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[Sparkyhd]

uk66fastback said:

As regards Moyes' 'slapping' problems last week, I think the really criminal comment was his reply to the question as to whether he felt any pressure with the owners in the stand etc. He smiled and said not at all. Get him gone. With that attitude the guy is a total fraud as a manager.

Strange thing is another Premier club will sign Moyes next season. I wish I could find the secret to how fking up gets you your next job. Currently I've only perfected the fking up stage.

[Axionknight]

uk66fastback said:

Axionknight said:

Well, that was a wasted journey, but at least the beers on the train home were good - I wouldn't mind 'em losing if they actually looked like that gave a fk in the process, the difference between what Fat Sam had last at this stage of last season, and what we have now, despite the core of the squad being pretty similar, is night and day - inexcusable, pathetic and embarrassing.

I have bought tickets for the Bournemouth game, April 29th, but it's a hundred quid in train fees and a bit of top for some beer and food, and I can't be arsed making the journey down from Aberdeen frankly - stuff 'em.

I'm not surprised when you see players earning a week what some supporters earn in a year looking like they can't be arsed. With a gobste manager who has now finally, been found out to be lacking any tactical and motivational skills.

As regards Moyes' 'slapping' problems last week, I think the really criminal comment was his reply to the question as to whether he felt any pressure with the owners in the stand etc. He smiled and said not at all. Get him gone. With that attitude the guy is a total fraud as a manager.

I was over the moon when they set Moyes on, sure he's a miserable, dour faced bd, but his time at Everton is something that I'd love the club to emulate, alas, we've started off by going the other way. I think the game has moved on and he hasn't - as evidenced by the fact that we are currently Sunderton United in terms of the signings he has made

The guy won't look past anything other than damage limitation - and even that has gone to pot because the players on the pitch clearly don't give a damn, you could see it at the game too, there didn't seem to be much in the way of squad unity and they were getting on each others case after making silly mistakes etc, I really don't see us winning another game this season, our goose isn't just cooked, it's burnt to cinders.

As for next season, well, I'd like to see him go too. I thought he was the man for the job when he came in but clearly I was wrong, I'd rather somebody younger and hungry for the game was in charge rather than cynical old Davey - then again perhaps nobody could have saved us, we've been asking for this for years and have, over the last five seasons, only managed to hang on due to some last ditch heroics.

The only time in the last five seasons or so where I've truly thought "damn, this aint bad, lets have some more of this" was the final two and a half to three months of last season, I know Big Sam gets a lot of stick, but he had us set up well, we were tough to beat (lost just one of our last twelve games and that was against Leicester who were flying) and the football wasn't bad either, sure it wasn't exactly Barcelona standard but the accusations of hoofball being levelled at him were bks - we were playing a lone striker who is about five feet seven in height and he was putting the ball in the net for fun, no such luck this season with Moyes saying that we can't do it without a target man - well, we fking can, because we fking did pal, he's so inflexible it's unreal, I think he's finished as a manager, his confidence is wrecked, the game has moved on whilst he hasn't and he is bereft of ideas, he's super safe though, there isn't a PL manager that has Moyes' level of job security, they'll never sack him.

Will be bounce straight back? Nope, I don't believe we will, more akin to Villa/Norwich than Newcastle is where I see us next season, the main thing I am hoping for is a mass clear out of the dead wood (and there's a lot of it) and a fresh start with some of the younger players we had prior to Moyes starting, plus a couple of the ones he has brought in.

Oh, and I hope that Papy Djilobodji is never seen in a Sunderland shirt again, I don't know if he was a Moyes signing or not - I heard rumours that Allardyce was looking at him prior to his departure so perhaps he was purchased by the clubs back room staff or something along those lines, but whoever got him in wants the fking sack, every time he gets the ball it's a case of "OH NOES, NOT PAPY", he's just that bad.

