Premier League 22-23 - who will be relegated?

Premier League 22-23 - who will be relegated?

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Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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freedman said:
Driver101 said:
I laughed when Roy was connected to the CP job last week.

I think that is a terrible backwards appointment that will end in disaster.
Or not smile

Keeping Vieira would have been a disaster
I think everyone is shocked.

Pitre

4,591 posts

235 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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freedman said:
Driver101 said:
I laughed when Roy was connected to the CP job last week.

I think that is a terrible backwards appointment that will end in disaster.
Or not smile

Keeping Vieira would have been a disaster
Sad, but true. It's been depressing to watch the likes of Wright and Keown blindly sticking up for their mate, but in truth he was out of his depth and simply ran out of ideas. Roy however, has taken what he was given and motivated the existing squad, putting round pegs in round holes and encouraging adventure and shots. Palace are also hugely benefitting from Ray Lewington's return as Roy's sidekick. Almost safe, but not actually safe yet...

l354uge

2,895 posts

122 months

Monday 17th April 2023
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Leeds
Forest
Southampton

Shame to see them go, but I think Southampton need a good reset and Leeds and forest need much better defenders!

Sycamore

1,796 posts

119 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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You'd think that of the 97 players Forest signed, there would've been a few good defenders in there biggrin

Southampton are gone, Forest are in a bad spot and their remaining games aren't nice for the most part, and I think you then flip a 3 sided coin on Leeds, Everton, and Leicester.

coldel

7,899 posts

147 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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Good point for West Ham, but as usual a really slow start and if we were a bit more clinical could have nicked it.
We still have Man City/Utd and Liverpool to come which will be defeats, as well as Brentford away, but if we can nick points off Bournemouth Leicester Leeds we should be good. If we can keep the goals down against City Utd and Liverpool the goaldifference will act as an extra point.

Forest run in looks terrible I do think they are doomed. Along with Southampton. So its whether the Leeds results of late are just flukes or if it is showing an underlying massive problem there. Everton as always will sneak out of it. Bournemouth I think if they lose to the Hammers could be in big trouble.

aeropilot

34,663 posts

228 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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Some big games coming up in the next few weeks which could determine who goes down out of Leicester, Leeds & Everton, as I agree that Forest look doomed along with Southampton with their run-in's and current form.

Leeds v Leicester on 25th
Bournemouth v Leeds on 30th
Leicester v Everton on 1st


Leicester Loyal

4,552 posts

123 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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Borunemouth only need 4 more points from a possible 21? Can't see them going down now.

WHU may get dragged into it but I think 6 points from 24 and they're staying up, European football might make it harder for them though.

It's between Leeds, Everton, Forest, Leicester and Southampton IMO.

Southampton are down.

2 from Leeds, Everton, Forest, Leicester.

If we don't beat Wolves on Saturday then we're down as well.

Our next 3 games are Wolves, Leeds, Everton, minimum of 6 points needed, anything less won't be enough. I don't think we'll manage it but would love to be proven wrong, I think we've left the managerial change way too late.

If WHU are safe by the last game of the season they might be an easy 3 points for us though... Wishful thinking.

johnboy1975

8,404 posts

109 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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coldel said:
Good point for West Ham, but as usual a really slow start and if we were a bit more clinical could have nicked it.
We still have Man City/Utd and Liverpool to come which will be defeats, as well as Brentford away, but if we can nick points off Bournemouth Leicester Leeds we should be good. If we can keep the goals down against City Utd and Liverpool the goaldifference will act as an extra point.

Forest run in looks terrible I do think they are doomed. Along with Southampton. So its whether the Leeds results of late are just flukes or if it is showing an underlying massive problem there. Everton as always will sneak out of it. Bournemouth I think if they lose to the Hammers could be in big trouble.
Another vote for Southampton and Forest being down.

I dont think Bournemouth are seriously still in it (and only play Utd from top half in run in I think?) and you ought to be fine too. Palace are safe now - Forest wont get 9 points (10 with GD) and Leicester wont get 11 (12 with GD). Leeds ought to be ok but they seem determined to drag them themselves back in. Those 11 goals they have shipped for -9 over last 2 games mean a 2-0 win for Everton and a draw for Leeds see Everton go above them on GD. Only problem...we can't win by more than 1. Or lately, at all. Massive chance missed at home to Fulham last weekend... frown

Crucial game is Leicester vs Everton at the KP. The loser of that game is in big, big trouble. Leicester have an easier run in too. Ideally, they keep losing, we nick a point at theirs, and stay up on 28 points (well we might beat Bournemouth at home last day and I wouldn't rule out a point or two from the next 6 games, so call it 31 or 32)


Sycamore

1,796 posts

119 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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coldel

7,899 posts

147 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Well, the Disgrace of Gijon was a thing!

There is still some footage of the game floating about on the internet. West Germany vs Austria, West Germany needed to win, Austria needed to not lose by more than 2. If either scenario didn't play out Algeria qualified. This was back in the day when final group games were played at different times. Germany scored within 10 mins then neither team had a single shot for 80 mins West Germany won 1-0 both qualified. The footage is unreal. Watching both teams just knock the ball around in their own half before launching it to the other team.

