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48Valves said:
£60mil doesn’t seem much when Rice is being touted at nearer £100mil
Agreed, but I think Rice is probably a better player with a higher ceiling (he's only 23) so I can see where the higher value comes from. I think £60m and using that for 3 x £20m squad players would be more useful than keeping him tbh.Drezza said:
I'd rather sell him for £60m + than keep him to be honest, I don't think he's been too effective under Marsch anyway, he has a pretty poor injury record and he's getting on a bit now. Can use the money to get 2 or 3 young players with potential that suit the system more. Seems like Marc Roca will be his replacement so we'll need another CM at least through the door.
Yes, if we got an offer of £60m I'd take that; doubt we'd be able to get much more and no point trying to keep hold of him if he wants to move (which I daresay he would if Man City was an option). In that scenario I think it would be better to part on good terms and move on.Drezza said:
Then it begs the question what will happen with Rapha...
I've always though he was more likely to leave this summer than Phillips and I still think he'll go. For me the same applies - get the most you can for him, part on good terms and move on. Personally I think Rapha should be worth more than KP so I think £120m is the least we should be expecting for the two of them - that should finance some decent (and much needed) strengthening of the squad.
ETA: I see Nunez has been signed by Liverpool for an initial fee of £64m rising to a potential £85m with add-ons; don't see why Rapha would be worth much less than that?
Edited by JNW1 on Tuesday 14th June 19:29
Rapha absolutely shone (most of the time) for a team that beat relegation on the last day of the season. Put him into a top 3 team in any of Europes top leagues and he'll absolutely smash it I reckon. He's too good for Leeds (as much as I hate to say it). All that said, he's said he's happy where he is isn't he? Worst thing to happen would be to sell KP and Rapha this window and out the two, I'd be happier if we kept Rapha.
KP this season since doing so well the three years previous under Bielsa and then in the Euros has been a huge disappointment. I can't recall a single game where he stepped up (when we needed someone/anyone to!) and brought the team together to put that extra bit of fight in. Injuries and just really average performances just lead me to think that any offer over £60m and we snap their hands off. Rice always gets referred to but (as much as I dislike him), he's a better player. Does the defensive stuff KP does but also the attacks and goal scoring that KP doesn't do so well.
Looks like Roca is on his way although from what I've read, he's not a KP replacement. Another exciting signing though - supposedly he was immense at Espanyol and has just struggled to force his way into the Bayern 11. For the money being quoted though, he may prove to be a bargain. Still lots of other rumours floating around too - strikers and more centre mids... all good signs. So far we've not sold anyone but brought in 3 experienced additions in places we needed to improve.
KP this season since doing so well the three years previous under Bielsa and then in the Euros has been a huge disappointment. I can't recall a single game where he stepped up (when we needed someone/anyone to!) and brought the team together to put that extra bit of fight in. Injuries and just really average performances just lead me to think that any offer over £60m and we snap their hands off. Rice always gets referred to but (as much as I dislike him), he's a better player. Does the defensive stuff KP does but also the attacks and goal scoring that KP doesn't do so well.
Looks like Roca is on his way although from what I've read, he's not a KP replacement. Another exciting signing though - supposedly he was immense at Espanyol and has just struggled to force his way into the Bayern 11. For the money being quoted though, he may prove to be a bargain. Still lots of other rumours floating around too - strikers and more centre mids... all good signs. So far we've not sold anyone but brought in 3 experienced additions in places we needed to improve.
KP has given everything for us over the last decade or so. Helped us to promotion, shone in the Premier League and now has over 20 England caps. Realistically, what else can he achieve with us in his lifetime? We may end up back in Europe and challenging for trophies, but realistically not in the next 5 years or so. Man City can offer him that now. The only reservation I'd have if I was him is how much playing time he'll get in the City team.
Rapha is a year younger than KP. My hope is he decides to wait another year until Barcelona get their house in order and give us another year.
