The Official Scottish Football Thread (Vol. 2)

[dalzo]

Rangers started very well then fell away drastically in the first half. Celtic had a couple of very good chances that should have been buried.

Second half rangers were dominant, our lack of recognised centre forward haunting us. Sakala’s finish was great but he should really have won us the game with the second chance he had.

The offside call for sakala while ccv was on his arse was some call from frank connor

It seems after a shaky period for rangers, gio is finally getting to grips with Scottish football and starting to get ange’s number too unfortunately it’s cost us the league but what can you do.

Some disgraceful behaviour from Celtic fans today after there moral grandstanding about idiots throwing bottles. Both ultra groups having a square go outside the ground and then fans launching bottles into the away end.

Anyway onto what is probably the biggest game in a generation for rangers fans. Can’t wait for Thursday and glad we have came through this game unscathed, ibrox is going to be rocking

[hongkongdonkey]

I would have taken that result and no injuries before the game but having been the better team overall I'm now a bit disappointed we didn't take all three points. The lack of target man was probably the main factor but I thought Sakala did well when put through the middle. Tactically Gio seems to have Celtic sussed and I'm looking forward to him having a transfer window to build his team. It's worth noting that Celtic had 14 fouls to Rangers 9 which goes against the narrative concocted after being played off the park in the semi final.

Anyway, it's May and we still have at least one European tie to play, can't wait.

[hotchy]

Celtic should have won the game in the first half again by being the more creative team with terrible finishing. Infact was the better side until the equaliser and at the time looked more likely to score. Got rattled again from that, a common theme in big games with us lately.

However a draw seals the league so happy enough. Won by celtic being the better team over the course of the season, and no team "throwing it away." An excuse to make others feel better id say. Now we will have a well deserved rest before next season and champions league money in the bag. Thats massive. No more selling to buy. Can keep this foundation of a team together and build even stronger.

Rangers have done very well keeping up with celtic, however that teams needing massive surgery with the age, and contract situations of many players. Can they manage what ange has managed with his first go and not even half done? I doubt it. Looks like two in a row is on the way.

[Shambler]

Can’t take it away from Celtic, we’ll deserved champions and Ange has done a fabulous job.

[Katzenjammer]

I don’t think Celtic can rest on their laurels over the close season as the league title could very easily have gone the other way this year. We definitely need a few more large tough guys as they’re a bit weedy I think. And Europe has been a complete embarrassment and something needs done or else the champions league will be a total horror show next season.

[Driver101]

When you look at the situation with Celtic they've done very well and deserve to win the league. They got shafted by Howe and were too late getting a manager. There wasn't time to get players in before the close of the transfer window. The first few games were all over the place and Celtic were sitting mid table.

Celtic played half a season with a threadbare squad and a injury crisis. Celtic winning the league has felt inevitable for some time.

It's strange the psychology of today. Rangers had to win, didn't but are celebrating it like a win. Celtic had to not lose, didn't and they all felt they lost. Rangers thought they had the upper hand as they had late chances, but Celtic should have killed the game stone dead with the clearcut chances created.

It'll be tough for Celtic to keep hold of Jota and CCV. I think both will be offered big money deals elsewhere. Celtic need quite a few players and need to add more steel. They aren't physical enough for Scottish football.

Hatate needs rested for the rest of the season. He was out on his feet again and has openly stayed he's knackered after constant football for too long without a break.

Rangers have too many players out of contract and players of any value entering the last year of their contract. The rebuild they have to do is huge and they need to plug holes in their finances before spending.



Shameful to see both Celtic and Rangers have had to issue statements about hate crimes and throwing things. I've not seen the videos from Rangers end yet, but the Celtic videos are very conclusive. I think away fans should be at games, but when they behave like they did today then banning them looks like the right call.

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 1st May 20:46

[hongkongdonkey]

Driver101 said:

Shameful to see both Celtic and Rangers have had to issue statements about hate crimes and throwing things. I've not seen the videos from Rangers end yet, but the Celtic videos are very conclusive. I think away fans should be at games, but when they behave like they did today then banning them looks like the right call.

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 1st May 20:46

You really should look at all the evidence before reaching your conclusion and passing sentence. Every other club in Scotland condemns their own fans and takes action when these incidents occur but for some reason Celtic and their fans choose to deny and deflect in an attempt to protect their own. Anybody throwing a bottle into a crowd deserves a life ban from football.

I think the police have a lot of questions to answer over this. Surely the purpose of holding away fans back is to allow the home side leave first and minimise incidents. While the rest of the ground has emptied, they've allowed Celtic fans to gather at the Rangers end and use them as target practise and looked on.

[hotchy]

hongkongdonkey said:

Driver101 said:

Shameful to see both Celtic and Rangers have had to issue statements about hate crimes and throwing things. I've not seen the videos from Rangers end yet, but the Celtic videos are very conclusive. I think away fans should be at games, but when they behave like they did today then banning them looks like the right call.

