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slightlyoldgit

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572 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Was it just me or did this all just appear for about 12 hours then get scrubbed from the consciousness of the press?

There seemed to be some hard stats on free school meal white working class children and the effect that other agendas had on their progression, in printed press and during the day on the BBC etc.

But it is all gone like it never got said.

Jag_NE

2,980 posts

100 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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The Sasha Johnson incident went very quiet too…

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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You can find it if you know if was a Commons Education Select Committee report, e.g. (random)
https://www.poandpo.com/news/uk-education-children...


Meanwhile, school kids are being taught a new song for Jun 25. It's not at all worrying


https://twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/14069907...


slightlyoldgit

Original Poster:

572 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Jag_NE said:
The Sasha Johnson incident went very quiet too…
Very true, I would suggest though that the murder or attempted murder of one person is not at the same magnitude of national importance as the possible disenfranchisement of a generation or two of a subsection of our society.

cirian75

4,260 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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grumbledoak said:
You can find it if you know if was a Commons Education Select Committee report, e.g. (random)
https://www.poandpo.com/news/uk-education-children...


Meanwhile, school kids are being taught a new song for Jun 25. It's not at all worrying


https://twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/14069907...
A song for kids?

Listens to the lyrics

Erm....................Why am I getting a Hitler Youth vibe from that song?

Edited by cirian75 on Tuesday 22 June 20:48

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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cirian75 said:
Erm....................Why do I getting a Hitler Youth vibe from that song?
Quite. One way or another it seems to be open season on our kids at the moment. I am not wishing nice things for the perpetrators.

cirian75

4,260 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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grumbledoak said:
cirian75 said:
Erm....................Why do I getting a Hitler Youth vibe from that song?
Quite. One way or another it seems to be open season on our kids at the moment. I am not wishing nice things for the perpetrators.
It has a very Hitler Youth vibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6lpT6e8nAA

Biggy Stardust

6,877 posts

44 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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cirian75 said:
It has a very Hitler Youth vibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6lpT6e8nAA
I was thinking exactly that.

cirian75

4,260 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:
cirian75 said:
It has a very Hitler Youth vibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6lpT6e8nAA
I was thinking exactly that.
Yup, I knew I'd heard thus style of song before somewhere.

Sheepshanks

32,763 posts

119 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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slightlyoldgit said:
Was it just me or did this all just appear for about 12 hours then get scrubbed from the consciousness of the press?

There seemed to be some hard stats on free school meal white working class children and the effect that other agendas had on their progression, in printed press and during the day on the BBC etc.

But it is all gone like it never got said.
It was on the BBC TV news last night and again at lunch-time today - which I thought was quite odd, they pretty well repeated the same package and I can't recall that happening before on different days.

dai1983

2,912 posts

149 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Not sure if those songs are cringe or very sinister.

Waiting to see who the fabricated enemy will be that we'll have to persecute.

slightlyoldgit

Original Poster:

572 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Sheepshanks said:
slightlyoldgit said:
Was it just me or did this all just appear for about 12 hours then get scrubbed from the consciousness of the press?

There seemed to be some hard stats on free school meal white working class children and the effect that other agendas had on their progression, in printed press and during the day on the BBC etc.

But it is all gone like it never got said.
It was on the BBC TV news last night and again at lunch-time today - which I thought was quite odd, they pretty well repeated the same package and I can't recall that happening before on different days.
Not on the Fail or the Beeb web pages now though - I am sure the articles are still up - it is the speed it has gone from ... Story to archive that surprises me.

andy_s

19,400 posts

259 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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The govt are like Spinal Tap, but everything has to go up to 12.

cirian75

4,260 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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dai1983 said:
Not sure if those songs are cringe or very sinister.

Waiting to see who the fabricated enemy will be that we'll have to persecute.
My Nan was a schoolgirl in Nazi occupied Netherlands, the Nazi's did their Youth thing there.

She told my dad and his 3 sisters about the whole thing straight up, nothing hidden.

He's very very angry right now.

Randy Winkman

16,134 posts

189 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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What the flip is this thread about? You can still read the white working class story on the BBC website and why would they keep going on about Sasha Johnson when the police are investigating and she is sick in hospital?

Sheepshanks

32,763 posts

119 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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slightlyoldgit said:
Not on the Fail or the Beeb web pages now though - I am sure the articles are still up - it is the speed it has gone from ... Story to archive that surprises me.
It's on the Familiy & Education tab on the BBC News site. There's also a feature on the UK page about white privilege. The oldest news story on the UK page is 7hrs old, so stuff drops off pretty quickly

sim72

4,945 posts

134 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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I have worked in schools for 20 years and never heard the phrase "white privilege" used.

There are a number of reasons why white working class kids underperform and none of them have to do with the colour of their skin.

Many of them are the responsibililty of the Tory MPs that are using that phrase in their report.

Esceptico

7,467 posts

109 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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sim72 said:
I have worked in schools for 20 years and never heard the phrase "white privilege" used.

There are a number of reasons why white working class kids underperform and none of them have to do with the colour of their skin.

Many of them are the responsibililty of the Tory MPs that are using that phrase in their report.
My experience at school is a bit out of date but I wonder how much has changed. My friends were white working class (until sixth form when they all left). In general my friends didn’t take school that seriously. They were all looking forward to leaving and get jobs (or just looking forward to leaving school!) Education was not highly valued by their parents and other family members and most were not pushed. Most of their parents were poorly educated and not able to give a significant input or direction. Their role models were people who had left and done well in trades (think Harry Enfield’s loads of money). They actively tried to disuade me from going to university.

The phrase “you can lead a horse to water” was apt. I wasn’t sure then and even less now how you deal with that attitude issue. I don’t think it is restricted to white working class. I think working class with roots in Pakistan, Bangladesh or the Caribbean also do poorly.

cirian75

4,260 posts

233 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Esceptico said:
sim72 said:
I have worked in schools for 20 years and never heard the phrase "white privilege" used.

There are a number of reasons why white working class kids underperform and none of them have to do with the colour of their skin.

Many of them are the responsibility of the Tory MPs that are using that phrase in their report.
My experience at school is a bit out of date but I wonder how much has changed. My friends were white working class (until sixth form when they all left). In general my friends didn’t take school that seriously. They were all looking forward to leaving and get jobs (or just looking forward to leaving school!) Education was not highly valued by their parents and other family members and most were not pushed. Most of their parents were poorly educated and not able to give a significant input or direction. Their role models were people who had left and done well in trades (think Harry Enfield’s loads of money). They actively tried to dissuade me from going to university.

The phrase “you can lead a horse to water” was apt. I wasn’t sure then and even less now how you deal with that attitude issue. I don’t think it is restricted to white working class. I think working class with roots in Pakistan, Bangladesh or the Caribbean also do poorly.
Yup, its the working class kids suffering from decades with cuts to education.

Nowt do with the colour their skin.

Its classic divide and conquer.

Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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cirian75 said:
Yup, its the working class kids suffering from decades with cuts to education.

Nowt do with the colour their skin.

Its classic divide and conquer.
I'm not convinced you can pin it on single root causes. There are plenty of kids from those backgrounds that do well.

Parenting and fully emphasising the importance of education are vital. Solid family units. Lack of visible prospects etc.

This is where the "white privelege" narrative is extremely counter productive. As you note, divide and conquer. But it also gives people excuses.