The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)
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CLK-GTR said:
Sacking Ten Hag now would be a horrible move because it will mask the real issues within the club.
I don't think that's true, now. SJR knows what's wrong with the management structure of the club and has made/is making the relevant hires to change it.The other issue is that our manager is crap. His tactics, in-game management, choice of signings and man management are all poor.
That the club management on the football side was poor and needed fixing isn't an argument for keeping a manager who's seemingly fairly useless (in the EPL, at least).
Forester1965 said:
I don't think that's true, now. SJR knows what's wrong with the management structure of the club and has made/is making the relevant hires to change it.
The other issue is that our manager is crap. His tactics, in-game management, choice of signings and man management are all poor.
That the club management on the football side was poor and needed fixing isn't an argument for keeping a manager who's seemingly fairly useless (in the EPL, at least).
That's where we disagree. Based on his tenure at Ajax and the few runs here where he has had a full squad at his disposal, there is a good manager under there. Yes his recruitment has been hit and miss but that shouldn't be under his remit and wouldn't be in a future ideal structure. It's clear he has been forced to abandon the system he started implementing when he arrived because of player availability and is now throwing at a wall to see what sticks.The other issue is that our manager is crap. His tactics, in-game management, choice of signings and man management are all poor.
That the club management on the football side was poor and needed fixing isn't an argument for keeping a manager who's seemingly fairly useless (in the EPL, at least).
I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
simon800 said:
CLK-GTR said:
Using your analogy, we're buying her a jar of strawberry jam, a pack of chicken thighs and a box of cereal and expecting her to make a meal. .
In all fairness cornflake chicken is fantastic. The strawberry jam does present a challenge in that context though. CLK-GTR said:
That's where we disagree. Based on his tenure at Ajax and the few runs here where he has had a full squad at his disposal, there is a good manager under there. Yes his recruitment has been hit and miss but that shouldn't be under his remit and wouldn't be in a future ideal structure. It's clear he has been forced to abandon the system he started implementing when he arrived because of player availability and is now throwing at a wall to see what sticks.
I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
Hit and miss? How many hits vs misses? Hojlund, we hope and Martinez apart from the injury issues. Any other hits?I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
What system has he abandoned? Feel free to explain the theory of what you think this system is.
The sheer volume of injuries makes you wonder what is going on at OT. If a business had such a high sickness rate, they’d do a lot more than shrug their shoulders and say “not my fault we’re going bankrupt”.
LF5335 said:
Hit and miss? How many hits vs misses? Hojlund, we hope and Martinez apart from the injury issues. Any other hits?
What system has he abandoned? Feel free to explain the theory of what you think this system is.
The sheer volume of injuries makes you wonder what is going on at OT. If a business had such a high sickness rate, they’d do a lot more than shrug their shoulders and say “not my fault we’re going bankrupt”.
Same system as all the top coaches. High defensive line (only one of our defenders can play this way) and inverted fullbacks (try that with Wan Bissaka), aggressive pressing (Rashford What system has he abandoned? Feel free to explain the theory of what you think this system is.
The sheer volume of injuries makes you wonder what is going on at OT. If a business had such a high sickness rate, they’d do a lot more than shrug their shoulders and say “not my fault we’re going bankrupt”.
) to recover possession, fast passing (never happening with the likes of McTominay) into forward players (we have only one, a 21 year old kid). We have all different players who fit all different styles. No coach can set a system because we don't have a squad of players who can all play one way.
LF5335 said:
CLK-GTR said:
That's where we disagree. Based on his tenure at Ajax and the few runs here where he has had a full squad at his disposal, there is a good manager under there. Yes his recruitment has been hit and miss but that shouldn't be under his remit and wouldn't be in a future ideal structure. It's clear he has been forced to abandon the system he started implementing when he arrived because of player availability and is now throwing at a wall to see what sticks.
I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
Hit and miss? How many hits vs misses? Hojlund, we hope and Martinez apart from the injury issues. Any other hits?I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
What system has he abandoned? Feel free to explain the theory of what you think this system is.
The sheer volume of injuries makes you wonder what is going on at OT. If a business had such a high sickness rate, they’d do a lot more than shrug their shoulders and say “not my fault we’re going bankrupt”.
G-wiz said:
Still don't understand why despite, structural, management, ownership issues with the club, why as manager ETH can't improve performances on the pitch.
Lack of continuity with injuries has been a massive issue. Constant square pegs in round holes, 40 odd different back 4 combinations. 5 CB out injured at the moment. Players horribly out of form and due to lack of availability your unable to rotate.
Add onto that mistakes in games, poor leadership on the pitch and then tactical issues and poor in game management by ETH.
Been a melting pot of what could go wrong has gone wrong.
We have been excellent in periods of games, but for some reason the team has failed to play a full 90mins without s
tting the bed. dickymint said:
LF5335 said:
CLK-GTR said:
That's where we disagree. Based on his tenure at Ajax and the few runs here where he has had a full squad at his disposal, there is a good manager under there. Yes his recruitment has been hit and miss but that shouldn't be under his remit and wouldn't be in a future ideal structure. It's clear he has been forced to abandon the system he started implementing when he arrived because of player availability and is now throwing at a wall to see what sticks.
