Only thing wrong with it was that it should have been a red for Rudiger. JmatthewB said:
SCEtoAUX said:
We can beat Germany, I am absolutely certain. Southgate simply has to have the balls to drop his captain.
Pickford ------------------
Walker --- Stones --- Maguire --- Shaw
Saka --- Grealish --- Foden --- Sterling
Sancho
Bellingham
Four defenders and six forwards. Pickford ------------------
Walker --- Stones --- Maguire --- Shaw
Saka --- Grealish --- Foden --- Sterling
Sancho
Bellingham
Interesting.
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