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 1st May 20:46

You really should look at all the evidence before reaching your conclusion and passing sentence. Every other club in Scotland condemns their own fans and takes action when these incidents occur but for some reason Celtic and their fans choose to deny and deflect in an attempt to protect their own. Anybody throwing a bottle into a crowd deserves a life ban from football.

I think the police have a lot of questions to answer over this. Surely the purpose of holding away fans back is to allow the home side leave first and minimise incidents. While the rest of the ground has emptied, they've allowed Celtic fans to gather at the Rangers end and use them as target practise and looked on.

At the same time you've also decided to avoid the fact rangers fans have ripped seats up, thrown at fans and stewards alike. Any celtic fan with a bottle? Ban for life. Any rangers fan ripping a seat up? Ban for life. Quit simple. No point you pretending rangers are innocent.

After looking at the twitter videos. Bottles originated from the rangers end to begin with yet again. No shock there. Then bottles obviously got chucked back. Retaliation isn't the answer and those who did retaliate should be banned, along with the entire rangers support for illegal sectarian chanting the entire game. No point ignoring that while your at it.

And how do these bottles get in and I can't even sneak a can of bru into a game..

As for celtic. The best team looks to be champions again. Potentially have the building blocks of a team that could and most likely will dominate for another decade. What a job ange has done.

Edited by hotchy on Monday 2nd May 06:50

[Driver101]

hongkongdonkey said:

Driver101 said:

Shameful to see both Celtic and Rangers have had to issue statements about hate crimes and throwing things. I've not seen the videos from Rangers end yet, but the Celtic videos are very conclusive. I think away fans should be at games, but when they behave like they did today then banning them looks like the right call.

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 1st May 20:46

You really should look at all the evidence before reaching your conclusion and passing sentence. Every other club in Scotland condemns their own fans and takes action when these incidents occur but for some reason Celtic and their fans choose to deny and deflect in an attempt to protect their own. Anybody throwing a bottle into a crowd deserves a life ban from football.

I think the police have a lot of questions to answer over this. Surely the purpose of holding away fans back is to allow the home side leave first and minimise incidents. While the rest of the ground has emptied, they've allowed Celtic fans to gather at the Rangers end and use them as target practise and looked on.

What evidence have you got?

Reading the Rangers' forum requesting evidence. There's a specific request not to share videos that incriminate their own fans. They are aware of what their fans were doing. They've come up with one video where both sets of fans are throwing things and abusing each other.

What's very conclusive from the videos is Rangers fans are no innocent victims in the confrontation. They are throwing things and trying to antagonise by singing their bigoted and hate fuelled songs.

Where have Rangers condemned their support for their behaviour yesterday or in previous incidents? As per the discussion on here Rangers sat in silence last time. There was only one post on one part of the incident from a dormant Twitter account and it wasn't condemning the incident.

This time rather than condemning their own fans the effort appears to be blame others to deflect. Rangers were too quick to get their retaliation in first.

[dalzo]

Driver101 said:

Shameful to see both Celtic and Rangers have had to issue statements about hate crimes and throwing things. I've not seen the videos from Rangers end yet, but the Celtic videos are very conclusive. I think away fans should be at games, but when they behave like they did today then banning them looks like the right call.

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 1st May 20:46

What a strangely put paragraph. You’ve not seen all the evidence but it’s very conclusive? Think your showing your narrow mindedness here.

For a start Celtic moved the bhoys ultra group next to the away support, who had already been fighting before the game with the green brigade. At the end of the game they moved as close as they could to the rangers section and two of them threw buckfast bottles. One of which hit an old man in the head. At this point rangers are kettled in,can’t leave and bottles are now raining down on them and the police and stewards are doing nothing to stop it. What would you do in that situation? The Celtic fans were free to leave while this is all happening by the way.

The Celtic statement was disgraceful, it was only put out to deny and deflect rather than just accept responsibility, the fact they mentioned the previous game at ibrox shows. police and stewards have to shoulder the blame too.

For the record rangers did apologise to joe hart and the Celtic physio, held an investigation,passed it to police and very quickly the guy was banned and the arrested and charged.

Add in the bhoys singing for 90 minutes about soon there will be no prods at all, the ibrox disaster and davie cooper then It’s quite clear who the shameful ones are.

You also seem to be forgetting the massive sectarian tifo before the game, a catholic razor gang with “we will never be mastered (by no orange bd)” and fk the queen on it. You’d be on here in tears if it was billy Fullerton with a ftp banner.

Here’s another bit of “evidence” , if you fire onto your follow follow account you’ll find more. 4 stewards around this puddle drinker and only one gives him a gentle clap on the back to get him to leave
https://twitter.com/AdamC4100/status/1520761391715...

