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dibbers006

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Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Sheets Tabuer

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216 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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If they are all the same height I'd go with human, full of water them things.

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Whichever one is more capable at throwing out streamers.

aw51 121565

4,771 posts

234 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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The pointiest (sic) object out of that list.

R300will

3,799 posts

152 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Path of least resistance, usually straight down.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Thought it went up as well.

BarnatosGhost

31,608 posts

254 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Just carry a 1-iron.

Not even god can hit a 1-iron.

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

199 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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dibbers006 said:
Ignoring distance to cloud or above ground. Purely an electrical type question.

What is the electrical storm cloud most likely to try and bridge to?
I think the height is about the most important thing though, since any of them will be far more conductive than air.

kiteless

11,722 posts

205 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Marf said:
Whichever one is more capable at throwing out streamers.
yes

And which one is closest to the incoming stepped leader.



Defcon5

6,187 posts

192 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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mobile phone signal? What would lightening be attracted to that?

kiteless

11,722 posts

205 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Anything from three feet high to three hundred can attract a bolt.

This is a short clip of how it happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MUYsIjTKvk&fea...

The "stepped leader" from Cumulo Nimbus clouds is a highly charged stream of negative ions, which as it approaches the ground, attracts highly charged positive ion streams from - say - trees / aerials / umbrellas etc. When they connect, there is an "upstrike" of lightning (positive to negative) which is the lightning bolt we see.


Defcon5

6,187 posts

192 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Did you lose your kite in a lightening related incident?

kiteless

11,722 posts

205 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Yes. Yes I did.

It went through a lightening programme, and lost so much weight it just floated away when I opened the garage door wink


Defcon5

6,187 posts

192 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Oh I see what you did there beer

Otispunkmeyer

12,618 posts

156 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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aw51 121565 said:
The pointiest (sic) object out of that list.
I'd say this too... though it will have something to do with material as well. Pointy objects concentrate the electric field around the sharp bits and a discharge will hunt out the denser electric field.

This is a cool video though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsokWqplLLE&fea...

they are strikig large masts I presume... tall, pointy metal objects on the hillside.

Its quite interesting how there are initially two forks coming down, but when one hits ground the other sort of dies.... but then comes back to life. Then streamers start firing upwards from surrounding masts. I reckon the upward ones are because of the induced charge from the first strike. The electric field around the surrounding masts will have become very concentrated.

Unsure though because when you read about Townsend and Streamer theory of discharges I think they appear to move in different directions. Unless i remember it wrong. Going to go re-read up! Townsend theory makes sense when you read it, but then people discovered discharges that occured much faster than the order of electron migration which then kinda rules out townsend. Either way electric discharges are very peculiar phenomenon which I think very few people fully understand.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 11th April 15:46

Tim330

1,132 posts

213 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Here is a picture from one of my old textbooks which I recalled when reading this topic.



Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Well, what's the answer?

Tim330

1,132 posts

213 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Oakey said:
Well, what's the answer?
Static. Sorry, I didn't bother to re read the chapter yesterday & I read it a long time ago. I'll scan in the answer page after work.

Tim330

1,132 posts

213 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Sorry my scanner couldn't quite get all of the page, its a thick textbook. A useful tip at the end




qube_TA

8,402 posts

246 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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I remember watching a programme, I think it was a Horizon all about lightning.

They had this test site in (I think) South America where they had a hill with every type of lightning conductor available, and they recorded how often each one got zapped.

Apparently they couldn't find any pattern at all, the lightning would hit trees or the ground just as often as any conductor.

What they did do that was cool was to take a reel of tinned-copper wire, attach one end of it to the ground and the other to a firework rocket. During a storm they'd set the rocket off aimed at the storm cloud. The rocket would pull the wire along with it earthing the cloud, you'd get an instant lightning strike down the wire which vapourised it. It meant that they could accurately predict where and when it would strike and be able to study it. I think it has to be tested.