Rapha is a year younger than KP. My hope is he decides to wait another year until Barcelona get their house in order and give us another year.
What on earth is going on? Players linked in the last couple of days:
Adama Traore
Noa Lang (thought he'd signed for AC Milan but it seems not)
the PSG striker
Lavia, the young CDM from Man City
Roca on his way today most likely
still rumours about Nketiah
the Burnley defender who gave away that cracking handball on the last day of the season
Camara
a US CDM, Tyler?
Adama Traore
Noa Lang (thought he'd signed for AC Milan but it seems not)
the PSG striker
Lavia, the young CDM from Man City
Roca on his way today most likely
still rumours about Nketiah
the Burnley defender who gave away that cracking handball on the last day of the season
Camara
a US CDM, Tyler?
DaveyBoyWonder said:
What on earth is going on? Players linked in the last couple of days:
Adama Traore
Noa Lang (thought he'd signed for AC Milan but it seems not)
the PSG striker
Lavia, the young CDM from Man City
Roca on his way today most likely
still rumours about Nketiah
the Burnley defender who gave away that cracking handball on the last day of the season
Camara
a US CDM, Tyler?
The same speculation as every transfer window Adama Traore
Noa Lang (thought he'd signed for AC Milan but it seems not)
the PSG striker
Lavia, the young CDM from Man City
Roca on his way today most likely
still rumours about Nketiah
the Burnley defender who gave away that cracking handball on the last day of the season
Camara
a US CDM, Tyler?
Surprised we're not seeing links to De Paul and Ryan Kent still...
Out of that above list the only ones I can see happening are Roca (done deal today), Lavia (deal with Phillips) and the young PSG striker, maybe Collins but think we're sorted for CB positions.
I suspect if Jesus goes to Arsenal from City then they will then try to do a deal with us to get Philips and send the Lavia to us. Can only guess this is why they’ve yet to make a bid so they don’t fall foul of FFP (i say this laughing to myself of course).
As for Raph well Liverpool have just flogged Mane to Bayern and they know we are interested in Minamino so again potential swap deal i guess.
Did hear a rumour we are looking at signing Milner, Gradel, Delph and Lennon as well, think it maybe a news feed from 2010
As for Raph well Liverpool have just flogged Mane to Bayern and they know we are interested in Minamino so again potential swap deal i guess.
Did hear a rumour we are looking at signing Milner, Gradel, Delph and Lennon as well, think it maybe a news feed from 2010
Drezza said:
The same speculation as every transfer window
But not in the space of 48 hours!Roca in which looks good. I thought it was an attacking player but it does sound like he's a holding/defensive player. Everything I've read about him sounds positive...
More bits over the weekend suggest we've offered 17m for the PSG striker but they want a buy-back option (I guess in case Neymar, Messi and Mbappe turn out to be a bit rubbish).
Assuming we keep Phillips and Raphina, a decent second striker is the obvious gap now.
Rumours Middlesbrough want Tyler Roberts. I really like the guy and I reckon a season loan to a championship club would be perfect for him.
Looks like Arsenal are in the picture for Raphinha now, although it could all be deliberate ploy to get Barcelona to pull their finger out and pony up a decent offer for him. I don't like how many rumours are played out in the media, like how Leeds are prepared to lower their asking price for him. Just why would they do that?
And please, Victor Orta, do not buy Adama Traore!! He'd be better suited to Leeds Rhinos than LUFC. Get over your fixation of players you rated highly 3 years ago (see Dan James).
Don't know much about the 3 signings made so far. Lets hope they are shrewd buys and not just Jesse focussing on the limited Red Bull / American pool of talent. Surely we can cast a wider net than that.
I think it's been noticeable lately how many quality players seem to have or be running down their contracts to be available as free transfers. It seems to be a lot more common and a sign of the times maybe that clubs are being a bit more frugal. Might be a while before we see any more £100m+ fees paid for anyone
Apparently Barcelona had personal terms agreed with Raph a while back but the fee is the sticking point (didn’t think they could things that way round). Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea also interested, 65-75 million seems to be figure being banded about and Barcelona seemed to be somewhere around 50-55 million because you know they are poor now - apparently. I’m certain he wants Champions League football.
