Qatar World Cup. What are your thoughts?

Qatar World Cup. What are your thoughts?

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abzmike

8,427 posts

107 months

Saturday 5th February 2022
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Percy Cushion said:
Thankyou4calling said:

I’ve quite a few distant relatives working as “Slaves” in Qatar. They absolutely lap it up. Work 6 days a week, live in company supplied dormitory accommodation, meals and uniform all included.

They take home £500 a month.
Well that just demonstrates slavery in practice.
Maybe so, but demonstrates the difference between first, second and third world. A lot closer to home staff will come from overseas or rural areas, live in company provided accommodation, work 6 days a week for 2/3/6/9 months at a time before trips home, sending back 80% of thier salary, to fund large extended families, build houses, establish businesses. How do you think large construction projects (outside the UK and interminable over specification), mining, shipping, the cruise and general holiday industries, I could go on, actually work? In the UK in our cosy lives we are incredibly insulated from what actually passes for real life in the rest of the world.

Thankyou4calling

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10,614 posts

174 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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Driver101 said:
Is there a woosh parrot coming for me?

£500 per month for working 6 days a week is a good deal?

Accommodation and food provided, but how can anyone live a life spending £90 per month?

I assume the food and accommodation will reflect the wages.
I’d suggest the vast majority in the UK don’t have £490 a month left over each month after all bills are paid.

No income tax
Full healthcare
No electricity bill
Gas bill
Travel costs are pennies (free to work)
No council tax
Food supplied
Uniform supplies
No water bill
No car costs

It’s a VERY good deal indeed and even with a social activity once a week you can save £400 a month.

In Kenya (other countries are available) MILLIONS sit at the roadside selling fruit, secondhand clothes or bread for £3 a day.

I’m employing tradespeople at present, I’ve 12 working on a house and the wage bill for all is £120 a day TOTAL not each.

Maybe I’m a gang master?

As Mike above says, we mostly haven’t a clue what life’s like for someone in a Third World Country.

There’s no benefit system or safety net, no healthcare provision, pension, no leisure centres or libraries just get up and try and get through that day.

A job in Qatar is a dream.






Edited by Thankyou4calling on Sunday 6th February 05:08

TEKNOPUG

18,976 posts

206 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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You're paying people £10 a day to build you house?

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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Thankyou4calling said:
Driver101 said:
Is there a woosh parrot coming for me?

£500 per month for working 6 days a week is a good deal?

Accommodation and food provided, but how can anyone live a life spending £90 per month?

I assume the food and accommodation will reflect the wages.
I’d suggest the vast majority in the UK don’t have £490 a month left over each month after all bills are paid.

No income tax
Full healthcare
No electricity bill
Gas bill
Travel costs are pennies (free to work)
No council tax
Food supplied
Uniform supplies
No water bill
No car costs

It’s a VERY good deal indeed and even with a social activity once a week you can save £400 a month.

In Kenya (other countries are available) MILLIONS sit at the roadside selling fruit, secondhand clothes or bread for £3 a day.

I’m employing tradespeople at present, I’ve 12 working on a house and the wage bill for all is £120 a day TOTAL not each.

Maybe I’m a gang master?

As Mike above says, we mostly haven’t a clue what life’s like for someone in a Third World Country.

There’s no benefit system or safety net, no healthcare provision, pension, no leisure centres or libraries just get up and try and get through that day.

A job in Qatar is a dream.






Edited by Thankyou4calling on Sunday 6th February 05:08
They aren't in Kenya. They're in Qatar.

£500 per month is a very good deal for working in Qatar?


bad company

18,676 posts

267 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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I reckon Eric has nailed it here. Having said that I’ll probably weaken and watch some matches.


Thankyou4calling

Original Poster:

10,614 posts

174 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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Driver101 said:
They aren't in Kenya. They're in Qatar.

£500 per month is a very good deal for working in Qatar?
I’ve broken it all down for you and you can see that workers are absolutely fine on that money in Qatar.

