The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 11)

[unident]

Challo said:

Yeah he doesn’t want to be on the bench again. Plus he signed a contract and is stupidly well paid so we will struggle to sell him.

I really want to see him perform well as I think he will replace DeGea

I don’t think we’ll see him in a United shirt again. I’m still torn on DeGea. Phenomenal shot stopper when he needs to be, but his distribution is still worryingly bad and I can’t see how it will improve. That last bit is very worrying when we’ll hopefully be playing a very quick style of football.

[Gone a bit AMG]

unident said:

Challo said:

Yeah he doesn’t want to be on the bench again. Plus he signed a contract and is stupidly well paid so we will struggle to sell him.

I really want to see him perform well as I think he will replace DeGea

I don’t think we’ll see him in a United shirt again. I’m still torn on DeGea. Phenomenal shot stopper when he needs to be, but his distribution is still worryingly bad and I can’t see how it will improve. That last bit is very worrying when we’ll hopefully be playing a very quick style of football.

DDG will get better coaching this season and he’ll be keen to get his place back in the Spain team. It’s his distribution that’s costing him that role so it’s win win!

I really like DDG, he fronted up last season and called it how he’s seen it. He also called out those players that want to leave. At 31 he’s got years left in him.

[worsy]

Challo said:

jammy-git said:

Apparently Dean Henderson is off to Forest on loan with an option to buy for £20m, with you guys paying a portion of his wages next season.

Yeah he doesn’t want to be on the bench again. Plus he signed a contract and is stupidly well paid so we will struggle to sell him.

I really want to see him perform well as I think he will replace DeGea

I just don't get this. We pay him, so he gets to sit on the bench as backup. If he wants regular football then he should drop his wages and accommodate Forest's budget.

[jammy-git]

worsy said:

Challo said:

jammy-git said:

Apparently Dean Henderson is off to Forest on loan with an option to buy for £20m, with you guys paying a portion of his wages next season.

Yeah he doesn’t want to be on the bench again. Plus he signed a contract and is stupidly well paid so we will struggle to sell him.

I really want to see him perform well as I think he will replace DeGea

I just don't get this. We pay him, so he gets to sit on the bench as backup. If he wants regular football then he should drop his wages and accommodate Forest's budget.

I didn't want to comment and be accused of trolling, but I did think this deal was much better for Henderson and Forrest than it was for Utd.

[unident]

Gone a bit AMG said:

DDG will get better coaching this season and he’ll be keen to get his place back in the Spain team. It’s his distribution that’s costing him that role so it’s win win!

I really like DDG, he fronted up last season and called it how he’s seen it. He also called out those players that want to leave. At 31 he’s got years left in him.

Agreed, but I just don’t know how he’s going to improve that side of his game. Bit disappointed with Henderson going. If DDG doesn’t step up then our top class replacement is playing elsewhere so we could have a very weak point in a crucial spot in the team.

[Challo]

worsy said:

Challo said:

jammy-git said:

Apparently Dean Henderson is off to Forest on loan with an option to buy for £20m, with you guys paying a portion of his wages next season.

Yeah he doesn’t want to be on the bench again. Plus he signed a contract and is stupidly well paid so we will struggle to sell him.

I really want to see him perform well as I think he will replace DeGea

I just don't get this. We pay him, so he gets to sit on the bench as backup. If he wants regular football then he should drop his wages and accommodate Forest's budget.

But that would only be if we sold him to Forrest, which I dont think we want to. As its a loan he still picks up the same wages, its agreeing if Forrest pay them all, or we make up a percentage of them.

[NRS]

G-wiz said:

Unident; the point is, you can have a dire season, and be a completely inspired team, the next.

Not saying we'll do a Leicester, but it's not impossible, either.

While Leicester did it that way, Everton were normally around 6-7th place and then a few years after Moyes left they're now fighting relegation,

[worsy]

Challo said:

worsy said:

Challo said:

jammy-git said:

Apparently Dean Henderson is off to Forest on loan with an option to buy for £20m, with you guys paying a portion of his wages next season.

Yeah he doesn’t want to be on the bench again. Plus he signed a contract and is stupidly well paid so we will struggle to sell him.

I really want to see him perform well as I think he will replace DeGea

I just don't get this. We pay him, so he gets to sit on the bench as backup. If he wants regular football then he should drop his wages and accommodate Forest's budget.

But that would only be if we sold him to Forrest, which I dont think we want to. As its a loan he still picks up the same wages, its agreeing if Forrest pay them all, or we make up a percentage of them.

So why loan him then. As I understand it, it is to placate him as he wants first team footy.

Also, I understand the loan includes an option to buy at 20m.

[Ntv]

ChocolateFrog said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I think Rashford has had a break from football for around 4 years.

I'm not worried about Utd if Rashford is in the team.

That statement may come back to bite me but I just don't see him in a PL title winning team.

Careful with the Rashford comments! He is apparently a protected individual in these parts. I was banned a while back for questioning his performances. Good charity work = above criticism in the eyes of cowards. cf Lance Armstrong.

[guitarcarfanatic]

worsy said:

So why loan him then. As I understand it, it is to placate him as he wants first team footy.

Also, I understand the loan includes an option to buy at 20m.

But if he isn't going to play, we are offsetting wages in the interim. It could save us millions over the course of a loan.

[worsy]

guitarcarfanatic said:

worsy said:

So why loan him then. As I understand it, it is to placate him as he wants first team footy.

Also, I understand the loan includes an option to buy at 20m.

But if he isn't going to play, we are offsetting wages in the interim. It could save us millions over the course of a loan.