Mannone (rubbish)
Lescott (was a four month deal anyway)
Djilobodji (rubbish)
O'shea (age:451, contract is up too)
Kone (lazy, not a patch on last season)
Larsson (ineffective, contract is up too)
Rodwell (rubbish, always has been)
Pienaar (old)
Gibson (rubbish, ale cart)
Kirchoff (was immense last season, but is a cripple and his contract is up)
Borini (lazy, shadow of himself compared to pre injury)

They all need to go. Denayer and Stick Legs Janazuj will be at the end of their loan deals so they'll be gone too - mass clear out ahoy. Billy Jones and Oviedo would make a good right and left back pairing for the championship I reckon, Cattermole would suit that league fine, Khazri would, if he got a game and was playing like he did in his first season but it wouldn't surprise me to see him gone as Moyes won't play him, he'd be a beast of a centre forward down there IMO, then it's the young lads, Love, McNair, Gooch, Watmore and the likes to build a squad around, hopefully with a manager that has some fire in his belly - I'd take a few seasons of that over what I've just seen this last eight months any day of the week.

Defoe will go too - I've read that we can't charge a fee for him if (when) we go down, which sums our club up perfectly, I wouldn't hold anything against him for leaving either, he's a cracking player and his goals have bailed us out time and again, I wish him all the best. I'd like to see the club keep hold of Pickford, alas, I'm not sure how that will pan out, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold him and used the cash to build a championship squad, but I hope I'm wrong and he sticks it out, whatever happens the turn over of players SHOULD be immense during the off season, if it isn't, then God help us frankly.

Edited by Axionknight on Monday 10th April 14:49

[Challo]

Axionknight said:

uk66fastback said:

Axionknight said:

Well, that was a wasted journey, but at least the beers on the train home were good - I wouldn't mind 'em losing if they actually looked like that gave a fk in the process, the difference between what Fat Sam had last at this stage of last season, and what we have now, despite the core of the squad being pretty similar, is night and day - inexcusable, pathetic and embarrassing.

I have bought tickets for the Bournemouth game, April 29th, but it's a hundred quid in train fees and a bit of top for some beer and food, and I can't be arsed making the journey down from Aberdeen frankly - stuff 'em.

I'm not surprised when you see players earning a week what some supporters earn in a year looking like they can't be arsed. With a gobste manager who has now finally, been found out to be lacking any tactical and motivational skills.

As regards Moyes' 'slapping' problems last week, I think the really criminal comment was his reply to the question as to whether he felt any pressure with the owners in the stand etc. He smiled and said not at all. Get him gone. With that attitude the guy is a total fraud as a manager.

I was over the moon when they set Moyes on, sure he's a miserable, dour faced bd, but his time at Everton is something that I'd love the club to emulate, alas, we've started off by going the other way. I think the game has moved on and he hasn't - as evidenced by the fact that we are currently Sunderton United in terms of the signings he has made

The guy won't look past anything other than damage limitation - and even that has gone to pot because the players on the pitch clearly don't give a damn, you could see it at the game too, there didn't seem to be much in the way of squad unity and they were getting on each others case after making silly mistakes etc, I really don't see us winning another game this season, our goose isn't just cooked, it's burnt to cinders.

As for next season, well, I'd like to see him go too. I thought he was the man for the job when he came in but clearly I was wrong, I'd rather somebody younger and hungry for the game was in charge rather than cynical old Davey - then again perhaps nobody could have saved us, we've been asking for this for years and have, over the last five seasons, only managed to hang on due to some last ditch heroics.

The only time in the last five seasons or so where I've truly thought "damn, this aint bad, lets have some more of this" was the final two and a half to three months of last season, I know Big Sam gets a lot of stick, but he had us set up well, we were tough to beat (lost just one of our last twelve games and that was against Leicester who were flying) and the football wasn't bad either, sure it wasn't exactly Barcelona standard but the accusations of hoofball being levelled at him were bks - we were playing a lone striker who is about five feet seven in height and he was putting the ball in the net for fun, no such luck this season with Moyes saying that we can't do it without a target man - well, we fking can, because we fking did pal, he's so inflexible it's unreal, I think he's finished as a manager, his confidence is wrecked, the game has moved on whilst he hasn't and he is bereft of ideas, he's super safe though, there isn't a PL manager that has Moyes' level of job security, they'll never sack him.

