Science finds cure for Religion

Science finds cure for Religion

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rhinochopig

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Tuesday 8th May 2012
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For hundreds of years Religion has undermined and often tried to ban Science. With poetic justice like that it almost makes me believe there is a higher being with a cracking sense of humour.

Should save us a fortune in defence spending hehe



A new University of British Columbia study finds that analytic thinking can decrease religious belief, even in devout believers.

The study, published today in the journal Science, finds that thinking analytically increases disbelief among believers and skeptics alike, shedding important new light on the psychology of religious belief.

"Our goal was to explore the fundamental question of why people believe in a God to different degrees," says lead author Will Gervais, a PhD student in UBC's Dept. of Psychology. "A combination of complex factors influence matters of personal spirituality, and these new findings suggest that the cognitive system related to analytic thoughts is one factor that can influence disbelief."

Researchers used problem-solving tasks and subtle experimental priming - including showing participants Rodin's sculpture The Thinker or asking participants to complete questionnaires in hard-to-read fonts - to successfully produce "analytic" thinking. The researchers, who assessed participants' belief levels using a variety of self-reported measures, found that religious belief decreased when participants engaged in analytic tasks, compared to participants who engaged in tasks that did not involve analytic thinking.

The findings, Gervais says, are based on a longstanding human psychology model of two distinct, but related cognitive systems to process information: an "intuitive" system that relies on mental shortcuts to yield fast and efficient responses, and a more "analytic" system that yields more deliberate, reasoned responses.

"Our study builds on previous research that links religious beliefs to 'intuitive' thinking," says study co-author and Associate Prof. Ara Norenzayan, UBC Dept. of Psychology. "Our findings suggest that activating the 'analytic' cognitive system in the brain can undermine the 'intuitive' support for religious belief, at least temporarily."

The study involved more than 650 participants in the U.S. and Canada. Gervais says future studies will explore whether the increase in religious disbelief is temporary or long-lasting, and how the findings apply to non-Western cultures.

Recent figures suggest that the majority of the world's population believes in a God, however atheists and agnostics number in the hundreds of millions, says Norenzayan, a co-director of UBC's Centre for Human Evolution, Cognition and Culture. Religious convictions are shaped by psychological and cultural factors and fluctuate across time and situations, he says.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

256 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Makes perfect sense.

TheHeretic

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Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Bedazzled said:
What a load of rubbish.
Feel free to deconstruct the argument then. You are arguing that analytical thinking does not diminish religiosity? The science societies, and NAS stats would disagree with you.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sci_relig.htm

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&am...

Feel free to compare to the general public figures.

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Bedazzled said:
What a load of rubbish.
I suspect it's no more rubbish than getting people to handle cash, and then finding their pain threshold is increased.

Funk

26,303 posts

210 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Bedazzled said:
What a load of rubbish.
..said enlightened folk, when asked about religion.

Simpo Two

85,618 posts

266 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Of course religion falls apart when you try to analyse it. There are no facts to justify it!

Funk

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Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Of course religion falls apart when you try to analyse it. There are no facts to justify it!
Religion entirely relies on it not being analysed.

"You must have faith."

"How can we question the almighty creator?"

"God works in ways we cannot possibly begin to fathom."

"How can you prove there is no god?" - Ah, the old 'proving a negative' excuse... No, you prove to me there is a god...

shakotan

10,714 posts

197 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Funk said:
Simpo Two said:
Of course religion falls apart when you try to analyse it. There are no facts to justify it!
Religion entirely relies on it not being analysed.

"You must have faith."

"How can we question the almighty creator?"

"God works in ways we cannot possibly begin to fathom."

"How can you prove there is no god?" - Ah, the old 'proving a negative' excuse... No, you prove to me there is a god...
To paraphrase Kate Smurthwaite - Religion is based around faith, which is the act of believing in something where there is no proof. I choose not to do that because I'm not an idiot.

Shay HTFC

3,588 posts

190 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Its a bit of a stupid venture in my opinion.

I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm atheist, but there are loads of things in our lives that don't make perfect analytical sense, but that bring comfort, joy and whatever else to people. The act of love for starters.

Some people need religion. You will never get rid of it completely because then they'll just turn to the next source of guidance/support/comfort/distraction from above (celebrity/commercialism culture maybe... )


The most surprising thing though is that some people's hate of religion is more vehement than the passion of those who follow religion. Its mad.

Edited by Shay HTFC on Tuesday 8th May 14:44

rhinochopig

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Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Shay HTFC said:
Its a bit of a stupid venture in my opinion.

I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm atheist, but there are loads of things in our lives that don't make perfect analytical sense, but that bring comfort, joy and whatever else to people. The act of love for starters.