Yeah but that makes sense (and had made sense previously) if he were in line to be No1 within the next couple of years. However the deal gives Forest the option to buy for 20m. This suggests United are looking to move him on.

Additionally, Garner can not be loaned to Forest as you can only loan one player per club per PL rules.

The deal just doesn't make sense for United. As Jammy-Git says, much better for Henderson and Forest.

[guitarcarfanatic]

worsy said:

Yeah but that makes sense (and had made sense previously) if he were in line to be No1 within the next couple of years. However the deal gives Forest the option to buy for 20m. This suggests United are looking to move him on.

Additionally, Garner can not be loaned to Forest as you can only loan one player per club per PL rules.

The deal just doesn't make sense for United. As Jammy-Git says, much better for Henderson and Forest.

That's what they value him at though. So regardless, they get to offset wages for 12 months and potentially get £20m in 12 months. Forest cannot afford the full wages or fee at the moment, and maybe they just know they won't get it elsewhere either. So better to do a deal if he isn't in the plans.

The alternative is we sell for £20m now, but his wages rule out a lot of clubs. Or we let him sit on the bench and it costs us full wages for 12 months and good chance his value goes down. This way, he is playing and will hopefully justify a £20m fee and the higher wages in 12 months time - he doesn't right now.

[worsy]

guitarcarfanatic said:

worsy said:

Yeah but that makes sense (and had made sense previously) if he were in line to be No1 within the next couple of years. However the deal gives Forest the option to buy for 20m. This suggests United are looking to move him on.

Additionally, Garner can not be loaned to Forest as you can only loan one player per club per PL rules.

The deal just doesn't make sense for United. As Jammy-Git says, much better for Henderson and Forest.

That's what they value him at though. So regardless, they get to offset wages for 12 months and potentially get £20m in 12 months. Forest cannot afford the full wages or fee at the moment, and maybe they just know they won't get it elsewhere either. So better to do a deal if he isn't in the plans.

The alternative is we sell for £20m now, but his wages rule out a lot of clubs. Or we let him sit on the bench and it costs us full wages for 12 months and good chance his value goes down. This way, he is playing and will hopefully justify a £20m fee and the higher wages in 12 months time - he doesn't right now.

Yeah maybe you are right.

Typical United, playing a second choice keeper mega bucks and pricing him out of a move.

or

Typical United, jumping for the first crappiest deal on offer.

[guitarcarfanatic]

worsy said:

Yeah maybe you are right.

Typical United, playing a second choice keeper mega bucks and pricing him out of a move.

or

Typical United, jumping for the first crappiest deal on offer.

He cost us nothing and was going to replace DDG when we offered the contract (Oli froze DDG out and brought Hendo in the second part of that first season back from SU).

I just think it's modern business, as opposed to bad business. Hedging bets on player value etc. Chelsea are kings of it.

[Adam.]

alwasy thought he was a very good keeper

clever of Forest who presumably will take the option if they survive next season, get relegated adn they dont

who do you have as your new #2, and if DDG got a bad injury would they be good enough to play regularly?

[worsy]

Adam. said:

alwasy thought he was a very good keeper

clever of Forest who presumably will take the option if they survive next season, get relegated adn they dont

who do you have as your new #2, and if DDG got a bad injury would they be good enough to play regularly?

Tom Heaton

Linked with Sam Johnstone as well.

[franki68]

Adam. said:

alwasy thought he was a very good keeper

clever of Forest who presumably will take the option if they survive next season, get relegated adn they dont

who do you have as your new #2, and if DDG got a bad injury would they be good enough to play regularly?

Bit unlucky he caught covid when it seemed he may force his way into the team .

[Challo]

worsy said:

guitarcarfanatic said:

worsy said:

Yeah but that makes sense (and had made sense previously) if he were in line to be No1 within the next couple of years. However the deal gives Forest the option to buy for 20m. This suggests United are looking to move him on.

Additionally, Garner can not be loaned to Forest as you can only loan one player per club per PL rules.

The deal just doesn't make sense for United. As Jammy-Git says, much better for Henderson and Forest.

That's what they value him at though. So regardless, they get to offset wages for 12 months and potentially get £20m in 12 months. Forest cannot afford the full wages or fee at the moment, and maybe they just know they won't get it elsewhere either. So better to do a deal if he isn't in the plans.

The alternative is we sell for £20m now, but his wages rule out a lot of clubs. Or we let him sit on the bench and it costs us full wages for 12 months and good chance his value goes down. This way, he is playing and will hopefully justify a £20m fee and the higher wages in 12 months time - he doesn't right now.

Yeah maybe you are right.

Typical United, playing a second choice keeper mega bucks and pricing him out of a move.

or

Typical United, jumping for the first crappiest deal on offer.

Its defiantly the first. Its another classic Woodward throwing money at the player to get him to sign a new deal.

Long term I think it works out for both clubs. We get to offset his wages to a point, he gets regular football in the premiership and hopefully will be happy.

Forrest get a very good keeper, and avoid the risk of committing to buy him now and get stuck with the wages if they get relegated.

We had issues last year with players not happy and impacting the dressing room, and we dont want another one.

[ORD]

You won’t find much support for Rashford around here. He’s been absolutely dreadful for a very long time now!

[Randy Winkman]

Ntv said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I think Rashford has had a break from football for around 4 years.

I'm not worried about Utd if Rashford is in the team.

That statement may come back to bite me but I just don't see him in a PL title winning team.

Careful with the Rashford comments! He is apparently a protected individual in these parts. I was banned a while back for questioning his performances. Good charity work = above criticism in the eyes of cowards. cf Lance Armstrong.

"Cowards"?