Will be bounce straight back? Nope, I don't believe we will, more akin to Villa/Norwich than Newcastle is where I see us next season, the main thing I am hoping for is a mass clear out of the dead wood (and there's a lot of it) and a fresh start with some of the younger players we had prior to Moyes starting, plus a couple of the ones he has brought in.

Oh, and I hope that Papy Djilobodji is never seen in a Sunderland shirt again, I don't know if he was a Moyes signing or not - I heard rumours that Allardyce was looking at him prior to his departure so perhaps he was purchased by the clubs back room staff or something along those lines, but whoever got him in wants the fking sack, every time he gets the ball it's a case of "OH NOES, NOT PAPY", he's just that bad.

Mannone (rubbish)
Lescott (was a four month deal anyway)
Djilobodji (rubbish)
O'shea (age:451, contract is up too)
Kone (lazy, not a patch on last season)
Larsson (ineffective, contract is up too)
Rodwell (rubbish, always has been)
Pienaar (old)
Gibson (rubbish, ale cart)
Kirchoff (was immense last season, but is a cripple and his contract is up)
Borini (lazy, shadow of himself compared to pre injury)

They all need to go. Denayer and Stick Legs Janazuj will be at the end of their loan deals so they'll be gone too - mass clear out ahoy. Billy Jones and Oviedo would make a good right and left back pairing for the championship I reckon, Cattermole would suit that league fine, Khazri would, if he got a game and was playing like he did in his first season but it wouldn't surprise me to see him gone as Moyes won't play him, he'd be a beast of a centre forward down there IMO, then it's the young lads, Love, McNair, Gooch, Watmore and the likes to build a squad around, hopefully with a manager that has some fire in his belly - I'd take a few seasons of that over what I've just seen this last eight months any day of the week.

Defoe will go too - I've read that we can't charge a fee for him if (when) we go down, which sums our club up perfectly, I wouldn't hold anything against him for leaving either, he's a cracking player and his goals have bailed us out time and again, I wish him all the best. I'd like to see the club keep hold of Pickford, alas, I'm not sure how that will pan out, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold him and used the cash to build a championship squad, but I hope I'm wrong and he sticks it out, whatever happens the turn over of players SHOULD be immense during the off season, if it isn't, then God help us frankly.

Edited by Axionknight on Monday 10th April 14:49

Agree on you guys needing a clearout. Just seems to be a sticking plaster every year and bringing a who's who of prem has-beens looking to pick up a wage. Some of the dross is outstanding. Moyes just seems another wasted appointment, wrong manager who has bought some more dross to the club.

A clear the decks policy can only be a good thing.

[Axionknight]

It does indeed seem to be a sticking plaster year on year, the root causes aren't addressed and here we are again - only, we aren't getting away with it this time.

A clear out is definitely needed, people like Rodwell and Borini will be earning upwards of fifty grand a week for example - and they're ste.

[ray von]

Axionknight said:

Cattermole would suit that league fine, Khazri would, if he got a game and was playing like he did in his first season but it wouldn't surprise me to see him gone as Moyes won't play him, he'd be a beast of a centre forward down there IMO,

Canny post but I hope the rage caused a typo there. fking Khazri he's everything that is wrong with the club, over paid, over weight, heartless waste of space.
A beast of a centre forward? Do you mean Anchibe?

[Axionknight]

ray von said:

Axionknight said:

Cattermole would suit that league fine, Khazri would, if he got a game and was playing like he did in his first season but it wouldn't surprise me to see him gone as Moyes won't play him, he'd be a beast of a centre forward down there IMO,

Canny post but I hope the rage caused a typo there. fking Khazri he's everything that is wrong with the club, over paid, over weight, heartless waste of space.
A beast of a centre forward? Do you mean Anchibe?

