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I've had s
ts that were better than that - and I don't mean solids, I mean ten pints, extra large kebab, rushing to get your jeans down because it's nearly all over sts.
Genuinely disgraceful, the manager who appears bereft of ideas and tactically inept, the absentee ownership who have preceded over farce after farce and the criminals on the pitch, that Kone, he was a beast last season and look at him now, zero fks given, zero! He was being touted for an 18/20 million quid move to Everton due to his performances last season, we'd be lucky to get back what the club paid for him (around 6) at the moment, I hope he rots somewhere rubbish, the mercenary fk and as for the rest of them, pah I say, fking pah! I'll gladly accept our fizzy pop league relegation overlords if it means that watching an Irish ale cart, a Swedish cripple and an English loser (along with all the rest) are a thing of the past, take the knob in charge with you when you fking leave you ingrates, we don't want him.
I know that comparing us to the chaps down the road is a bit clichè but at least they kicked on towards the end of last season despite their certain relegation, we couldn't buy a win, we can barely clinch a goal, this is spineless and shameful and that's putting it lightly.
ts that were better than that - and I don't mean solids, I mean ten pints, extra large kebab, rushing to get your jeans down because it's nearly all over sts.Genuinely disgraceful, the manager who appears bereft of ideas and tactically inept, the absentee ownership who have preceded over farce after farce and the criminals on the pitch, that Kone, he was a beast last season and look at him now, zero f
ks given, zero! He was being touted for an 18/20 million quid move to Everton due to his performances last season, we'd be lucky to get back what the club paid for him (around 6) at the moment, I hope he rots somewhere rubbish, the mercenary fk and as for the rest of them, pah I say, fking pah! I'll gladly accept our fizzy pop league relegation overlords if it means that watching an Irish ale cart, a Swedish cripple and an English loser (along with all the rest) are a thing of the past, take the knob in charge with you when you fking leave you ingrates, we don't want him.I know that comparing us to the chaps down the road is a bit clichè but at least they kicked on towards the end of last season despite their certain relegation, we couldn't buy a win, we can barely clinch a goal, this is spineless and shameful and that's putting it lightly.
FN2TypeR said:
Moyes said that you PLAYED WELL Championship football is okay with me (long over due and probably needed) but the thought of Moyles in charge.....*shudder* He is in the same league as Wilkinson.
I am pretty sure that better players than Gibson were available.
had ham said:
I can't stand Moyes, and don't rate him at all - he has no dynamism, gravitas or charisma.
I really do fear for our club this season.
That was me back in August last year.I really do fear for our club this season.
And so it has proved.
It will be a while before we can recover from this. We need a new owner, chairman, manager and squad. Those things don't happen quickly
Separate upstairs from the playing part, get rid of the dour idiot Moyes, get someone young and fresh in with a few new ideas, and get him to wield the axe.
I wonder what happened to Moyes. He managed to build a very good Everton team and seemed to have them playing greater than the sum of their parts. I genuinely wanted him at Newcastle when Man U got rid of him and put that saga down to him not being used to managing a bunch of egotistical big time charlies.
He just looks lost and bereft of ideas at your place. Some of the negative interviews he gives on BBC Newcastle before a match are so demotivating. He's very defeatist which is at odds with what he managed to get his Everton players to do. He seems to have lost the team and the fans and I don't really see a way back for him in the Championship which looks all but certain. I know us North East teams get criticised for chopping managers but surely it's time for him to go to give you a chance to bring someone in with a bit of vision and motivation.
He just looks lost and bereft of ideas at your place. Some of the negative interviews he gives on BBC Newcastle before a match are so demotivating. He's very defeatist which is at odds with what he managed to get his Everton players to do. He seems to have lost the team and the fans and I don't really see a way back for him in the Championship which looks all but certain. I know us North East teams get criticised for chopping managers but surely it's time for him to go to give you a chance to bring someone in with a bit of vision and motivation.
