The Official Leeds United Thread

[JNW1]

Driver101 said:

JNW1 said:

Driver101 said:

The Burnley keeper got the ball first and then contact was obviously going to happen. That's a fair tackle and I don't see that as out of control. He went for the ball and he got the ball. That's not a foul.

That sort of challenge certainly wasn't a foul when I was a lad but nowadays getting the ball first often isn't enough to avoid a foul being given against you! Even when you get the ball first if it's also inevitable the follow through is going to take out the opponent you can often expect to concede a free kick or a penalty and that's what happened to Pope yesterday; not saying I think it's right but that's the way the current rules seem to work....

Driver101 said:

The Leeds keeper went straight through the back of the Burnley player and lead with his knee to get to the ball. That's a foul. It shouldn't have been a decision to have been made as the goal should have stood.

It certainly was a foul by Meslier but the referee got it wrong by awarding the foul the other way round; moreover, he also blew for the free kick before Barnes put the loose ball in the net and once he'd done that I don't think there's any way the goal could have stood.

However, what I don't understand is why VAR didn't intervene and at least ask the referee to have a look at the monitor to satisfy himself he'd got the free kick decision correct. Had he done so he'd have realised he'd got it wrong but at that stage I don't think he could have awarded the goal, all he could have done was award Burnley a penalty.

Opinions of excessive force, out of control or dangerous all come into modern football.

The keeper came to meet Bamford. He didn't charge out and wipe him out with any real force. That to me was fair even in modern rules. All the studio on MOTD last night agreed it was a poor decision. So do the match reports.

Sometimes you get away with a challenge like Pope made yesterday and sometimes you don't; VAR checked the decision, saw no clear mistake so the decision stood. Yes the pundits on MOTD said "no penalty" and I'm sure some match reports concur; however, the report in (for example) The Telegraph said on balance it was the right decision because, although Pope got his studs on the ball, he'd been reckless in the way he followed through on Bamford. So the bottom line is if you make challenges like that nowadays you're taking a risk - good luck to a player if they get away with it but not much point they (or their manager) complaining if they don't.

The decision which (IMO) was completely wrong yesterday was at the other end where Burnley should have had a penalty; still don't understand why VAR didn't intervene with that one as to me it was a clear and obvious mistake by the referee....

[Driver101]

This could be anything tonight. 4-0 already.

[Leicester Loyal]

CustardOnChips said:

Leicester Loyal said:

That was a disgraceful decision to rule their goal out, unbelievable really!

20 points now though, halfway to being safe with just 15 games played.

The goal wasn't ruled out, as the whistle had been blown before the shot was taken. The poor decision was to give a free kick to Meslier. But, those decisions always seem to be in the keepers favour.

Yeah you're correct, it was the right call but shocking of the ref to blow the whistle that early, it's cost Burnley a much needed point.

4-0 up at WBA already, 23 points after 16 games is really good!

[BMW A6]

Leicester Loyal said:

4-0 up at WBA already, 23 points after 16 games is really good!

Less haste.

Don't discount another second half masterclass from fat Sam, as per his last game at Anfield.

[CustardOnChips]

BMW A6 said:

Leicester Loyal said:

4-0 up at WBA already, 23 points after 16 games is really good!

Less haste.

Don't discount another second half masterclass from fat Sam, as per his last game at Anfield.

Much like the defensive masterclass WBA have just put on in the first half?

Leeds have quite a deep back line, which Liverpool didn't. So there is nowhere for WBA to hit long balls over the top to.

[Leicester Loyal]

CustardOnChips said:

BMW A6 said:

Leicester Loyal said:

4-0 up at WBA already, 23 points after 16 games is really good!

Less haste.

Don't discount another second half masterclass from fat Sam, as per his last game at Anfield.

Much like the defensive masterclass WBA have just put on in the first half?

Leeds have quite a deep back line, which Liverpool didn't. So there is nowhere for WBA to hit long balls over the top to.

I think his comment was tongue in cheek

[CustardOnChips]

Leicester Loyal said:

CustardOnChips said:

BMW A6 said:

Leicester Loyal said:

4-0 up at WBA already, 23 points after 16 games is really good!

Less haste.

Don't discount another second half masterclass from fat Sam, as per his last game at Anfield.

Much like the defensive masterclass WBA have just put on in the first half?

Leeds have quite a deep back line, which Liverpool didn't. So there is nowhere for WBA to hit long balls over the top to.

I think his comment was tongue in cheek

[Killer2005]

The 5th goal was delightful.