Edited by dalzo on Monday 2nd May 11:00

[Katzenjammer]

PFA Awards last night. From the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61292680.amp

“ Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou and captain Callum McGregor won manager and Scottish Premiership player of the year at PFA Scotland's annual awards.

McGregor's team-mate Liel Abada won the young player of the year award and Celtic's Jacynta Galabadaarachchi won women's young player of the year.

Glasgow City's Priscila Chinchilla took the women's player of the year award.

Celtic's Tom Rogic won goal of the season for his strike against Dundee United.”

[Driver101]

dalzo said:

What a strangely put paragraph. You’ve not seen all the evidence but it’s very conclusive? Think your showing your narrow mindedness here.

Edited by dalzo on Monday 2nd May 10:35

My narrow mindedness? As per usual resort straight to personal attacks, manipulation and gaslighting.

From the videos I have seen it is very conclusive that Rangers fans more than played their part in the incidents. It's not something that the press or even a good percentage of Rangers fans have missed. They aren't the quiet little innocent victims that stood there for target practice.

I'm in a good mood today. I can't be arsed reading your big bad Celtic and Rangers fans do no wrong spiel today.

[Driver101]

Katzenjammer said:

PFA Awards last night. From the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61292680.amp

“ Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou and captain Callum McGregor won manager and Scottish Premiership player of the year at PFA Scotland's annual awards.

McGregor's team-mate Liel Abada won the young player of the year award and Celtic's Jacynta Galabadaarachchi won women's young player of the year.

Glasgow City's Priscila Chinchilla took the women's player of the year award.

Celtic's Tom Rogic won goal of the season for his strike against Dundee United.”

That's what I predicted before the awards for the men's game. All deserved.

I thought Jota had played enough games to be nominated, but being out injured must have counted against him.

[dalzo]

Driver101 said:

My narrow mindedness? As per usual resort straight to personal attacks, manipulation and gaslighting.

From the videos I have seen it is very conclusive that Rangers fans more than played their part in the incidents. It's not something that the press or even a good percentage of Rangers fans have missed. They aren't the quiet little innocent victims that stood there for target practice.

I'm in a good mood today. I can't be arsed reading your big bad Celtic and Rangers fans do no wrong spiel today.

From my entire reply you’ve picked up on being called narrow minded? Please don’t go into this victim playing mode. I’m starting think you wrote Celtics statement with this level of deflection.

It’s quite clear that Celtic and there fans were the baying mob today, it’s laughable that you were apoplectic with rage on here when there was bottle throwing at ibrox but when Celtic have disgraced themselves you don’t want to know. It makes you look like a sanctimonious hypocrite to be honest.

Here’s another bit of evidence for you:
https://twitter.com/l1872l/status/1520941442394476...

[Driver101]

dalzo said:

Driver101 said:

My narrow mindedness? As per usual resort straight to personal attacks, manipulation and gaslighting.

From the videos I have seen it is very conclusive that Rangers fans more than played their part in the incidents. It's not something that the press or even a good percentage of Rangers fans have missed. They aren't the quiet little innocent victims that stood there for target practice.

I'm in a good mood today. I can't be arsed reading your big bad Celtic and Rangers fans do no wrong spiel today.

From my entire reply you’ve picked up on being called narrow minded? Please don’t go into this victim playing mode. I’m starting think you wrote Celtics statement with this level of deflection.

It’s quite clear that Celtic and there fans were the baying mob today, it’s laughable that you were apoplectic with rage on here when there was bottle throwing at ibrox but when Celtic have disgraced themselves you don’t want to know. It makes you look like a sanctimonious hypocrite to be honest.

Here’s another bit of evidence for you:
https://twitter.com/l1872l/status/1520941442394476...

"apoplectic with rage"

"Victim playing mode".

"sanctimonious hypocrite"

Has Jim Traynor hacked your account?

As I've pointed out many times before it's genuinely impossible to hold a conversation with you. Your ability to read things that haven't been said, the ability misconstrue, distort and get the wrong end of the stick is really frustrating.

The post above is highly amusing. 10/10 for amusement. 0/10 for self awareness.

[hongkongdonkey]

hotchy said:

At the same time you've also decided to avoid the fact rangers fans have ripped seats up, thrown at fans and stewards alike. Any celtic fan with a bottle? Ban for life. Any rangers fan ripping a seat up? Ban for life. Quit simple. No point you pretending rangers are innocent.

I think you've read a bit too much into my post. You are right seats and bottles going back and forth, ban all involved.

hotchy said:

After looking at the twitter videos. Bottles originated from the rangers end to begin with yet again. No shock there. Then bottles obviously got chucked back. Retaliation isn't the answer and those who did retaliate should be banned, along with the entire rangers support for illegal sectarian chanting the entire game. No point ignoring that while your at it.

