Speeding tickets avoidance

Speeding tickets avoidance

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AndyJaaaag

Original Poster:

41 posts

144 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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This forum reminded me of a an old exam question I once had.

A car was caught driving through a red light. The driver went to court and used as his defense. Sorry your honor but the light was not red it appeared to be green when I was driving towards it.

So the judge accepted this defense but instead told the driver they will be fined for speeding instead. 1 pence for every mile and hour over the speed limit of 30MPH.

What was the fine issued?

:-)

PugwasHDJ80

7,529 posts

222 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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whats the time taken to go through amber?

LordGrover

33,549 posts

213 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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Assuming Doppler Effect, a few bob I suspect.

AndyJaaaag

Original Poster:

41 posts

144 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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I think to be fair we were given the frequency of Green and Red in the question to help us out.

moreflaps

746 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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Greening could be the result of acceleration...

Cheers

paulrussell

2,113 posts

162 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
whats the time taken to go through amber?
I think it's six seconds.

Nimby

4,601 posts

151 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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It might have been a very massive car doing 30mph.

PugwasHDJ80

7,529 posts

222 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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Nimby said:
It might have been a very massive car doing 30mph.
it was a very unclear question.

Or the light pole could be massive and extremely dense. and very very dark.

which means you see things later then you should biggrin


Huff

3,159 posts

192 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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(ii)Given the Amber time Ta = 6s and given the speed of light = 3x10^8ms^-1 and a driver reaction time of 0.3s from the light changing from green, calculate the minimum velocity of the car given it passed the stop line as or before the light turned red.

Show your calculation and state any assumptions. [3 points]

(ii) Calculate the distance travelled [60quid]





PugwasHDJ80

7,529 posts

222 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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Or calculate the blueshift

Shaolin

2,955 posts

190 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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Is he colour blind and sees red as green?

Simpo Two

85,551 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th September 2012
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I'd go for Doppler shift, but am unable to calcuate the speed required ro crunch the wavelength from red to green.

Or he could be red/green colourblind...

AndyJaaaag

Original Poster:

41 posts

144 months

Thursday 13th September 2012
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Not sure you would see any effect on weight of the light. The doppler effect is accurate. It's a simple equation to calculate the speed required to apparently shift the light to a new frequency as the driver sees it. The driver sees a shorter wave length as they are driving into the light beam.

The brightness of the light does not affect the speed at which the light is traveling to the driver.
I cannot remember the exact answer in was 10 years ago or the frequencies of the red and green, but If the speed of light is approx 300000000 m/s. The speed required for the doppler shift to shorten the frequency of the light reaching the drivers eye was something in the region of 200000000 to 300000000 which would make the drivers fine about £4.5M-5.5M.
The assumption is the driver never even tried to brake when seeing the light as the light was actually green from his perspective.
Another interesting question would be what was the drivers Mass at that speed :-)

Question 2 on the exam paper was to calculate the frequency of a billard ball at 2m/s due to quantum wave mechanics by applying which all object have. I think the answer came in the region of x10^-13.
But it does mean you can go down the pub and tell everyone the ball is not traveling in a straight line when you hit it. (see how long you last)