The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]
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TEKNOPUG said:
You seem detached from the financial realities of modern football. If you want success and entertainment, you need better players. If you want better players you need more money to pay for them. CL qualification is worth more than winning the whole EL. Plus increasing the profile of the club, increasing commercial opportunities and attraction to potential signings. Even if Levy pocketed half the revenue, there would still be more to spend on players than playing in the EL. It's like saying you don't want to get promoted from the Championship because we won't win the Prem and the owners will just take all the money......If we were to play in the EL next season, we won't be "giving it a good go", quite the opposite in fact. It will be sidelined in favour of trying to finish in a CL qualifying position in the league. A task made all the harder by having to play a whole load of additional fixtures on a Thursday. You may want to play in the EL, against a load of second rate clubs, in a second rate competition but the players don't or the management or the owners.
I'm not detached from the realities at all, I just know how Levy operates which was the point of my post that you seem to have completely missed. We've earnt lots of money from CL before, we've not used it to go out and buy world beaters. Our record signing is still around the £50m mark, clubs we are competing with have spent £70-£100m on one player. Our wage bill is also well below the clubs we are meant to be competing with.CL is only relevant to me if we win it or use the money to buy world class players, we've done neither.
Edited by Guvernator on Tuesday 16th April 10:48
SWoll said:
As a fan surely football's only purpose is to entertain, so why would you not want to potentially have European nights at your ground against the best teams from across the continent?
Also, didn't you spend nearly £300m on players last summer? Surely most were upgrades on what you already had? VDV, Maddison, Vicario, Johnson etc.
Appreciate you didn't replace Kane, but he did leave late in the window and doing so would have pushed your spending up to £350-£400m in a single window?
Been there, done that for the CL, I've been waiting for Spurs to kick on for decades so forgive me if I sound a little jaded at the prospect of Spurs making up the numbers in the CL again so that Levy can line his pockets some more.Also, didn't you spend nearly £300m on players last summer? Surely most were upgrades on what you already had? VDV, Maddison, Vicario, Johnson etc.
Appreciate you didn't replace Kane, but he did leave late in the window and doing so would have pushed your spending up to £350-£400m in a single window?
Nice try but it was £250m and with the sale of Kane, £150m net. His sale had a large part in why we spent that money in the first place. Also £70m of that was re-signing two players who had already been playing for us for two years as Levy loves his sign a player twice trick.
Much like you lot and the Coutinho money, we've never gone out and spent £250m in one window without recouping money back from somewhere else. Let's hope our Kane money goes as far as Coutinho's who seemingly paid for 3 transfer windows all by himself.
Whatever European football we get next season, regardless of whether it is the CL or the EL, we are going to struggle. The team has already run out of steam this season (and has looked jaded for the last 6-7 games), just like the first season under Poch. The squad is paper thin and we're struggling to cope to finish the season. Could really do without European football next season and get a squad that has the fitness and stamina to operate for an entire league season at the intensity that Ange demands.
Guvernator said:
TEKNOPUG said:
You seem detached from the financial realities of modern football. If you want success and entertainment, you need better players. If you want better players you need more money to pay for them. CL qualification is worth more than winning the whole EL. Plus increasing the profile of the club, increasing commercial opportunities and attraction to potential signings. Even if Levy pocketed half the revenue, there would still be more to spend on players than playing in the EL. It's like saying you don't want to get promoted from the Championship because we won't win the Prem and the owners will just take all the money......If we were to play in the EL next season, we won't be "giving it a good go", quite the opposite in fact. It will be sidelined in favour of trying to finish in a CL qualifying position in the league. A task made all the harder by having to play a whole load of additional fixtures on a Thursday. You may want to play in the EL, against a load of second rate clubs, in a second rate competition but the players don't or the management or the owners.
I'm not detached from the realities at all, I just know how Levy operates which was the point of my post that you seem to have completely missed. We've earnt lots of money from CL before, we've not used it to go out and buy world beaters. Our record signing is still around the £50m mark, clubs we are competing with have spent £70-£100m on one player. Our wage bill is also well below the clubs we are meant to be competing with.CL is only relevant to me if we win it or use the money to buy world class players, we've done neither.
Edited by Guvernator on Tuesday 16th April 10:48
48k said:
. Could really do without European football next season and get a squad that has the fitness and stamina to operate for an entire league season at the intensity that Ange demands.
In an ideal world, yes. Sadly I can't see WH winning 4 of their remaining fixtures. What we need is for Levy to conjure up a 10point deduction 
TEKNOPUG said:
So play in the EL, where we will earn even less money and still not use it to buy world beaters, instead play our reserve team against Bumfuk Qarrabaag on a Thursday night. But that's preferable to playing in the CL because.......
Because that way you might win a trophy for once 
TEKNOPUG said:
So play in the EL, where we will earn even less money and still not use it to buy world beaters, instead play our reserve team against Bumfuk Qarrabaag on a Thursday night. But that's preferable to playing in the CL because.......
As 48k said, I'd rather not play in either of them next year, we aren't ready. The money as I've stated several times is irrelevant to us as fans, whether we earn a little or a lot as long as Levy is in charge. Not sure why that's such a difficult concept to grasp.Sycamore said:
TEKNOPUG said:
So play in the EL, where we will earn even less money and still not use it to buy world beaters, instead play our reserve team against Bumfuk Qarrabaag on a Thursday night. But that's preferable to playing in the CL because.......
Because that way you might win a trophy for once CL = FA Cup
EL = League Cup
EC = Zenith Data Systems Trophy
We're unlikely to win the FA Cup but you at least want to be in it. As for the other 2, most clubs treat them with the contempt they deserve. The gap in commercial reward and participation prestige is so great, as it is between the Prem and rest of the football league.