Big Vic is a crock half the time - when he's on fire he is a beast though, I remember watching him play against Bournemouth and he bullied the arse out of their defence, they couldn't get the ball off of him for toffee and when he scored I thought that the sticks were gonna collapse he hit the ball that hard

I thought Khazri was ace last season, but he isn't getting play time - he's always looked a big podgy IMO - it didn't stop him last season. I reckon if he was 100% fit he'd be a good player down in the championship, plus after seeing Adnan Janazuj and Seb Larsson taking set pieces I'm just desperate for somebody who can actually kick a ball properly tbh,

What's your thoughts on N'Dong? I think he's quick and works quite well, but isn't the finished article yet, he could be a good engine for our midfield next season if he can step up and take the responsibility, dunno if the club could recoup their outlay on him if we go down.

Edited by Axionknight on Monday 10th April 18:21

[uk66fastback]

It's such a bleedin' shame though as a club and a city for this to happen. You've got the rivals up the road and the Smoggies too - and you'll probably all be swapping leagues for next season.

Why is he still there and why won't he be sacked - he would have done by now anywhere else I am sure. Do they really see the future as being Moysey?

I agree, would be good to see a younger manager get it - a Karl Robinson, someone of that age. If you look at DM's record post-Goodision it is as bad as anything going, surely?

But let's face it, he is under zero pressure for results it seems. Not good. Probably the only bloke in the top league with more job security is Wenger and look at Arsenal's challenge this year, woeful.

[FN2TypeR]

uk66fastback said:

It's such a bleedin' shame though as a club and a city for this to happen. You've got the rivals up the road and the Smoggies too - and you'll probably all be swapping leagues for next season.

Why is he still there and why won't he be sacked- he would have done by now anywhere else I am sure. Do they really see the future as being Moysey?

I agree, would be good to see a younger manager get it - a Karl Robinson, someone of that age. If you look at DM's record post-Goodision it is as bad as anything going, surely?

But let's face it, he is under zero pressure for results it seems. Not good. Probably the only bloke in the top league with more job security is Wenger and look at Arsenal's challenge this year, woeful.

Apparently the owner wanted him to come onboard for years, probably due to what he did at Everton in getting a team stable in the Premier League on a budget of £3.28, and rather than just throwing him out of the door like he always has done in the past he's sticking with him man. From what I gather from various sunderland forums etc the owner wants out, because he's pissing money away, surely the best way to sell up would be with the club in the Premier League, but that's obviously not gonna happen - either he's taking relegation on the chin and giving Moyes the benefit of the doubt about getting them promoted again or he's too tight to buy him out of his contract and fire him,

[Challo]

FN2TypeR said:

uk66fastback said:

It's such a bleedin' shame though as a club and a city for this to happen. You've got the rivals up the road and the Smoggies too - and you'll probably all be swapping leagues for next season.

Why is he still there and why won't he be sacked- he would have done by now anywhere else I am sure. Do they really see the future as being Moysey?

I agree, would be good to see a younger manager get it - a Karl Robinson, someone of that age. If you look at DM's record post-Goodision it is as bad as anything going, surely?

But let's face it, he is under zero pressure for results it seems. Not good. Probably the only bloke in the top league with more job security is Wenger and look at Arsenal's challenge this year, woeful.

Apparently the owner wanted him to come onboard for years, probably due to what he did at Everton in getting a team stable in the Premier League on a budget of £3.28, and rather than just throwing him out of the door like he always has done in the past he's sticking with him man. From what I gather from various sunderland forums etc the owner wants out, because he's pissing money away, surely the best way to sell up would be with the club in the Premier League, but that's obviously not gonna happen - either he's taking relegation on the chin and giving Moyes the benefit of the doubt about getting them promoted again or he's too tight to buy him out of his contract and fire him,

He has been trying to sell the club for ages it seems, just no buyers. He must be fed of buying out managers contracts year on year. Maybe try and do something they haven't don't for a while and stick with a manager even if they are getting relegated. Just a shame they decided Moyes was the right man for the job.

[Axionknight]

Challo said:

He has been trying to sell the club for ages it seems, just no buyers. He must be fed of buying out managers contracts year on year. Maybe try and do something they haven't don't for a while and stick with a manager even if they are getting relegated. Just a shame they decided Moyes was the right man for the job.