I don't think you can tell from the videos alone who started it, you need to see what happened before that prompted people to start filming. It was called it by radio pundits at the time as being started by Celtic fans.

If you want to start banning fans for unsavoury singing at Celtic park it would be empty for the rest of the season. I'm happy enough for it to be stopped, it's really not my thing but it has to be consistently applied to all teams.

hotchy said:

And how do these bottles get in and I can't even sneak a can of bru into a game..

As for celtic. The best team looks to be champions again. Potentially have the building blocks of a team that could and most likely will dominate for another decade. What a job ange has done.

Celtic couldn't even dominate for a decade when we were in the bottom division. I think we're in a far better place this time around.

[dalzo]

Driver101 said:

"apoplectic with rage"

"Victim playing mode".

"sanctimonious hypocrite"

Has Jim Traynor hacked your account?

As I've pointed out many times before it's genuinely impossible to hold a conversation with you. Your ability to read things that haven't been said, the ability misconstrue, distort and get the wrong end of the stick is really frustrating.

The post above is highly amusing. 10/10 for amusement. 0/10 for self awareness.

The irony in saying it’s genuinely impossible to have a conversation while ignoring every point I’ve made and every bit of evidence posted is incredible.

If you had any genuine comeback you would say it but you resort to these childish replies.

[Driver101]

dalzo said:

Driver101 said:

"apoplectic with rage"

"Victim playing mode".

"sanctimonious hypocrite"

Has Jim Traynor hacked your account?

As I've pointed out many times before it's genuinely impossible to hold a conversation with you. Your ability to read things that haven't been said, the ability misconstrue, distort and get the wrong end of the stick is really frustrating.

The post above is highly amusing. 10/10 for amusement. 0/10 for self awareness.

The irony in saying it’s genuinely impossible to have a conversation while ignoring every point I’ve made and every bit of evidence posted is incredible.

If you had any genuine comeback you would say it but you resort to these childish replies.

When we have had discussions about racism, bigotry or unacceptable behaviour before each an every time you go through a process of manipulating, misconstruing and gaslighting. It really doesn't matter what I say as you've already decided what you expect to hear. You see things that haven't been said. I keep pointing it out, but you keep doing it. There is no irony, it's just pointless. I'll make one effort, but I know it won't go well.

There has been numerous incidents recently and you've had nothing to say. Why are you suddenly wanting to raise topics when you've chosen to ignore them before? It does feel like a combination of sour grapes and your usual efforts of trying to balance things up after all the negative attention Rangers have faced in recent weeks.

There was many significant incidents yesterday and it's very clear it's not a one-way thing. You'll spend your time attacking Celtic with no acknowledgement that Rangers fans were also out of order. If we want to search through Twitter for unacceptable individuals we will be here all day.

I have given up raising bigger incidents as I know how they'll go on this forum. I was going to raise about the Union Bears attacking the women and children at the Motherwell ladies' game as that was completely unacceptable. A large part of yesterday was when idiots meet. Not men turning up to a women's game to attack the kids and parents.

What happened yesterday was completely unacceptable. It's behaviour I have never defending and never accepted from any bunch on fans ever. When it happens there is usually an effort by both Celtic and Rangers to downplay what happened. Rangers going with washing the dirty laundry in public is a new tactic. The problem I have if you're going to call out another club then they need to be better and Rangers are not.

As I've always said Rangers need to do far more with their own support. There's threads on the Rangers forums that even Rangers fans think the behaviour of fellow Rangers supporters has gone too far. The bigotry and racism is worse than ever.

[biggbn]

dalzo said:

Rangers started very well then fell away drastically in the first half. Celtic had a couple of very good chances that should have been buried.

Second half rangers were dominant, our lack of recognised centre forward haunting us. Sakala’s finish was great but he should really have won us the game with the second chance he had.

The offside call for sakala while ccv was on his arse was some call from frank connor

It seems after a shaky period for rangers, gio is finally getting to grips with Scottish football and starting to get ange’s number too unfortunately it’s cost us the league but what can you do.

Some disgraceful behaviour from Celtic fans today after there moral grandstanding about idiots throwing bottles. Both ultra groups having a square go outside the ground and then fans launching bottles into the away end.

Anyway onto what is probably the biggest game in a generation for rangers fans. Can’t wait for Thursday and glad we have came through this game unscathed, ibrox is going to be rocking

As a Celtic fan with no cultural or religious axe to grind, can I say best of luck Thursday to Rangers. You can do it!!

[QuartzDad]

If I’m reading Twitter correctly Russian clubs have been chucked out of Euro comps for next season which means the Scottish champions will now go directly into the Champions League group stage.

The league runners up will go into the 3rd qualifying round (unless Rangers win the Europa League in which case they will also go straight into the Champions League group stages).

https://twitter.com/dalejohnsonespn/status/1521167...