The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 11)

[MrBogSmith]

bstb3 said:

MrBogSmith said:

hat picture is where his studs landed, so was the best representation in a still.

I did view the whole video on Twitter (before it was removed for copyright), before coming to that conclusion.

Well if we are playing that game. This tackle from yesterday. Should it be a red too?



Marriner the referee says no and VAR doesn't intervene. Today he sees Casemiro's and intervenes.

See the problem? Maybe if he was on VAR yesterday he intervenes. Maybe. The problem is we don't know, and there is such a complete lack of consistency it's no wonder the players and fans are confused and questioning both their credibility and integrity.

Not quite like for like as I suspect that one didn’t have the out of control element you get with a slide, but any time you end up studs up on someone like that you’re running the risk these days, as everyone knows.

[Jonnny]

MrBogSmith said:

ot quite like for like as I suspect that one didn’t have the out of control element you get with a slide, but any time you end up studs up on someone like that you’re running the risk these days, as everyone knows.

Your OP said, "that's where his studs landed" - so in the above picture, that's where his studs landed.

Why is it not a red?

[MrBogSmith]

Jonnny said:

MrBogSmith said:

ot quite like for like as I suspect that one didn’t have the out of control element you get with a slide, but any time you end up studs up on someone like that you’re running the risk these days, as everyone knows.

Your OP said, "that's where his studs landed" - so in the above picture, that's where his studs landed.

Why is it not a red?

No, I said that was the one picture I showed to represent that tackle.

I didn’t say that was the sole reason for the red.

[P. ONeill]

G-wiz said:

P. ONeill said:

Prayers are with Marcus Rashford tonight after what could have been a career ending injury. To quote Ferguson ‘he could have been killed.’

https://twitter.com/AAudhli/status/163497408949140...

Photoshopped.
Possibly.

https://twitter.com/KopitePodcast/status/163496828...

Edited by P. ONeill on Sunday 12th March 22:26

[Frimley111R]

Adam. said:

Not saying you weren’t hard done by today, but didn’t we have the same ref inconsistencies before VAR?

People analyse them to death because of VAR and what it was supposed to achieve?

People will always over analyse every single decision. Many never quite got their head around that fact that VAR wasn't some perfect automated system, it was just video assistance, nothing more. IMO there are many more correct decisions than before but if a group of people (refs) have to make multiple decisions every game there can never be perfect consistency. It's still way better than it was IMO. Some decisions will be subjective, some will not.

[bstb3]

If they could just restrict themselves to the factual (offside, out of play) and off the ball / referee hasn't seen type incidents then its fine. It seems to go to st mostly when they arbitrarily decide to re-referee decisions the onfield guy has taken. If they would just do away with that part the situation would improve quickly.
edit - or at least only intervene when very clearly the wrong decision is made (has given a penalty when a dive, for example)

Edited by bstb3 on Sunday 12th March 21:02

[Wacky Racer]

Francis (Lee one pen) Lee would have been proud of Rashford's dive

[dickymint]

MrBogSmith said:

bstb3 said:

MrBogSmith said:

If Casemiro could stop getting straight red cards, I think it would improve his game.

Just a minor tweak.

500 games in Europe, no reds. 2 in the EPL so far, same Ref involved in both. Totally coincidental.

Coincidence is often mistaken for causation.

I'd suggest this is more the cause.

Are shin pads made of paper these days

[mko9]

dickymint said:

MrBogSmith said:

bstb3 said:

MrBogSmith said:

If Casemiro could stop getting straight red cards, I think it would improve his game.

Just a minor tweak.

500 games in Europe, no reds. 2 in the EPL so far, same Ref involved in both. Totally coincidental.

Coincidence is often mistaken for causation.

I'd suggest this is more the cause.

Are shin pads made of paper these days

Circles back to the original comment, really. Don't put yourself into red card situations. In that situation, why would you lead with your right foot, which by necessity is going to be a studs up tackle. If he led with the left, he could have swept the ball. Going into someone's shin, regardless of why, is likely going to result in a card. Not suggesting this was deliberate, like other efforts we have all seen over the years. This is a debatable call, but we are only debating it because Casemiro went in studs up.