[Driver101]

Killer2005 said:

The 5th goal was delightful.

It was a quality move and finish.

[CustardOnChips]

That was the most one sided game I have seen for a long time.

If Liverpool or ManCity put in a performance like that the press and pundits would be fapping themselves into a frenzy.

[JNW1]

Thought we were excellent tonight, 5-0 didn't flatter us at all. 23 points from 16 games is pretty decent, keep going the way we are and a mid-table finish looks realistic (and IMO that would be a good achievement in our first season back in the PL).

WBA looked awful though - not sure how they managed draws at City and Liverpool if they played anything like they did tonight....

Edited by JNW1 on Tuesday 29th December 20:36

[dazwalsh]

First goal was a worldie, saw the keeper off his line and went for it. Just a shame it was the wrong net.

Some lovely goals this evening, bossed it. Great result. If we finish mid table i will be very happy this season.

[Zad]

I'm feeling somewhat reassured after that game

The MOTD pundits pretty much were fapping themselves into a frenzy to be honest. Okay that may be overstating it, but there is no doubt that all 3 are big fans of the current team and style. Yes, we weren't playing the greatest team in the world, but in the past, that has only led to the Leeds team not turning up on the day and getting their arses handed to them. Given the result at the weekend, we could almost have been forgiven for playing this cautiously. But oof, some of those goals really were absolutely top quality stuff.

[Munter]

Not a football fan but saw this and thought it was funny.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55485336

You can talk rubbish as a pundit, but if a club dares call you on it, the press want you to think that's wrong.

I'm with Andrea Radrizzani and whoever's in charge of the LUFC twitter account. I see nothing wrong with that tweet.

[Drezza]

Liquid football, shame it's shadowed by the snowflake mob crying sexism because the official club Twitter page dared to mock a female pundit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55485336

Pleased they're sticking to their guns

[Murph7355]

Munter said:

Not a football fan but saw this and thought it was funny.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55485336

You can talk rubbish as a pundit, but if a club dares call you on it, the press want you to think that's wrong.

I'm with Andrea Radrizzani and whoever's in charge of the LUFC twitter account. I see nothing wrong with that tweet.

Just been reading this on the BBC News site - can't believe Leeds are drawing flak over it.

If pundits don't want calling out on the stuff they say, they should think a bit more about what they are saying.

There seems to be a slight whiff of people wanting to make out it's gender related. I suspect the tweet would have been made no matter who said it.

Hopefully the club will leave it there.

(Good performance by Leeds against West Brom. Very green eyed at them this season, doing what we did last year in many respects...sadly Sheff Utd are in danger of making the wrong sorts of records this season )

[Drezza]

Munter said:

Not a football fan but saw this and thought it was funny.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55485336

You can talk rubbish as a pundit, but if a club dares call you on it, the press want you to think that's wrong.

I'm with Andrea Radrizzani and whoever's in charge of the LUFC twitter account. I see nothing wrong with that tweet.

Beat me to it...

Swansea - Nothing
Chris Wilder - Nothing
Gabby Agbonlahor - Nothing
Karen Carney - Outrage

[snotrag]

Absolutely. They have done nothing wrong, and 'backing down' would be absolutely the wrong thing to do.

If you took away the word 'Karen' and just left the whole article at 'Pundit Carney' then this would be a complete non-issue.

[JNW1]

Murph7355 said:

If pundits don't want calling out on the stuff they say, they should think a bit more about what they are saying.

There seems to be a slight whiff of people wanting to make out it's gender related. I suspect the tweet would have been made no matter who said it.

Totally agree with that! If you spout nonsense you can expect to be called-out on it and you shouldn't be insulated from criticism or reaction by virtue of your gender; the issue here isn't with Carney being female, it's with what she said.

[RowntreesCabana]

Munter said:

Not a football fan but saw this and thought it was funny.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55485336

You can talk rubbish as a pundit, but if a club dares call you on it, the press want you to think that's wrong.

I'm with Andrea Radrizzani and whoever's in charge of the LUFC twitter account. I see nothing wrong with that tweet.

LIverpool fan here. Just read this on the BBC and I'm sat here shaking my head. What the hell is wrong with the tweet? Exactly as you say, pundits (who take a job in the media for good money, by choice) can say something that they know is going to be controversial and cannot be called out on it? There can be no recompense? Is it simply because the pundit is female? Ridiculous.

I don't necessarily think it was the right thing to do as I think the club should be above it, but a little part of me also thinks good on them.

Things are getting seriously daft now.