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anonymous said:
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Spot on.Whining that it should have been a red gets us nowhere. No ref in the world would have sent Chiellini off for that, let alone one of the best two or three officials in the world. Yes, he got the Jorginho one wrong, giving a yellow instead of a red.
As much as I've admired Southgate throughout the tournament, he got the subs wrong, too late, and then picked three of the youngest players in the team to take pens when he had the experience of other players to take them. If he's going to take the credit for the improvement of the national team, and rightly, he will, that also means he should take the criticism too.
North West Tom said:
Randy Winkman said:
Perhaps this is a thread of its own but will the authorities change the penalty rules again following this tournament to stop keepers jumping around?
No hard feelings from me because it doesn't make much difference in a shootout since the same rules apply for both teams but during the game I feel the balance has been shifted and too many penalties are being missed. Perhaps that's just my imagination?
I thought about this last night. I'm sure in recent times, they banned coming to a complete stop during the penalty run up so you can't dupe the keeper into diving, they placing your shot the other way. It seems that these silly stuttered run ups are a way for player to think they are having a similar effect, but obviously it doesn't work. No hard feelings from me because it doesn't make much difference in a shootout since the same rules apply for both teams but during the game I feel the balance has been shifted and too many penalties are being missed. Perhaps that's just my imagination?
thewarlock said:
Puggit said:
For the Saka neck pull - there are different laws which can be applied. The referee was lazy and applied the simple shirt pull = yellow.
The laws says: "Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off". There is room to argue that the way Saka was pulled down, with his head falling to the ground could be endangering the opponent. Chiellini had no control over whether Saka's head hit the ground or not.
This is a bit of a desperate take on the situation. The laws says: "Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off". There is room to argue that the way Saka was pulled down, with his head falling to the ground could be endangering the opponent. Chiellini had no control over whether Saka's head hit the ground or not.
He pulled his shirt. Very hard, yes.
But he wasn't endangering his opponent any more than in many of the other challenges that took place last night. Any physical challenge could result in a player falling down and banging their head. They're not all red cards.
Cobnapint said:
This. Southgate completely screwed up. Grealish should have been on earlier.
Even Chilwell would have made an impact down the left. Foden would have been useful too.
Why he couldn't see what everybody else could is beyond me.
Mount! I mean wtf.
Foden was injured and not even on the bench, but would agree about Grealish though.Even Chilwell would have made an impact down the left. Foden would have been useful too.
Why he couldn't see what everybody else could is beyond me.
Mount! I mean wtf.
And I was cross when he left out Ward-Prowse from the squad five weeks ago. He'd have been more useful as his club's reliable penalty taker and he would also have done a job at RB rather than Rashford going there. I think Southgate always had that in mind when penalties seemed inevitable but left it purposely late so that Rashford wasn't in an alien position for too long. With JWP on the bench, he could have made that change earlier too.
ninja-lewis said:
272BHP said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Taking a penalty on the training ground in front of 10 people has absolutely no relevance to taking one in front of 30-40 million knowing that if you miss you lose the tournament for your nation.
I think you and a fair few others are being a bit dim here to not realise the two situations are completely different.
Which is why I think there really is only one way to take a penalty in these high pressure situations. I think you and a fair few others are being a bit dim here to not realise the two situations are completely different.
Jog (don't walk) to the penalty spot
Don't look at the keeper.
Pick a corner and don't change your mind
Learn how to disguise your intention and run up (this is where practice and coaching can really help)
Hit it hard and true
Celebrate.
Psychologists call your first two suggestion hastening and hiding. Both are statistically associated with lower chances of scoring a penalty.
https://www.dshs-koeln.de/fileadmin/redaktion/Inst...
It's better to walk confidently in your own time. You can't take it until the referee blows his whistle on any event.
Statistically those who look at the keeper score 76% of the time vs 69% for those who look at the ball. Turning your back on the goalkeeper gives them more clues about where you're going to put it vs walking backwards.
Aiming for the corner doesn't have significant effect on success vs aiming more centrally but it does dramatically increase the risk of missing the goal altogether. More so the higher your aim.
Power shots are less successful than accuracy, especially aiming anywhere but bottom centre. To score your first have to get it on target after all.
The one useful tip is to not change to your mind. Especially in these days of performance analysts who will have reviewed every penalty the goalkeeper has ever faced and highlighted their weaknesses. In the 2008 CL final, Chelsea identified that Edwin Van Dar Sar never went to his right so they instructed the players to shoot to their left. Every one was a goal until Anelka decided to do his own thing and went the other way where VDS saved it.
https://instatsport.com/football/article/penalty_r...
He'd place the ball on the spot, turn his back on the keeper and stand there right by the ball (almost like he was going to backheel it in). The referee would blow his whistle, he'd walk a few steps away from the ball, suddenly turn around, run up and fire it home. Not sure why it was so impressive to watch but it was....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6ZnyzoWzXg
Puggit said:
Uncle John said:
Penelope Stopit said:
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That’s superb!The really funny thing is it spurred Leicester on to win the PL (and because Knockhaert had moved on, not a single Watford fan begrudges them that title).
Bluedot said:
I thought all police costs outside of grounds were funded by the police themselves ?
That's the way I understand it works for league clubs, is it different for the national side ?
Think you are right. The cost used to be borne by the taxpayer but now it's the police themselves and apparently as a result, they are less likely to man these events as highly as before. That's the way I understand it works for league clubs, is it different for the national side ?
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