The Official Euro 2020 thread....

[JmatthewB]

So who do you play instead of Mount?

I would go for Rashford but I think he'll play Grealish or even Henderson.

[TCEvo]

simoid said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Southgate said last night that they were waiting for advice from PHE

Yeah, so the FA are taking the decision based on advice as opposed to following orders.

(Countering the suggestion that PHE seem to be favouring Scotland over England).

That's what England's official Tweet said: "This decision has been taken in consultation with PHE".

[Bonefish Blues]

simoid said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Southgate said last night that they were waiting for advice from PHE

Yeah, so the FA are taking the decision based on advice as opposed to orders.

(Countering the suggestion that PHE seem to be favouring Scotland over England).

I rather assumed it was PHS to whom they would turn for their advice. Because politics.

[Antony Moxey]

Bonefish Blues said:

JNW1 said:

JmatthewB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nope, that's not the case. "Clear and obvious" was never to apply to offsides. Only to penalties, red cards, or stuff that is subjective. When VAR was being discussed, and most people were supporting it (I was always against it), offsides were always going to be a binary decision, off or on.

What we have with offsides was always what they said we were going to have.

I still think either the off-side rule needs changing or the way it interacts with VAR needs changing as it is ruining the fan experience.

I'm not sure if the BBC has access to the same frame rates as the VAR refs but in the decision last night the difference in one frame made it impossible to judge where KdB had made contact with the ball when passing it.

I've heard one suggestion of VAR using thicker lines for the last defender and the attackers position, if the lines overlap go with the on-field decision.

IMO the issue with offside is the rule was never created with a view to it being enforced in the way it is with VAR technology. The original idea was always to stop players seeking to gain an advantage but it was never envisaged that several decades later someone with high-tech cameras would be disallowing goals because a tiny part of the attacking player was a few millimetres beyond the last defender. The Lukaku disallowed goal last night was another example of how silly the situation has become; most of him was level with - or even slightly behind - the defender but because a very small part of his foot was in front a free kick was awarded for offside.

Perhaps thicker lines might provide an answer but (again IMO) the benefit of the doubt should always be given to the attacking side - if someone needs to study the pictures for more than a few seconds it's onside in my view!

Just automate the whole lot by putting a sensor in a pocket on F or R of players' shirts. If we can do it for ball-over-line decisions, then the tech's there to be used at top level, shirly?

I've said this before, they all have GPS trackers in their shirts these days, why not use them? It would be irrefutable then, regardless of the position of the player's toe or fingernail, the position of the GPS tracker is what counts and would be absolute.

[sxmwht]

Antony Moxey said:

I've said this before, they all have GPS trackers in their shirts these days, why not use them? It would be irrefutable then, regardless of the position of the player's toe or fingernail, the position of the GPS tracker is what counts and would be absolute.

It's about when the ball is kicked as well.

[Bonefish Blues]

sxmwht said:

Antony Moxey said:

I've said this before, they all have GPS trackers in their shirts these days, why not use them? It would be irrefutable then, regardless of the position of the player's toe or fingernail, the position of the GPS tracker is what counts and would be absolute.

It's about when the ball is kicked as well.

But we know the ball has a sensor, too.

[JmatthewB]

Is a GPS sensor accurate enough when we are talking about millimeters?

[Antony Moxey]

sxmwht said:

Antony Moxey said:

I've said this before, they all have GPS trackers in their shirts these days, why not use them? It would be irrefutable then, regardless of the position of the player's toe or fingernail, the position of the GPS tracker is what counts and would be absolute.

It's about when the ball is kicked as well.

Yep, but you could always put a sensor in the ball. If it's indeterminable then it's the ref's call. Let VAR have a finite time to come to a decision, if they can't then it stays with the onfield decision. It's really not that difficult.

[smn159]

JmatthewB said:

Is a GPS sensor accurate enough when we are talking about millimeters?

No

[Gweeds]

Mad decision about Mount and Chilwell. How no-one from the Scotland team isn’t is a joke.

Remember they’re planning on letting in 2500 ‘VIP’s’ for the final who won’t have to quarantine etc.

[Driver101]

Antony Moxey said:

I've said this before, they all have GPS trackers in their shirts these days, why not use them? It would be irrefutable then, regardless of the position of the player's toe or fingernail, the position of the GPS tracker is what counts and would be absolute.

GPS is not accurate enough.

Even if it was 100% accurate a player could be backing into another player in an offside position and their GPS would show identical locations even though one is clearly off.

[Antony Moxey]

smn159 said:

JmatthewB said:

Is a GPS sensor accurate enough when we are talking about millimeters?

No

It doesn't matter, you work within the tolerances of the equipment you're using.

[Bonefish Blues]

What technology is used for the ball-over-the-line calls?

[Ronstein]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology

[vonuber]

Gweeds said:

Mad decision about Mount and Chilwell. How no-one from the Scotland team isn’t is a joke.

Remember they’re planning on letting in 2500 ‘VIP’s’ for the final who won’t have to quarantine etc.

It's nonsensical, like a lot of the rules.

[Speed 3]

Why don't we just have a bloke running the line with a flag ?

[Driver101]

Antony Moxey said:

smn159 said:

JmatthewB said:

Is a GPS sensor accurate enough when we are talking about millimeters?

No

It doesn't matter, you work within the tolerances of the equipment you're using.

So it doesn't matter if goals are given as onside when they are clearly offside and vice versa just because that's the accuracy of the equipment used?

The simple answer is not to use GPS which isn't accurate enough to be used. It would be better to go back to purely the ref and linesman's judgement.

[57Ford]

Speed 3 said:

Why don't we just have a bloke running the line with a flag ?

Out of the box thinking but I like it. It’s an idea that’s definitely got legs.

[smn159]

Antony Moxey said:

smn159 said:

JmatthewB said:

Is a GPS sensor accurate enough when we are talking about millimeters?

No

It doesn't matter, you work within the tolerances of the equipment you're using.

The best possible accuracy is about 30cm. So a margin of error of about 2 feet per player.

What could go wrong?

[Antony Moxey]

Driver101 said:

Antony Moxey said:

smn159 said:

JmatthewB said:

Is a GPS sensor accurate enough when we are talking about millimeters?

No

It doesn't matter, you work within the tolerances of the equipment you're using.

So it doesn't matter if goals are given as onside when they are clearly offside and vice versa just because that's the accuracy of the equipment used?

The simple answer is not to use GPS which isn't accurate enough to be used. It would be better to go back to purely the ref and linesman's judgement.

Because they won't be 'clearly'. GPS these days is a bit better than a couple of foot in either direction.