[MrBogSmith]

dickymint said:

MrBogSmith said:

bstb3 said:

MrBogSmith said:

If Casemiro could stop getting straight red cards, I think it would improve his game.

Just a minor tweak.

500 games in Europe, no reds. 2 in the EPL so far, same Ref involved in both. Totally coincidental.

Coincidence is often mistaken for causation.

I'd suggest this is more the cause.

Are shin pads made of paper these days

The 'dangerous' aspect isn't risk of injury to the shin, it's things like breaking the ankle of the leg that is planted.

Obviously.

[AtomWhore]

Just awaiting an injury to Rashford and we will be really starting to drop down the league imo.

Think its time to intergrate a couple of youngsters and protect others from impending injuries.

[franki68]

Cas was a red card according to how the law is implemented sometimes ,it’s stupid but it’s the law .
The tackle on garnacho was also a red card and a penalty but that wasn’t given nor the other 3 what I thought were quite clear penalties particularly if var was used .
That was a shocking performance by the ref and var people .

[Frimley111R]

Getting back to the team, we lost one player and then just desperately defended against the bottom team. I can't help thinking we lost our st again and it all went to pieces. We lost one player and our mindset just changed. We should have still been much more aggressive against them but treated it like we were playing a top team. We need to be mentally stronger when things get tough...

I guess this is still our development season and so so blips like this will happen but we need to get back to winning form again, consistently.

[GTO-3R]

Got nothing to add other than the standard of refereeing in this country is a joke across the board, not just yesterday. It's beyond inconsistent and for the apparent "best league in the world" it's nowhere near at a good enough standard.

It's time that we are allowed to listen to the discussions between the refs and VAR so we can hear their decision making. It's all very cloak and dagger at the minute.

McTominay and Sabitzer are going to have some big shoes to fill for the next few games.

[franki68]

P. ONeill said:

Prayers are with Marcus Rashford tonight after what could have been a career ending injury. To quote Ferguson ‘he could have been killed.’

https://twitter.com/AAudhli/status/163497408949140...

The dangers of showing one angle ,can make people look foolish .

[GTO-3R]

franki68 said:

The dangers of showing one angle ,can make people look foolish .

Funny that a few more wummers and trolls are back in here after a few years absence. Suggests to me that we're officially back

[bstb3]

GTO-3R said:

McTominay and Sabitzer are going to have some big shoes to fill for the next few games.

Yeah, but I think we can cope. McTominay did quite well yesterday I thought, considering. Not sure what the injury / issue is on Sabitzer, but with McTom, Fred and Mainoo & the option to play Bruno deeper we can probably cover it. The Newcastle game will be tough, but trust Ten Hag to have a plan for it.

International break after next weekend too, so that can hopefully also help to rest a few legs.

[simon800]

I think it was always going to be hard to take the game to Southampton with 10 men. They have lots of pace on the break and looked pretty dangerous.

Some random observations from the game;

- EtH really doesn't fancy McT. Even with no Eriksen, Fred rested, Sabitzer injured he'd rather play Bruno out of position than start McT.

- That said McT did well when he came on

- AwB almost gave away 3 goals being a complete idiot. For all his improvements he's still severely lacking in some departments

- Sancho really hasn't got any better after his rest and is still gassed after 60. Can't see how he can make it if he can't get fitter.....

- Martinez is SO good on the ball, it feels like cheating having him back there. So composed and a brilliant passer.

- Casemiro's passing was miles off before his red, a continuation of that performance vs Liverpool. Maybe the rest does him some good?

- We honestly can't catch a break with decisions. Anything that falls into "I've seen them given" goes against us and for the opposition. The elbow on Martinez in the palace match away, the Caroll season ender on Eriksen, the Southampton handball - all go against us. Yet the Casemiro one vs Palace and yesterday go against us.

[Zoon]

Jonnny said:

Your OP said, "that's where his studs landed" - so in the above picture, that's where his studs landed.

Why is it not a red?

He won the ball cleanly initially, the other player pushed the ball back towards him causing his foot to go over the ball.
Not a red for me.

[Dylano]

franki68 said:

The dangers of showing one angle ,can make people look foolish .

Oh come on, anyone can see there was zero contact and it was a blatant dive which Rashford should have been booked for.

Really strange how any united supporter regardless of how biased can come to any other conclusion than that.