No red, not a yellow, but take a blue!
Discussion
GloverMart said:
Frimley111R said:
Looks like the blue card won't be introduced but Sin Bins will be trialled (I thought they had done this in lower leagues already).
They have trialled them. Think it's Step 4 or 5 non league and below, ten minutes in the bin for dissent only. 
Surely they haven't thought, oh, people don't like the blue card aspect, but think sin bins are great??? (I've no great objection, other than it will be inconsistent and, when it comes to the PL, the refs will leave it to VAR, and VAR won't intervene because it's not "a clear and obvious error")
For me, control it with yellows. If players don't learn they'll get two yellows and therefore a red. They'll soon learn. Currently all they are learning is refs don't have the bottle for a second yellow (in the main)
johnboy1975 said:
Sorry, I'm confused...I thought the blue card indicated the sin bin? What colour indicates a sin bin offence then? I like the zebra card mooted earlier in the thread
Surely they haven't thought, oh, people don't like the blue card aspect, but think sin bins are great??? (I've no great objection, other than it will be inconsistent and, when it comes to the PL, the refs will leave it to VAR, and VAR won't intervene because it's not "a clear and obvious error")
For me, control it with yellows. If players don't learn they'll get two yellows and therefore a red. They'll soon learn. Currently all they are learning is refs don't have the bottle for a second yellow (in the main)
A sin bin is shown by a standard yellow card then the referee points towards the technical area with both arms. Surely they haven't thought, oh, people don't like the blue card aspect, but think sin bins are great??? (I've no great objection, other than it will be inconsistent and, when it comes to the PL, the refs will leave it to VAR, and VAR won't intervene because it's not "a clear and obvious error")
For me, control it with yellows. If players don't learn they'll get two yellows and therefore a red. They'll soon learn. Currently all they are learning is refs don't have the bottle for a second yellow (in the main)
A blue card has always made more sense to me though as people generally think you've given a standard caution.
Though scrapping all the 'coming back on or can/cannot be substituted' would be my preference as it's so confusing for us referees who have a hard enough job as it is (especially at say Sunday League where sin bins should be used the most).
wazztie16 said:
johnboy1975 said:
Sorry, I'm confused...I thought the blue card indicated the sin bin? What colour indicates a sin bin offence then? I like the zebra card mooted earlier in the thread
Surely they haven't thought, oh, people don't like the blue card aspect, but think sin bins are great??? (I've no great objection, other than it will be inconsistent and, when it comes to the PL, the refs will leave it to VAR, and VAR won't intervene because it's not "a clear and obvious error")
For me, control it with yellows. If players don't learn they'll get two yellows and therefore a red. They'll soon learn. Currently all they are learning is refs don't have the bottle for a second yellow (in the main)
A sin bin is shown by a standard yellow card then the referee points towards the technical area with both arms. Surely they haven't thought, oh, people don't like the blue card aspect, but think sin bins are great??? (I've no great objection, other than it will be inconsistent and, when it comes to the PL, the refs will leave it to VAR, and VAR won't intervene because it's not "a clear and obvious error")
For me, control it with yellows. If players don't learn they'll get two yellows and therefore a red. They'll soon learn. Currently all they are learning is refs don't have the bottle for a second yellow (in the main)
A blue card has always made more sense to me though as people generally think you've given a standard caution.
Though scrapping all the 'coming back on or can/cannot be substituted' would be my preference as it's so confusing for us referees who have a hard enough job as it is (especially at say Sunday League where sin bins should be used the most).
When sin bins were introduced in the National League System, it was accompanied by a sin bin matrix which explained in some detail about various scenarios where managers could/couldn't replace players that had received two sin bins, how some players could have three cautions, what happened if a goalkeeper as sin binned. The fact that this matrix had to be published at all should have rung alarm bells up and down the game that maybe it wasn't a great shout and that the game might be better served by less rules rather than more.
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