Some people need religion. You will never get rid of it completely because then they'll just turn to the next source of guidance/support/comfort/distraction from above (celebrity/commercialism culture maybe... )


The most surprising thing though is that some people's hate of religion is more vehement than the passion of those who follow religion. Its mad.

Edited by Shay HTFC on Tuesday 8th May 14:44
I agree with you, but in cold logic, Mankind needs to look at whether religion is +ve or -ve for us. Individually it seems to be a benefit for many, but the problem is religion + group = stupidity.

shakotan

10,714 posts

197 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Shay HTFC said:
The most surprising thing though is that some people's hate of religion is more vehement than the passion of those who follow religion. Its mad.
Probably because religion has been the basis of most of the worst atrocities known to mankind. I think that's pretty deserving of a hatred.

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Shay HTFC said:
Its a bit of a stupid venture in my opinion.

I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm atheist, but there are loads of things in our lives that don't make perfect analytical sense, but that bring comfort, joy and whatever else to people. The act of love for starters.
Sure. But it takes a monumental leap of (feigned) logic to then conclude there is a God.

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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shakotan said:
Shay HTFC said:
The most surprising thing though is that some people's hate of religion is more vehement than the passion of those who follow religion. Its mad.
Probably because religion has been the basis of most of the worst atrocities known to mankind. I think that's pretty deserving of a hatred.
That and because they keep trying to interfere with politics. They can tell their sheep to do what they like. But when they think, because they have conned some vulnerable people out of cash every week, that they should be able to influence government policy. Then they cross a line that's unacceptable.

I don't see other organised con artists being invited to state occasions, and Number 10, in order to have their thoughts heard.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

256 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Shay HTFC said:
The most surprising thing though is that some people's hate of religion is more vehement than the passion of those who follow religion. Its mad.

Edited by Shay HTFC on Tuesday 8th May 14:44
Really? You think atheist folks are more vehement than the religious? The mind boggles.

3000GT ANT

347 posts

157 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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No supprise there then. However my wife now doesnt believe in god, due to a personal situation as as she put it 'If there were a god, then he would not let anyone feel this pain' and my wifes logic is pretty much non existant lol

I do think if you are an engineer (any sort) then the chances are you will be atheist as we apply logic to our everyday workings and PH do have alot of engineering minds!

Robb F

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172 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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TheHeretic said:
Really? You think atheist folks are more vehement than the religious? The mind boggles.
Indeed.

Has there been any recorded atheist terrorist attacks?

Marf

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242 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Of course religion falls apart when you try to analyse it. There are no facts to justify it!

Shay HTFC

3,588 posts

190 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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shakotan said:
Shay HTFC said:
The most surprising thing though is that some people's hate of religion is more vehement than the passion of those who follow religion. Its mad.
Probably because religion has been the basis of most of the worst atrocities known to mankind. I think that's pretty deserving of a hatred.
You think that if tomorrow there was no religion, that there would never be any more wars?
Religion has just been a convenient way of splitting people into "us and them". War is about gaining power, not religion.

If there was no religion, people would find another way of ratifying their actions. (all in my opinion)

shakotan

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197 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Shay HTFC said:
shakotan said:
Shay HTFC said:
The most surprising thing though is that some people's hate of religion is more vehement than the passion of those who follow religion. Its mad.
Probably because religion has been the basis of most of the worst atrocities known to mankind. I think that's pretty deserving of a hatred.
You think that if tomorrow there was no religion, that there would never be any more wars?
Religion has just been a convenient way of splitting people into "us and them". War is about gaining power, not religion.

If there was no religion, people would find another way of ratifying their actions. (all in my opinion)
So you're saying the Northern Ireland conflicts have nothing to do with two groups of people believing to two 'slightly different' versions of the same religion, and actually they just don't like the way each others pint is looking at their girlfriend?

What ignorant rubbish!

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

256 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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Shay HTFC said:
You think that if tomorrow there was no religion, that there would never be any more wars?
Religion has just been a convenient way of splitting people into "us and them". War is about gaining power, not religion.

If there was no religion, people would find another way of ratifying their actions. (all in my opinion)
It would be a lot harder to get the willing soldiers off to fight wars, certainly in the past, and possibly still.

Scenario 1)

"Come and fight the Islamic hordes and take back Jurusalem. You will be rewarded greatly in heaven, and thrust shall be most blessed, with a passage to the right hand of Dog if thrust victorious, or if thrust fall in the Lords name!"
"Oh, OK then"

Scenario 2)

""Come and thoust fight the Islamic hordes and take back Jurusalem, mainly for a power struggle, and to halt political issues in Europe from destabalisong the power of the Holy See. You might die, but if you do come back, which will probably be in several years you may or may not be rich, that if if you aren't hacked to death by a Scimitar"
"Er... No"