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JNW1 said:
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You were doing ok until you mentioned the support of Man City, without doing the research you've obviously done, I would say Man City were always well supported through thick and thin.Anyway how did the NUFC thread end up being about THFC? I have the sole rights to talk about other clubs on here
JNW1 said:
SwipeRight said:
When Spurs last went down for one year they set away attendance records all over the country for a 2nd division team. They also filled old White Hart Lane most weeks.
Not true! When Spurs were last in the old 2nd division (1977/78) the capacity at the old White Hart Lane was just over 50,000; however, only once did they get that for a home game during that season and a lot of the time attendances were more like high 20k's or low 30k's (so nowhere near filling the stadium as you suggest). In contrast, when Newcastle were in the Championship recently they were still getting 50k for almost every home game.I'm not sure about setting away attendance records all over the country but given the claim about home attendances is obvious nonsense I rather suspect the same applies to the claim about Tottenham's away following as well....
SwipeRight said:
Spurs currently hold other records for attendance (European home attendance)
Really? Celtic played Leeds at Hampden Park in the semi-final of the European Cup in 1970 and the attendance was just over 136k - might be wrong but I don't think Tottenham have hosted a European game where the attendance has been anything like that?SwipeRight said:
worldwide shirt sales easily outstrip Newcastles. We also have a huge waiting list for season tickets and easily sell out every week at our new ground.
There is no metric I can think of that would make Newcastle bigger than Spurs at this time.
Any Financial, Attendance or Achievement metric you care to name.
I think your reference to "at this time" probably speaks volumes as you come across as someone who's probably relatively young with little or no grasp of the history. Of course Tottenham are currently more successful than Newcastle (and indeed most other English clubs) and hats off to them for what they've achieved; however, just because they're doing well at the moment doesn't make them a bigger club than the likes of Newcastle - better run certainly but not bigger IMHO. There is no metric I can think of that would make Newcastle bigger than Spurs at this time.
Any Financial, Attendance or Achievement metric you care to name.
In similar vein I'd argue Manchester City and Chelsea are in some respects no bigger than Newcastle; they just happen to have owners with deep pockets who've been prepared to invest heavily to achieve success. However, historically neither of those clubs has commanded the sort of following through thick and thin that Newcastle has enjoyed - if grass roots support is a measure of how big a club is then in my view Newcastle are one of the biggest clubs in England. And to reiterate, I'm not saying this as a Newcastle fan!
I think you'll find we are 7th and you are 12th
You're wrong about the 2nd division games too as at the time our away record at, for instance, Brighton set their attendance record at the time.
English record attendance in Europe, we're top: https://talksport.com/football/130965/record-footb...
Yes, Newcastle were a big club but then again so were Portsmouth, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa etc.
You come across as someone who has an axe to grind over this, perhaps a sad gooner, who knows, but your grasp of who is and who isn't a big club is poor. And I'd happily bet that I'm older than you too and with far more experience of football than you.
Again, any Financial, Attendance or Achievement metric you care to name? Give me the basis for your "bigger club" comment.
They have more famous number 9's than you, Alan Shearer, Hughie Gallacher, Jackie Milburn, Supermac .....errr that's it 
As you're on about fans Danny Blanchflower knew the score
“I remember sitting in a capacity crowd in Barcelona, the wild excitement of a cup-tie at St.James’s Park and over 60,000 Manchester United fanatics packing the ground at Old Trafford this season. These and many more scenes of wild thrills I remember. But nothing I have ever heard equalled the intensity of that wild roar at Roker Park when Sunderland drew level. As we fished the ball out of the net and those wild-with-delight Sunderland fans streamed onto the field, I began to realise what the man meant when he coined the phrase ‘an ear-splitting roar’. I know the north-east is a fanatical soccer area but I doubt whether it has ever seen such excitement before – or ever will again.”
As you're on about fans Danny Blanchflower knew the score
“I remember sitting in a capacity crowd in Barcelona, the wild excitement of a cup-tie at St.James’s Park and over 60,000 Manchester United fanatics packing the ground at Old Trafford this season. These and many more scenes of wild thrills I remember. But nothing I have ever heard equalled the intensity of that wild roar at Roker Park when Sunderland drew level. As we fished the ball out of the net and those wild-with-delight Sunderland fans streamed onto the field, I began to realise what the man meant when he coined the phrase ‘an ear-splitting roar’. I know the north-east is a fanatical soccer area but I doubt whether it has ever seen such excitement before – or ever will again.”
BadBull said:
I've never had any animosity towards Spurs. Tottenham fans I know in real life are decent guys.
It's the ones on here that change people's views of Spurs.