Feels like its been going on forever and Arsenal seem to have spent as long pursuing Gabriel Jesus as anyone and thats another story sticking about and seemingly going nowhere. Nothing to do with Leeds, but one sale leads to another so Arsenal spending up on Jesus may stop them going for Raph but that gives City the capacity to move for Philips.
The stories on Raph and Philips are getting annoying and I’m sure will only get worse as the transfer window deadline approaches. If they both leave then so be it, can’t stop it but equally I don’t expect the club to just lie down over the price on either of them. There is also the winter World Cup to think of, as if we can somehow hang onto them both and they both do well then that will inflate the price and interest as well.
As for Adama I’ve no idea what he is (baring a spokesperson for Johnson and Johnson). There is clearly talent in there but you just never see it often enough, then you do and you think he’s gonna do something and then he doesn’t. I’m still of the opinion that Dan James is a good player, sadly his feet are faster than his brain, but if he could find a happy medium i think he’d do well, and find a new hairdresser.
The players we’ve got in so far seem like good buys, obviously untested in the premier league but the price we paid doesn’t seem too bad so i’m hopeful. We shelled out 30 on Rodrigo which hasn’t worked out so great thus far (although i really want him to do well and have a good season). I’d like to see another LB and a striker/goal scorer come in as well then i think we could class ourselves as having some degree of squad depth.
Feels like its been going on forever and Arsenal seem to have spent as long pursuing Gabriel Jesus as anyone and thats another story sticking about and seemingly going nowhere. Nothing to do with Leeds, but one sale leads to another so Arsenal spending up on Jesus may stop them going for Raph but that gives City the capacity to move for Philips.
The stories on Raph and Philips are getting annoying and I’m sure will only get worse as the transfer window deadline approaches. If they both leave then so be it, can’t stop it but equally I don’t expect the club to just lie down over the price on either of them. There is also the winter World Cup to think of, as if we can somehow hang onto them both and they both do well then that will inflate the price and interest as well.
As for Adama I’ve no idea what he is (baring a spokesperson for Johnson and Johnson). There is clearly talent in there but you just never see it often enough, then you do and you think he’s gonna do something and then he doesn’t. I’m still of the opinion that Dan James is a good player, sadly his feet are faster than his brain, but if he could find a happy medium i think he’d do well, and find a new hairdresser.
The players we’ve got in so far seem like good buys, obviously untested in the premier league but the price we paid doesn’t seem too bad so i’m hopeful. We shelled out 30 on Rodrigo which hasn’t worked out so great thus far (although i really want him to do well and have a good season). I’d like to see another LB and a striker/goal scorer come in as well then i think we could class ourselves as having some degree of squad depth.
I don't see Raphina moving to a club that can't offer Champions League football next season but I do think it's likely he'll go to a club that can; therefore, if Arsenal's interest helps to inflate the price that's no bad thing as far as I'm concerned! The rumours linking Phillips to Man City don't seem to be going away either so sadly I think both he and Rapha will be gone this summer.
As others have said, we're once again being linked with all and sundry in terms of potential signings and obviously not all the rumours can be true. I had heard there might be some substance to the talk linking us to Kalimuendo from PSG but if they insist on a buy-back clause I guess that could be a sticking point depending on the terms? Tyler Adams also seems to get a regular mention as do both McAtee and Lavia at Man City (in the context of being part of any deal for KP). All sound decent but how many of them happen - if any - is still anyone's guess.
Of the names I've seen in the media I can't say I'd be keen on splashing money for Traore; he's quick and strong but from what I've seen he often fails to deliver a decent end product. And I can only hope the talk about Phil Jones was just a joke!