Nail on the head I'd say.

[SpeckledJim]

I think a familiar position for Chairmen who want out is to think they can get back what they paid, plus ideally all of what they 'invested'.

What they don't register is that they bought the club because it looked attractive, and paid 'attractive club' money for it.

The reason they want out is because they've made a hash of things, the fans hate them. The club is no longer attractive, and no longer worth 'attractive club' money.

They can't see that, because they're too close to the problem (because the problem is themselves), and because they're billionaires who don't think bad news applies, because so far in their life, it hasn't.

[ray von]

Axionknight said:

Big Vic is a crock half the time - when he's on fire he is a beast though,

What's your thoughts on N'Dong? I think he's quick and works quite well, but isn't the finished article yet, he could be a good engine for our midfield next season if he can step up and take the responsibility, dunno if the club could recoup their outlay on him if we go down.

I agree Anchibe can be a handful but it looked as though you said Khazri could be??
I agree about Ndong, he will be our star performer next season, yes it's not saying much
I'm not sure what to expect next season. The teams that went down last season seem to have struggled. I know Newcastle will go up but they've hardly set the league on fire.
I can see us finishing mid table which when you watch some of the teams in that league is a depressing thought.

[Axionknight]

ray von said:

Axionknight said:

Big Vic is a crock half the time - when he's on fire he is a beast though,

What's your thoughts on N'Dong? I think he's quick and works quite well, but isn't the finished article yet, he could be a good engine for our midfield next season if he can step up and take the responsibility, dunno if the club could recoup their outlay on him if we go down.

I agree Anchibe can be a handful but it looked as though you said Khazri could be??
I agree about Ndong, he will be our star performer next season, yes it's not saying much
I'm not sure what to expect next season. The teams that went down last season seem to have struggled. I know Newcastle will go up but they've hardly set the league on fire.
I can see us finishing mid table which when you watch some of the teams in that league is a depressing thought.

I think fatty Whabi is a good footballer, I meant beast as in good so excuse my pishy usage of words, but he isn't getting a sniff this season - I think Moyes just prefers to persist with stick legs Janazuj since he's "his boy", the guy is pish, I was excited about him turning up too - apart from the Palace game he has done fk all, infact, he's made thirty one appearances for us and scored LESS goals for us than he did when he played half a game against us for United!

Mid table sounds about right to me too, they'll off load as many players as able and build a championship squad to get the wage bill and outgoings down IMO, start from scratch job - no summer holidays for Moyes, he's going to be a busy man. I can see the squad being small too, to keep said wage bill down, which is a worry in a 46 game (plus early cup ties etc) season.

Edited by Axionknight on Tuesday 11th April 09:57

[FN2TypeR]

I liked the look of Khazri last season, he isn't gettin' a sniff this season and I have no idea why - Moyes surely doesn't like him? I'd have put a transfer request in back in January if I were him, I reckon he could have gone back to France, perhaps even another EPL team would have taken him on - you lot are sunk (and looked sunk then) and he can't buy game time, plus Short probably needs the cash, everybody wins, should have cashed in when you had the chance rather than risk fire sale prices in the summer window.

[Axionknight]

Larsson banned for three games so we'll have to look towards other players to work in our shambolic midfield.

If Moyes starts Khazri instead of Pienaar against West Ham tomorrow I'll donate twenty quid to Help for Heroes.

[RedWhiteMonkey]

Axionknight said:

Larsson banned for three games so we'll have to look towards other players to work in our shambolic midfield.

If Moyes starts Khazri instead of Pienaar against West Ham tomorrow I'll donate twenty quid to Help for Heroes.

Get donating, Khazri starts.

[Axionknight]

[Axionknight]

Team is a shambles today by the by.

I for one welcome our new fizzy pop league overlords.

[RedWhiteMonkey]

Not only started but also scored, you should double your donation.

[Axionknight]

I'll do it if they win.

Straight from a corner too!