Edited by toon10 on Thursday 27th April 16:48
He never inspires any kind of confidence. I'd have loved for him to stay at Utd, he was doing a fine job there !
He is dour, and pragmatic, in fact, he ain't even pragmatic, he's just dull. His teams are dull, his style of football is dull ... teams reflect their manager and you've got him. Unlucky!
Give a younger manager a chance, you've had the world and his wife up there over the years and look where you are. Good ex-pros, bad ex-pros etc.
Not going to happen without a change in club structure and outlook though, and will that happen or are you destined to tour the lower leagues for a few years playing in front of those faded red seats which get less used by the season.
He is dour, and pragmatic, in fact, he ain't even pragmatic, he's just dull. His teams are dull, his style of football is dull ... teams reflect their manager and you've got him. Unlucky!
Give a younger manager a chance, you've had the world and his wife up there over the years and look where you are. Good ex-pros, bad ex-pros etc.
Not going to happen without a change in club structure and outlook though, and will that happen or are you destined to tour the lower leagues for a few years playing in front of those faded red seats which get less used by the season.
ray von said:
Axionknight said:
stuff
Quite a good summarising rant. I'll give it 6/10 not enough s and too many fks for my liking.We are t
tful mind still say mid table at best next season.If only that useless t
t Roy Hodgson could've picked a team to beat Iceland this would never have happened 
ellroy said:
My sympathies.
We had it bad, but by God you really need to change things.
From top to bottom! Never a truer word spoken. We had it bad, but by God you really need to change things.
We deserve this, it has been coming for years and we're in Short territory now, he made his money in dealing with "distressed assets" and he f
king well owns another one now, we'll be in the ol' fizzy pop league for a while, there will be no plan or attempt for an immediate return IMO, they'll sell anybody worth more than £2.50 and release those that are coming up to contract end - and that's a lot of bodies, to get the club back into the black on an annual basis, we'll buy a couple of young lads and promote the U23's and their ilk through the ranks to form a squad to keep our head above water.I just hope that we beat Leeds, I hate those
s.Edited by Axionknight on Saturday 29th April 23:01
Sorry if this seems like I'm dancing on your PL grave, but you needed to be relegated. Ten years of scraping survival, a new manager every year, no real progress, especially in the last five years, where you've only survived as you weren't quite the worst.
Maybe a spell in the Championship will allow you to rebuild.
There is a part of me that smiled a little though. As a United fan I never quite understood your chanting for City on that final day in 2012, but that's football I guess.
Maybe a spell in the Championship will allow you to rebuild.
There is a part of me that smiled a little though. As a United fan I never quite understood your chanting for City on that final day in 2012, but that's football I guess.
Gavia said:
Sorry if this seems like I'm dancing on your PL grave, but you needed to be relegated. Ten years of scraping survival, a new manager every year, no real progress, especially in the last five years, where you've only survived as you weren't quite the worst.
Maybe a spell in the Championship will allow you to rebuild.
There is a part of me that smiled a little though. As a United fan I never quite understood your chanting for City on that final day in 2012, but that's football I guess.
You need to be relegated. Couple more Pogbas should do it.Maybe a spell in the Championship will allow you to rebuild.
There is a part of me that smiled a little though. As a United fan I never quite understood your chanting for City on that final day in 2012, but that's football I guess.
As a neutral I see things differently.
I see a club which isn't being ran properly and hasn't been for a number of years; changing a manager every 8/12 months is not going to give you stability. It could have been Allardyce getting them relegated, it could have been Mourinho it really doesn't matter that it was Moyes. Sunderland were always doomed to go down and were incredibly fortunate to stay in the PL this long.
Now the thing is, and this again is from a neutral looking at both of the NE clubs, is that Sunderland will never, ever be competitive in the PL whilst Newcastle are there (or thereabouts). The thing is Sunderland will never be able to attract the kind of player that Newcastle can because of the type of city Newcastle is versus Sunderland as well as the history of the club and the fans.