As others have said, we're once again being linked with all and sundry in terms of potential signings and obviously not all the rumours can be true. I had heard there might be some substance to the talk linking us to Kalimuendo from PSG but if they insist on a buy-back clause I guess that could be a sticking point depending on the terms? Tyler Adams also seems to get a regular mention as do both McAtee and Lavia at Man City (in the context of being part of any deal for KP). All sound decent but how many of them happen - if any - is still anyone's guess.
Of the names I've seen in the media I can't say I'd be keen on splashing money for Traore; he's quick and strong but from what I've seen he often fails to deliver a decent end product. And I can only hope the talk about Phil Jones was just a joke!
We're already good for wingers with little end product so Traore would be a crazy signing.
Arsenal supposedly bid for Rapha and was turned down. I'd rather not see him go to another prem club - hopefully that prompts a big European club to come in for him. No idea why other Spanish clubs aren't all over him...
Minamino off to Monaco too - thankfully!
Arsenal supposedly bid for Rapha and was turned down. I'd rather not see him go to another prem club - hopefully that prompts a big European club to come in for him. No idea why other Spanish clubs aren't all over him...
Minamino off to Monaco too - thankfully!
DaveyBoyWonder said:
We're already good for wingers with little end product so Traore would be a crazy signing.
Arsenal supposedly bid for Rapha and was turned down. I'd rather not see him go to another prem club - hopefully that prompts a big European club to come in for him. No idea why other Spanish clubs aren't all over him...
Minamino off to Monaco too - thankfully!
Apparently Barcelona is his preferred but they can't afford him and potentially keeping Dembele. Would hate to see him play against us in the Premiership and if he went to Arsenal/Spurs/Chelsea there is no guarantee he'd be starting games which he needs to keep his spot in the Brazil team. Best bet all around would be for him to stay until after the world Cup when other Champions league clubs may be interested. Arsenal supposedly bid for Rapha and was turned down. I'd rather not see him go to another prem club - hopefully that prompts a big European club to come in for him. No idea why other Spanish clubs aren't all over him...
Minamino off to Monaco too - thankfully!
Killer2005 said:
Would hate to see him play against us in the Premiership and if he went to Arsenal/Spurs/Chelsea there is no guarantee he'd be starting games which he needs to keep his spot in the Brazil team. Best bet all around would be for him to stay until after the world Cup when other Champions league clubs may be interested.
I think Rapha would be good enough to start regularly for Arsenal and Spurs and maybe Chelsea as well; however, I'd agree there's more chance of him being left out than would be the case if he stayed with us. You can also the same with Phillips going to Man City - he'd have possibly even less of a guaranteed starting place there than Raphina would have moving to any of the aforementioned London clubs.€30m bid for Otávio (Porto) rejected yesterday according to @pedromsepulveda
Also from Romano:
"Excl: Leeds are monitoring Bruges star Charles De Ketelaere as one of the options in the list, as Raphinha could leave for £65m. AC Milan are also interested in De Ketelaere since long time, part of the list. #LUFC
Leeds list also includes Cody Gakpo but not advanced/close."
Would be amazed if we got either of them, some really exciting links coming out and If we get these I think we could be stronger than with Rapha/ Phillips...
Also from Romano:
"Excl: Leeds are monitoring Bruges star Charles De Ketelaere as one of the options in the list, as Raphinha could leave for £65m. AC Milan are also interested in De Ketelaere since long time, part of the list. #LUFC
Leeds list also includes Cody Gakpo but not advanced/close."
Would be amazed if we got either of them, some really exciting links coming out and If we get these I think we could be stronger than with Rapha/ Phillips...
Man City have reached an agreement to buy Philips - £42m +£3m with Darko Gyabi joining separately for £5m fixed. Deal is now being finalised between both clubs.
Not surprising, but still disappointing.
Not surprising, but still disappointing.
Edited by Finglescave on Friday 24th June 17:46
Edited by Finglescave on Friday 24th June 18:02
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