Unbelievable that neither team got punished...well, maybe not so unbelievable what we know now about FIFA!

coldel

7,899 posts

147 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Well Leicester threw in a curve ball at the weekend!
West Ham got a great result - that GD is worth an extra point in the relegation scrap.
Still think despite the Arsenal result Southampton will still go.
Leeds still likely to go? All those home games and getting not much from them...

Hub

6,437 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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I think Bournemouth will slip up at Southampton - we don't have the greatest record against our south coast rivals. That could bring both back into it.

Pieman68

4,264 posts

235 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Hub said:
I think Bournemouth will slip up at Southampton - we don't have the greatest record against our south coast rivals. That could bring both back into it.
Leeds against Leicester tonight and Bournemouth at the weekend are huge. With City, Newcastle, a resurgent West Ham and the wildly unpredictable Spurs to come they need to put themselves in a position to survive over the next week.

Unfortunately after the last 3 results I can't see where a point is going to come from. There's been some horrific recruitment (with the exception of Adams, who's now injured) the US midfield is woeful. Aaronson needs to put about 2 stone on, and McKennie looks like he could give him it. The team as a whole have showed no heart or fight over the last few weeks

With Bournemouth playing Southampton, Leicester v Everton and Forest v Southampton in the near future I think the picture will be clearer after the next 2-3 games. And I can't help but feel that the picture will look bleak for Leeds.

Let's hope someone sees sense and gets rid of Victor Orta!

As an aside, I'm going to see if I can get Junior Firpo's agent to sign me - how the hell the man was on Barcelona's books I have no idea

coldel

7,899 posts

147 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Yes Leeds are well and truly in it...they can score goals though which even though they shipped a few recently, means they have a punchers chance.
Bournemouth I think could easily slip into a reversal of fortunes, they are shipping goals and they looked toothless against West Ham, wasnt long ago they were bottom three but a few wins got them going again. They need a couple of wins.
Amazing how poor all the teams down there are...and I still count West Ham in that, still a long way to go to getting back to that dynamic counter attacking team that was putting them top 6-7 for two seasons.

aeropilot

34,663 posts

228 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Hub said:
I think Bournemouth will slip up at Southampton - we don't have the greatest record against our south coast rivals. That could bring both back into it.
Even if Southampton beat Bournemouth, and were then to beat Forest, that'll still only put them on 30 pts, and I can't see them get any more than that with their run-in of games, and Bournemouth are already on 33, so I don't think Bournemouth can get dragged into until maybe last game, where they play Everton, which Everton will likely have to win regardless.
Forest and Southampton will be gone by then.

Its between Everton, Leicester and Leeds as to who goes down with Southampton and Forest in my view. Leeds have to beat Bournemouth next game, loose and they are gone I feel, but that assumes Everton beat Leicester or Bournemouth which they will still have to do to get above Leeds on points.



Edited by aeropilot on Tuesday 25th April 23:16

JNW1

7,799 posts

195 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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aeropilot said:
Its between Everton, Leicester and Leeds as to who goes down with Southampton and Forest in my view. Leeds have to beat Bournemouth next game, lose and they are gone I feel, but that assumes Everton beat Leicester or Bournemouth which they will still have to do to get above Leeds on points.
As a Leeds fan I agree with that. Our last four games look difficult (Newcastle and Spurs at home, City and West Ham away) so I think we have to win at Bournemouth this weekend to have any realistic chance of accumulating enough points to survive. And even if we beat Bournemouth - which is a massive if given the way we're playing - I suspect we're still going to need another two or three points to stay up and I'm not sure where they're going to come from either.

I have a feeling Leicester have enough quality to get out of it so I think it's either Everton or (more likely) us joining Southampton and Forest in the Championship next season...

Fast Bug

11,713 posts

162 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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As an Everton fan I think we're going down, we're the lowest scoring team in all of the English football leagues. If we concede 1 goal we face a massive uphill battle to get anything out of a game, the Leicester and Bournemouth games are going to define what happens to us. I don't fancy us getting anything from the Newcastle, Brighton or City games, we need to rely on other teams being worse than us sadly...

DE1975

434 posts

107 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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Fast Bug said:
we need to rely on other teams being worse than us sadly...
As a Leeds fan, we're doing our best to help you out on that score!!

Our only hope is you get docked points for FFP. Come on Everton, one good turn deserves another rotate


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aeropilot

34,663 posts

228 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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Fast Bug said:
As an Everton fan I think we're going down, we're the lowest scoring team in all of the English football leagues.
This is your major problem.

The stats people have you as being the one to go along with Forest and Southampton, with a 52% chance of relegation, against Leeds 47% chance.

JNW1

7,799 posts

195 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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DE1975 said:
Our only hope is you get docked points for FFP. Come on Everton, one good turn deserves another rotate
Even if Everton are found guilty of breaching the rules on FFP there's not a chance they'll allow a points deduction to have them relegated this season; if they're outside the bottom three they'll just appeal and by the time that's heard it will be next season before any points deduction can be applied.

So I think our survival depends on what we do on the pitch and that doesn't give me cause for optimism given a) the way we're playing and b) the difficulty of our remaining fixtures!