The only time someone would sign for Sunderland over Newcastle would be wages. And then you start attracting the journeyman players who know they're coming to the end of their career but still want the massive payday - O'Shea, Lescott, Anichebe, Pienar, Gibson, Oviedo. None of them could really give a st. The rest of the squad are just average and in the PL that just doesn't work anymore.
The only caveat to all of this is of course Defoe (and Pickford who's had a good season largely because he's had shots peppered at him all season) - if any of the other players had even 10% of his desire or commitment then Sunderland would probably have had a higher finish. I'm not saying they'd have stayed up but looking at the rest of the team (and seeing them play myself, I got some of those free tickets that Sunderland are seemingly infamous for) they are completely out of sorts.
Another contributing factor will be the fact that Sunderland are skint, massively. The worrying thing is they don't have any assets of any great value. Take out Pickford £20M maybe?, Borini £5M max, Kone £10M and Khazri £12M there's little else left other than has beens and misfits who will leave on a free transfer or be released so as to cut the wage bill. I really worry that Sunderland might be another Blackpool/WIgan/QPR/Villa/Blackburn et al.
I know this might have come across as an argument starter and that's what I'm trying to avoid. I just wanted to add a balance to the posts, from a neutral. I'm so neutral I used to support Spurs as a child because Gazza was my favourite player and he played for them at the time, and for the last 5 or so years I've had a season ticket at Hartlepool for a laugh and what a laugh it's been but that will need a thread all of its own.
I see a club which isn't being ran properly and hasn't been for a number of years; changing a manager every 8/12 months is not going to give you stability. It could have been Allardyce getting them relegated, it could have been Mourinho it really doesn't matter that it was Moyes. Sunderland were always doomed to go down and were incredibly fortunate to stay in the PL this long.
Now the thing is, and this again is from a neutral looking at both of the NE clubs, is that Sunderland will never, ever be competitive in the PL whilst Newcastle are there (or thereabouts). The thing is Sunderland will never be able to attract the kind of player that Newcastle can because of the type of city Newcastle is versus Sunderland as well as the history of the club and the fans.
The only time someone would sign for Sunderland over Newcastle would be wages. And then you start attracting the journeyman players who know they're coming to the end of their career but still want the massive payday - O'Shea, Lescott, Anichebe, Pienar, Gibson, Oviedo. None of them could really give a s
t. The rest of the squad are just average and in the PL that just doesn't work anymore. The only caveat to all of this is of course Defoe (and Pickford who's had a good season largely because he's had shots peppered at him all season) - if any of the other players had even 10% of his desire or commitment then Sunderland would probably have had a higher finish. I'm not saying they'd have stayed up but looking at the rest of the team (and seeing them play myself, I got some of those free tickets that Sunderland are seemingly infamous for) they are completely out of sorts.
Another contributing factor will be the fact that Sunderland are skint, massively. The worrying thing is they don't have any assets of any great value. Take out Pickford £20M maybe?, Borini £5M max, Kone £10M and Khazri £12M there's little else left other than has beens and misfits who will leave on a free transfer or be released so as to cut the wage bill. I really worry that Sunderland might be another Blackpool/WIgan/QPR/Villa/Blackburn et al.
I know this might have come across as an argument starter and that's what I'm trying to avoid. I just wanted to add a balance to the posts, from a neutral. I'm so neutral I used to support Spurs as a child because Gazza was my favourite player and he played for them at the time, and for the last 5 or so years I've had a season ticket at Hartlepool for a laugh and what a laugh it's been but that will need a thread all of its own.
p4cks said:
As a neutral I see things differently.
I see a club which isn't being ran properly and hasn't been for a number of years; changing a manager every 8/12 months is not going to give you stability. It could have been Allardyce getting them relegated, it could have been Mourinho it really doesn't matter that it was Moyes. Sunderland were always doomed to go down and were incredibly fortunate to stay in the PL this long.