Guvernator said:
TEKNOPUG said:
So play in the EL, where we will earn even less money and still not use it to buy world beaters, instead play our reserve team against Bumfuk Qarrabaag on a Thursday night. But that's preferable to playing in the CL because.......
As 48k said, I'd rather not play in either of them next year, we aren't ready. The money as I've stated several times is irrelevant to us as fans, whether we earn a little or a lot as long as Levy is in charge. Not sure why that's such a difficult concept to grasp.I'm not sure how having less money to spend on players is likely to improve that situation
Playing European football next season looks a certainty. It's just which flavour of poison you take. Personally, I'll have the one laced with 20year Machallan, rather than a warm tin of Madri or anti-freeze drained from a Yugo
TEKNOPUG said:
We won't win it though because we won't try, for all the reasons already stated.
CL = FA Cup
EL = League Cup
EC = Zenith Data Systems Trophy
We're unlikely to win the FA Cup but you at least want to be in it. As for the other 2, most clubs treat them with the contempt they deserve. The gap in commercial reward and participation prestige is so great, as it is between the Prem and rest of the football league.
As a fan, surely it would be something you'd look forward to and enjoy though? Forgetting about the financial stuff and practicalities for a moment, mid-week European football has always had a habit of delivering some of the most entertaining and memorable matches and the best ground atmosphere.CL = FA Cup
EL = League Cup
EC = Zenith Data Systems Trophy
We're unlikely to win the FA Cup but you at least want to be in it. As for the other 2, most clubs treat them with the contempt they deserve. The gap in commercial reward and participation prestige is so great, as it is between the Prem and rest of the football league.
Beating Inter Milan, Dortmund, City and Ajax on the way to the final in 2018/19 must have left you with some great memories surely?
SWoll said:
TEKNOPUG said:
We won't win it though because we won't try, for all the reasons already stated.
CL = FA Cup
EL = League Cup
EC = Zenith Data Systems Trophy
We're unlikely to win the FA Cup but you at least want to be in it. As for the other 2, most clubs treat them with the contempt they deserve. The gap in commercial reward and participation prestige is so great, as it is between the Prem and rest of the football league.
As a fan, surely it would be something you'd look forward to and enjoy though? Forgetting about the financial stuff and practicalities for a moment, mid-week European football has always had a habit of delivering some of the most entertaining and memorable matches and the best ground atmosphere.CL = FA Cup
EL = League Cup
EC = Zenith Data Systems Trophy
We're unlikely to win the FA Cup but you at least want to be in it. As for the other 2, most clubs treat them with the contempt they deserve. The gap in commercial reward and participation prestige is so great, as it is between the Prem and rest of the football league.
Beating Inter Milan, Dortmund, City and Ajax on the way to the final in 2018/19 must have left you with some great memories surely?
mickk said:
WrekinCrew said:
I'm sure the authorities will be docking City 20 points or more any day now, so we'll be battling Villa for 3rd place.
How long can you hold your breath for?Failing to disclose accurate financial information, breaching UEFA’s financial fair play. Didn't Chelski get a massive fine and transfer ban for that?
Everton got 10 point deduction for one breach of PSR, so that so many points deduction it'll put city down at level 11 in the Manchester League Premier Division
Knowing the FA they'll fine them a few Hundred million and use it for their running costs rather than spend it on the lower leagues.
SWoll said:
Guvernator said:
5th Place CL is anything but guaranteed. Also getting CL for 5th place is rubbish tbh.
Your last paragraph also reads like Levy could have written it. What good is earning £50m if we don't spend it on better players? We've also been in the CL at least 5 or 6 times in the last decade, when have we ever used it to get top talent?
CL is a way for Levy to fill his pockets nothing more. I'm truly not fussed if we get CL or not, especially if we get it by coming 5th.
As a fan surely football's only purpose is to entertain, so why would you not want to potentially have European nights at your ground against the best teams from across the continent?Your last paragraph also reads like Levy could have written it. What good is earning £50m if we don't spend it on better players? We've also been in the CL at least 5 or 6 times in the last decade, when have we ever used it to get top talent?
CL is a way for Levy to fill his pockets nothing more. I'm truly not fussed if we get CL or not, especially if we get it by coming 5th.
Also, didn't you spend nearly £300m on players last summer? Surely most were upgrades on what you already had? VDV, Maddison, Vicario, Johnson etc.
Appreciate you didn't replace Kane, but he did leave late in the window and doing so would have pushed your spending up to £350-£400m in a single window?
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Byker28i said:
mickk said:
WrekinCrew said:
I'm sure the authorities will be docking City 20 points or more any day now, so we'll be battling Villa for 3rd place.
How long can you hold your breath for?Failing to disclose accurate financial information, breaching UEFA’s financial fair play. Didn't Chelski get a massive fine and transfer ban for that?
Everton got 10 point deduction for one breach of PSR, so that so many points deduction it'll put city down at level 11 in the Manchester League Premier Division
Knowing the FA they'll fine them a few Hundred million and use it for their running costs rather than spend it on the lower leagues.
Wonderman said:
I think that describes the proposed brown envelope "luxury tax" idea they had, fine, no points deduction that'll learn them!
As said previously, the severity of points deduction is relative to league position. A 20 point deduction for the bottom 10 would see them relegated. But not for the top 10.A "luxury tax" potentially hurts more, if it is proportional to a club's income/transfer spend/wage bill. I can also understand why the other club's want "compensating". The things that will really hurt all clubs will be things like future transfer bans or wage bills/percentage aligned to the bottom club's income (or similar that has been mooted).
In Citeh's case, even relegating them to the Championship will only be a punishment for a single season. Limiting their spending for 5 years and annual independent auditing would have a far greater effect.
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