Says the returning wum It's the ones on here that change people's views of Spurs.
I do think theres some black and white tinted glasses on here, i cant honestly cant think of a single metric where newcastle are bigger, in fact Newcastle's best players have been leaving Newcastle to come to Tottenham pretty much my entire life, Waddle, gazza, ginola.
Ive no axe to grind wuite like Newcastle actually so its not as if it really matters it just seems a pretty inaccurate statement to describe Newcastle as a 'much bigger club', when there doesn't appear any basis for it at all.
Newcastle are a HUGE club in Newcastle, once you leave that bubble... not so much.
ray von said:
JNW1 said:
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You were doing ok until you mentioned the support of Man City, without doing the research you've obviously done, I would say Man City were always well supported through thick and thin.In contrast, last time Newcastle were in the Championship their average home attendance was over 51k and very close to capacity at St James' Park. Even last season - when City won three trophies - they averaged only 3k more for each home game than Newcastle; in fairness both grounds were pretty much sold out every week but would City have averaged over 50k if they'd endured a season like Newcastle? Doubt it somehow....
SwipeRight said:
You're wrong about the 2nd division games too as at the time our away record at, for instance, Brighton set their attendance record at the time.
Your assertion was when Spurs were last in the 2nd tier they filled White Hart Lane most weeks; however, the facts show they didn't, not even close. Moreover, for a chunk of the 1980's - when Spurs were back in the top tier - they still struggled to average over 30k for home games when the capacity for White Hart Lane was over 50k. I appreciate the 70's and 80's were different times for football but regardless of that Spurs certainly weren't filling White Hart Lane back then.SwipeRight said:
English record attendance in Europe, we're top: https://talksport.com/football/130965/record-footb...
Ah, modifying it to English only now! However, that game was played at Wembley so who's to say another English club (such as Liverpool or Man Utd) wouldn't be able to exceed that figure if the capacity of their grounds allowed? After all, I'm sure if someone had said to you a couple of years ago that Spurs only get 35k for home games you'd have responded with "that's because we can't fit any more in".... SwipeRight said:
You come across as someone who has an axe to grind over this, perhaps a sad gooner, who knows, but your grasp of who is and who isn't a big club is poor. And I'd happily bet that I'm older than you too and with far more experience of football than you.
Again, any Financial, Attendance or Achievement metric you care to name? Give me the basis for your "bigger club" comment.
How to define a big club is always subjective but personally I consider the size of the grass roots fan base to be one of the major factors and (IMO) part of how you measure that is how attendances hold-up in the bad times. It's easy to be a fair weather supporter who turns-up when things are going well but only genuine big clubs can continue to command support in large numbers when times are difficult; I reckon there are very few English clubs that would average 50k for home attendances in the Championship and any that do - as Newcastle did - are a big club in my book.Again, any Financial, Attendance or Achievement metric you care to name? Give me the basis for your "bigger club" comment.
SwipeRight said:
Newcastle will never be bigger than Spurs in my lifetime.
Unless you haven't got long to live how do you know that?! 
Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
JNW1 said:
Unless you haven't got long to live how do you know that?!
Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
But Newcastle's support is only big in Newcastle which it obviously would be as there's no one else to support, outside of Newcastle its nothing Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
http://www.stadium-maps.com/facts/epl_facebook_tab...
https://travel.zeelo.co/the-top-15-biggest-and-mos...
Pick any link in google none will support your argument
Ascayman said:
JNW1 said:
Unless you haven't got long to live how do you know that?!
Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
But Newcastle's support is only big in Newcastle which it obviously would be as there's no one else to support, outside of Newcastle its nothing Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
http://www.stadium-maps.com/facts/epl_facebook_tab...
https://travel.zeelo.co/the-top-15-biggest-and-mos...
Pick any link in google none will support your argument
In your first link, two of the clubs in the top three (Man City and Chelsea) are, with the greatest respect, Johnny come latelys who are only there because rich owners came along and financed a transformation in what was happening on the pitch. Prior to that I'd argue neither was any bigger than Newcastle so, if Newcastle were to be bought by some rich billionaire or consortium that was prepared to plough hundreds of millions into the club, why couldn't they do a Man City or a Chelsea? The global support of those two is simply a reflection of the recent success they've had on the pitch and that success has been bought - therefore, given the right owner, why couldn't a club like Newcastle do something similar?
JNW1 said:
Ascayman said:
JNW1 said:
Unless you haven't got long to live how do you know that?!
Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
But Newcastle's support is only big in Newcastle which it obviously would be as there's no one else to support, outside of Newcastle its nothing Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
http://www.stadium-maps.com/facts/epl_facebook_tab...
https://travel.zeelo.co/the-top-15-biggest-and-mos...