Thankyou4calling

Original Poster:

10,614 posts

174 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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TEKNOPUG said:
You're paying people £10 a day to build you house?
Yes which is a bit above market rate.

My house keeper is paid £100 a month but lives in.


Edited by Thankyou4calling on Sunday 6th February 15:54

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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Thankyou4calling said:
Driver101 said:
They aren't in Kenya. They're in Qatar.

£500 per month is a very good deal for working in Qatar?
I’ve broken it all down for you and you can see that workers are absolutely fine on that money in Qatar.
It's not fine to be on that money in Qatar. They can't afford to live a life.

It's not fine to have people living for years in dormitory.

Giving a worker a uniform is hardly a massive thing.

Countdown

39,993 posts

197 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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TEKNOPUG said:
You're paying people £10 a day to build you house?
You need to take things like cost of living and purchasing power parity into account.

popegregory

1,444 posts

135 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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Countdown said:
TEKNOPUG said:
You're paying people £10 a day to build you house?
You need to take things like cost of living and purchasing power parity into account.
Are you flying over for one of these ten quid a day jobs?

Countdown

39,993 posts

197 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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popegregory said:
Countdown said:
TEKNOPUG said:
You're paying people £10 a day to build you house?
You need to take things like cost of living and purchasing power parity into account.
Are you flying over for one of these ten quid a day jobs?
If the average salary in the Uk was £1 a day then yes, I would.

That's the thing that some people appear to be missing. Whilst £10/day may not mean a lot to us, for many people in the world it's extremely good pay, and far more than they would earn otherwise.

Thankyou4calling

Original Poster:

10,614 posts

174 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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That’s right Countdown.

I live in Kenya, a police officers salary is 30,000 ksh a month, £200.

So £10 a day for a labourer is decent money and £500 a month tax free plus meals and accommodation in Qatar is phenomenal.

How do people think a newly landed immigrant in the UK gets by on minimum wage? They don’t rent an apartment in Chelsea!

As I’ve said £500 a month in Qatar allows someone to send A LOT of money home and set themselves up for life.

Likewise £10 a day allows you to live fine here in Kenya.

768

13,716 posts

97 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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Cost of living varies around the world, shocker.

Ntv

5,177 posts

124 months

Monday 7th February 2022
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I just object to countries without some kind of decent footballing heritage and grass roots enthusiasm hosting the World Cup

Totally ste.

Against the fans as usual

lrdisco

1,452 posts

88 months

Monday 7th February 2022
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I lived in Qatar for 5 years and I hated the people and awful misogynistic, racist, homophobic laws.
I stuck it out for the money but you never forget you belong to your sponsor.
You can not leave the country without their permission.
Being British or western means nothing. You have no rights.
Fire in Villagio just brushed under the carpet even with 15 toddlers dead.
British teacher raped, murdered and her remains burned. A slap on the wrist for the perpetrator.
Many housemaids beaten and raped. Locking them in whilst their sponsors go away for 2 weeks on holiday.

What about when there was a fire in the Qatar airways female cabin crew accommodation and security tried to push the women back in to die rather than let them into the street in their night gowns. That’s ok though.
Or the CEO who is well known for sexually abusing cabin crew?

All Muslim brothers apart from the workers who have to worship in sweat box mosques or Qatari only mosques. No external signs but very much known.

Go to a mall on a Friday as an Asian male and there’s no chance you will be let in. Or in the old new souque? Beaten just for daring to go there as an Asian male?

A st hole with a mentality from the dark ages.

Ntv

5,177 posts

124 months

Monday 7th February 2022
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lrdisco said:
I lived in Qatar for 5 years and I hated the people and awful misogynistic, racist, homophobic laws.
I stuck it out for the money but you never forget you belong to your sponsor.
You can not leave the country without their permission.
Being British or western means nothing. You have no rights.
Fire in Villagio just brushed under the carpet even with 15 toddlers dead.
British teacher raped, murdered and her remains burned. A slap on the wrist for the perpetrator.
Many housemaids beaten and raped. Locking them in whilst their sponsors go away for 2 weeks on holiday.