I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
Hit and miss? How many hits vs misses? Hojlund, we hope and Martinez apart from the injury issues. Any other hits?I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
What system has he abandoned? Feel free to explain the theory of what you think this system is.
The sheer volume of injuries makes you wonder what is going on at OT. If a business had such a high sickness rate, they’d do a lot more than shrug their shoulders and say “not my fault we’re going bankrupt”.
dickymint said:
LF5335 said:
CLK-GTR said:
That's where we disagree. Based on his tenure at Ajax and the few runs here where he has had a full squad at his disposal, there is a good manager under there. Yes his recruitment has been hit and miss but that shouldn't be under his remit and wouldn't be in a future ideal structure. It's clear he has been forced to abandon the system he started implementing when he arrived because of player availability and is now throwing at a wall to see what sticks.
I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
Hit and miss? How many hits vs misses? Hojlund, we hope and Martinez apart from the injury issues. Any other hits?I don't know any manager that could do much with the squad we had available on Sunday or have had for the last few weeks. We are threadbare and the cycling of available players is killing any continuity.
What system has he abandoned? Feel free to explain the theory of what you think this system is.
The sheer volume of injuries makes you wonder what is going on at OT. If a business had such a high sickness rate, they’d do a lot more than shrug their shoulders and say “not my fault we’re going bankrupt”.
Every single club will suffer with injuries. I think Newcastle are the only team who have had more though. When you are at the top, near the top of any table then it’s down to you to work out why. It’s unlikely to just be bad or good luck that gets you there.
The specific nature of the injuries has to be considered too.
So Newcastle had 2 players do their ACL in the space of a week - that's bad luck
United have had 4 players who we rushed back from injury that reinjured the same injury - that's poor injury management and nothing to do with luck.
So Newcastle had 2 players do their ACL in the space of a week - that's bad luck
United have had 4 players who we rushed back from injury that reinjured the same injury - that's poor injury management and nothing to do with luck.
CLK-GTR said:
Same system as all the top coaches. High defensive line (only one of our defenders can play this way) and inverted fullbacks (try that with Wan Bissaka), aggressive pressing (Rashford ) to recover possession, fast passing (never happening with the likes of McTominay) into forward players (we have only one, a 21 year old kid).
We have all different players who fit all different styles. No coach can set a system because we don't have a squad of players who can all play one way.
Wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying. The manager has a team that isn't good enough to play a high press, especially at the back (hence dropping deep and leaving a massive hole in our midfield) and he needs another season under a PROPER structure with direction. I honestly don't see how anyone else available is any better as a manager.) to recover possession, fast passing (never happening with the likes of McTominay) into forward players (we have only one, a 21 year old kid). We have all different players who fit all different styles. No coach can set a system because we don't have a squad of players who can all play one way.
Jose said in an interview that there are a few players still at the club that he wanted rid of 6 years ago. Says everything imo.
GTO-3R said:
CLK-GTR said:
Same system as all the top coaches. High defensive line (only one of our defenders can play this way) and inverted fullbacks (try that with Wan Bissaka), aggressive pressing (Rashford ) to recover possession, fast passing (never happening with the likes of McTominay) into forward players (we have only one, a 21 year old kid).
We have all different players who fit all different styles. No coach can set a system because we don't have a squad of players who can all play one way.
Wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying. The manager has a team that isn't good enough to play a high press, especially at the back (hence dropping deep and leaving a massive hole in our midfield) and he needs another season under a PROPER structure with direction. I honestly don't see how anyone else available is any better as a manager.) to recover possession, fast passing (never happening with the likes of McTominay) into forward players (we have only one, a 21 year old kid). We have all different players who fit all different styles. No coach can set a system because we don't have a squad of players who can all play one way.
Jose said in an interview that there are a few players still at the club that he wanted rid of 6 years ago. Says everything imo.
But despite him being a fraud he’s taking me to Wembley for the 4th time in 15 months having not been for years. Cheers ETH it is what football is all about Trophies and finals. He’s had 3 finals now in 2 years. And if we beat City what a weekend I’m going to have down in the smoke with a load of my red and blue mates. If we lose it’ll be expected like most recent derbies and they’re still great nights.
Forester1965 said:
I guess for those advocating ETH stays, I'd ask;
- How much longer are you prepared to give him
- What would be your minimum expectations for the 24/25 season and
- What would it take to fire him?
-1 more season under a proper management structure that reflects the stature of MU- How much longer are you prepared to give him
- What would be your minimum expectations for the 24/25 season and
- What would it take to fire him?
-Top 5 in the PL to qualify for CL securing revenues. Semis in all 3 cup competitions demonstrating consistent competitive performance at top levels
-Clear and visible tactical/strategic/coaching failures that make the above 2 unachievable. Exit date end of season May25.
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