Now the thing is, and this again is from a neutral looking at both of the NE clubs, is that Sunderland will never, ever be competitive in the PL whilst Newcastle are there (or thereabouts). The thing is Sunderland will never be able to attract the kind of player that Newcastle can because of the type of city Newcastle is versus Sunderland as well as the history of the club and the fans.
The only time someone would sign for Sunderland over Newcastle would be wages. And then you start attracting the journeyman players who know they're coming to the end of their career but still want the massive payday - O'Shea, Lescott, Anichebe, Pienar, Gibson, Oviedo. None of them could really give a st. The rest of the squad are just average and in the PL that just doesn't work anymore.
The only caveat to all of this is of course Defoe (and Pickford who's had a good season largely because he's had shots peppered at him all season) - if any of the other players had even 10% of his desire or commitment then Sunderland would probably have had a higher finish. I'm not saying they'd have stayed up but looking at the rest of the team (and seeing them play myself, I got some of those free tickets that Sunderland are seemingly infamous for) they are completely out of sorts.
Another contributing factor will be the fact that Sunderland are skint, massively. The worrying thing is they don't have any assets of any great value. Take out Pickford £20M maybe?, Borini £5M max, Kone £10M and Khazri £12M there's little else left other than has beens and misfits who will leave on a free transfer or be released so as to cut the wage bill. I really worry that Sunderland might be another Blackpool/WIgan/QPR/Villa/Blackburn et al.
I know this might have come across as an argument starter and that's what I'm trying to avoid. I just wanted to add a balance to the posts, from a neutral. I'm so neutral I used to support Spurs as a child because Gazza was my favourite player and he played for them at the time, and for the last 5 or so years I've had a season ticket at Hartlepool for a laugh and what a laugh it's been but that will need a thread all of its own.
TLDR.I see a club which isn't being ran properly and hasn't been for a number of years; changing a manager every 8/12 months is not going to give you stability. It could have been Allardyce getting them relegated, it could have been Mourinho it really doesn't matter that it was Moyes. Sunderland were always doomed to go down and were incredibly fortunate to stay in the PL this long.
Now the thing is, and this again is from a neutral looking at both of the NE clubs, is that Sunderland will never, ever be competitive in the PL whilst Newcastle are there (or thereabouts). The thing is Sunderland will never be able to attract the kind of player that Newcastle can because of the type of city Newcastle is versus Sunderland as well as the history of the club and the fans.
The only time someone would sign for Sunderland over Newcastle would be wages. And then you start attracting the journeyman players who know they're coming to the end of their career but still want the massive payday - O'Shea, Lescott, Anichebe, Pienar, Gibson, Oviedo. None of them could really give a s
t. The rest of the squad are just average and in the PL that just doesn't work anymore. The only caveat to all of this is of course Defoe (and Pickford who's had a good season largely because he's had shots peppered at him all season) - if any of the other players had even 10% of his desire or commitment then Sunderland would probably have had a higher finish. I'm not saying they'd have stayed up but looking at the rest of the team (and seeing them play myself, I got some of those free tickets that Sunderland are seemingly infamous for) they are completely out of sorts.
Another contributing factor will be the fact that Sunderland are skint, massively. The worrying thing is they don't have any assets of any great value. Take out Pickford £20M maybe?, Borini £5M max, Kone £10M and Khazri £12M there's little else left other than has beens and misfits who will leave on a free transfer or be released so as to cut the wage bill. I really worry that Sunderland might be another Blackpool/WIgan/QPR/Villa/Blackburn et al.
I know this might have come across as an argument starter and that's what I'm trying to avoid. I just wanted to add a balance to the posts, from a neutral. I'm so neutral I used to support Spurs as a child because Gazza was my favourite player and he played for them at the time, and for the last 5 or so years I've had a season ticket at Hartlepool for a laugh and what a laugh it's been but that will need a thread all of its own.
I'm a neutral too, but he still has to go.
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