What about when there was a fire in the Qatar airways female cabin crew accommodation and security tried to push the women back in to die rather than let them into the street in their night gowns. That’s ok though.
Or the CEO who is well known for sexually abusing cabin crew?

All Muslim brothers apart from the workers who have to worship in sweat box mosques or Qatari only mosques. No external signs but very much known.

Go to a mall on a Friday as an Asian male and there’s no chance you will be let in. Or in the old new souque? Beaten just for daring to go there as an Asian male?

A st hole with a mentality from the dark ages.
With all that said, what did you make of the place? biggrin

clio007

545 posts

226 months

Monday 7th February 2022
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lrdisco said:
I lived in Qatar for 5 years and I hated the people and awful misogynistic, racist, homophobic laws.
I stuck it out for the money but you never forget you belong to your sponsor.
You can not leave the country without their permission.
Being British or western means nothing. You have no rights.
Fire in Villagio just brushed under the carpet even with 15 toddlers dead.
British teacher raped, murdered and her remains burned. A slap on the wrist for the perpetrator.
Many housemaids beaten and raped. Locking them in whilst their sponsors go away for 2 weeks on holiday.

What about when there was a fire in the Qatar airways female cabin crew accommodation and security tried to push the women back in to die rather than let them into the street in their night gowns. That’s ok though.
Or the CEO who is well known for sexually abusing cabin crew?

All Muslim brothers apart from the workers who have to worship in sweat box mosques or Qatari only mosques. No external signs but very much known.

Go to a mall on a Friday as an Asian male and there’s no chance you will be let in. Or in the old new souque? Beaten just for daring to go there as an Asian male?

A st hole with a mentality from the dark ages.
But you were happy to roll in the ££££ and overlook all of that.

Says more about you than anything really.

lrdisco

1,452 posts

88 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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clio007 said:
lrdisco said:
I lived in Qatar for 5 years and I hated the people and awful misogynistic, racist, homophobic laws.
I stuck it out for the money but you never forget you belong to your sponsor.
You can not leave the country without their permission.
Being British or western means nothing. You have no rights.
Fire in Villagio just brushed under the carpet even with 15 toddlers dead.
British teacher raped, murdered and her remains burned. A slap on the wrist for the perpetrator.
Many housemaids beaten and raped. Locking them in whilst their sponsors go away for 2 weeks on holiday.

What about when there was a fire in the Qatar airways female cabin crew accommodation and security tried to push the women back in to die rather than let them into the street in their night gowns. That’s ok though.
Or the CEO who is well known for sexually abusing cabin crew?

All Muslim brothers apart from the workers who have to worship in sweat box mosques or Qatari only mosques. No external signs but very much known.

Go to a mall on a Friday as an Asian male and there’s no chance you will be let in. Or in the old new souque? Beaten just for daring to go there as an Asian male?

A st hole with a mentality from the dark ages.
But you were happy to roll in the ££££ and overlook all of that.

Says more about you than anything really.
You are proabably right but I did do some good by improving the living standards of the labourers who worked under my control.
Better accomodation ,more showers/wc's, free wifi, days out, basket ball hoops, cricket matches and table tennis, safety inductions and training. Everything possible that I could do within the fiancial restraints I was under.
I left the minute I could. I arrived there after suffering a £75,000 fraud loss in the UK and was desperate to look after my family.

Dont forget that the Qatari government owns huge parts of London including the Gerkin building and Harrods. Thats OK though because people dont see the crap in the background.
I went for the money as does everyone out there but if even in a small way I improved the lot of the people I worked with.

Consigliere

293 posts

42 months

Friday 4th March 2022
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If anyone applied for tickets, you should get email confirmation of the outcome next week at some point!

Carl_Manchester

12,257 posts

263 months

Saturday 5th March 2022
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The only tickets I have applied for are the flight tickets to Tenerife to watch it with fellow England fans.