Pick any link in google none will support your argument
In your first link, two of the clubs in the top three (Man City and Chelsea) are, with the greatest respect, Johnny come latelys who are only there because rich owners came along and financed a transformation in what was happening on the pitch. Prior to that I'd argue neither was any bigger than Newcastle so, if Newcastle were to be bought by some rich billionaire or consortium that was prepared to plough hundreds of millions into the club, why couldn't they do a Man City or a Chelsea? The global support of those two is simply a reflection of the recent success they've had on the pitch and that success has been bought - therefore, given the right owner, why couldn't a club like Newcastle do something similar?
tholes like Bristol have two teams, hence the support gets divided. When you consider Utd winning everything and City still pulling in massive crowds in the lower leagues, that is more impressive imho.JNW1 said:
SwipeRight said:
English record attendance in Europe, we're top: https://talksport.com/football/130965/record-footb...
Ah, modifying it to English only now! However, that game was played at Wembley so who's to say another English club (such as Liverpool or Man Utd) wouldn't be able to exceed that figure if the capacity of their grounds allowed? After all, I'm sure if someone had said to you a couple of years ago that Spurs only get 35k for home games you'd have responded with "that's because we can't fit any more in".... Anyway, this is all rather silly, give me a shout when you have a metric you can quote that shows Newcastle are "bigger" than Spurs.
BrabusMog said:
JNW1 said:
Ascayman said:
JNW1 said:
Unless you haven't got long to live how do you know that?!
Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
But Newcastle's support is only big in Newcastle which it obviously would be as there's no one else to support, outside of Newcastle its nothing Joking aside, all it takes is a new owner to buy Newcastle and their fortunes could be transformed very quickly; back in 2003 Chelsea looked destined to be the next Leeds but along came Abramovich and two years later they were Premier League champions. If someone with similar financial clout were to buy Newcastle they could soon get to a stage where success on the field matches their support off it and if that happened they'd be a bigger club than Spurs (IMO!).
http://www.stadium-maps.com/facts/epl_facebook_tab...
https://travel.zeelo.co/the-top-15-biggest-and-mos...
Pick any link in google none will support your argument
In your first link, two of the clubs in the top three (Man City and Chelsea) are, with the greatest respect, Johnny come latelys who are only there because rich owners came along and financed a transformation in what was happening on the pitch. Prior to that I'd argue neither was any bigger than Newcastle so, if Newcastle were to be bought by some rich billionaire or consortium that was prepared to plough hundreds of millions into the club, why couldn't they do a Man City or a Chelsea? The global support of those two is simply a reflection of the recent success they've had on the pitch and that success has been bought - therefore, given the right owner, why couldn't a club like Newcastle do something similar?
tholes like Bristol have two teams, hence the support gets divided. When you consider Utd winning everything and City still pulling in massive crowds in the lower leagues, that is more impressive imho.And just in terms of the "you're" and "you", I repeat again I'm not actually a Newcastle fan!
SwipeRight said:
JNW1 said:
SwipeRight said:
English record attendance in Europe, we're top: https://talksport.com/football/130965/record-footb...
Ah, modifying it to English only now! However, that game was played at Wembley so who's to say another English club (such as Liverpool or Man Utd) wouldn't be able to exceed that figure if the capacity of their grounds allowed? After all, I'm sure if someone had said to you a couple of years ago that Spurs only get 35k for home games you'd have responded with "that's because we can't fit any more in".... Anyway, this is all rather silly, give me a shout when you have a metric you can quote that shows Newcastle are "bigger" than Spurs.
JNW1 said:
I bear Spurs no malice but, if they start to struggle, it will be interesting to see whether they manage to fill their new White Hart Lane stadium consistently; as I said before, the true test of real support is how many turn-up when things are going badly....
Newcastle are mid table in the prem just spent a fortune and yet you can buy a season ticket today if you want it. Try buying a Tottenham one and you'll be on the waiting list for years. This is bonkers im out
Ascayman said:
Newcastle are mid table in the prem just spent a fortune and yet you can buy a season ticket today if you want it. Try buying a Tottenham one and you'll be on the waiting list for years.
This is bonkers im out
Pmsl Tottenham are possible title contenders and Newcastle almost certain relegation fodder and at their lowest ebb since before KK took over in the early 90s, thousands of fans are boycotting the matches ffs. I'm sure Newcastle would have no trouble filling wembley if they were a top 6 team.This is bonkers im out
Not really comparing like with like are we. They'd probably close half your ground if you had the same prospects we did!
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