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odyssey2200 said:
GREY! they're Fooking GREY!!
do try to keep up.
well,i beg to differ.....the ones that abducted me from from a lonely farm track in the middle of nowhere(so there were no witnesses unfortunately) with the sole intention of tying me down and shoving stuff up my arse were definately a slight variation on british racing green...........do try to keep up.
tuscaneer said:
odyssey2200 said:
GREY! they're Fooking GREY!!
do try to keep up.
well,i beg to differ.....the ones that abducted me from from a lonely farm track in the middle of nowhere(so there were no witnesses unfortunately) with the sole intention of tying me down and shoving stuff up my arse were definately a slight variation on british racing green...........do try to keep up.
Sorry but you got VBRJ'd
odyssey2200 said:
I think those were only costumes.
Sorry but you got VBRJ'd
ha! you just reminded me of a porno clip i got shown on someones phone(honest!).the "actors" were dressed up in E.T. costumes but obviously(for the physical mechanics of what was transpiring on screen) their genitals were not "in character".what made it all the more humourous was that the motionless expressions on the E.T. costume faces were so melancholic and mournful............Sorry but you got VBRJ'd
..........i suppose you had to be there....(not literally of course!)
Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 1st February 13:02
Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 1st February 13:02
jonno990 said:
Our nearest galaxy Andromeda is three million light years away.If we could travel at 99.99999999% the speed of light. It would only take fifty years to get there then, another fifty years to get back.
Only snag is that while you have only been away for one hundred years yourself, six million earth years have passed while you were gone.
You've hooked a live one, wtf is that all about?!Only snag is that while you have only been away for one hundred years yourself, six million earth years have passed while you were gone.
TX.
Bedazzled said:
Why? Daft redneck abduction stories aside it's no different to us observing penguins in the Antarctic.
It couldnt be more different.us popping south in a plane for a couple of hours is not the same as bending space itself in order to defy physics and traverse the galaxy in a little spaceship Bedazzled said:
Why? Daft redneck abduction stories aside it's no different to us observing penguins in the Antarctic.
It couldnt be more different.us popping south in a plane for a couple of hours is not the same as bending space itself in order to defy physics and traverse the galaxy in a little spaceship Bedazzled said:
tuscaneer said:
It couldnt be more different.us popping south in a plane for a couple of hours is not the same as bending space itself in order to defy physics and traverse the galaxy in a little spaceship
Just 100 years ago Amundsen was planting a flag at the South Pole for the first time in human history, now anyone with a camera can hop in an aeroplane for an hour...
Bedazzled said:
Just 100 years ago Amundsen was planting a flag at the South Pole for the first time in human history, now anyone with a camera can hop in an aeroplane for an hour...
Yeah boats went from wood to metal.we even got airbourne.it still is nothing on the scale of the time and distances you are talking about moving between stars
Bedazzled said:
Sure, but in just 70 years we went from the first powered flight to walking on the moon. Imagine a civilisation with technology a million years more advanced than ours. Think about it for a minute. They might be able to manipulate gravity, mass or spacetime, as we click a few buttons on a microwave.
That's why I love quality sci-fi. Especially when it gets into quantum.
Yeah but no but yeah but.....
Boats is just physics, does not matter what they are made of, well, OK a bit more to it than that but metal or wood, or fibre glass once you know why things float. Flight was going to happen, once we figured it out how lift works and a few other bits, the Moon shot was a chemical reaction with a bit of know how (yeah, I know, bit more than that). Not meaning to belittle the events above but they were sort of in the open.
Nice to think "what if", there are probably many grand idea's on the shelf that will never be. Maybe there will be no way to manipulate the stuff required to stop it falling apart so you can travel fast? Time will tell, and until we get actual real proof, still a thought experiment. Another what if is what if even a million years down the line we still cannot get the trains to run on time and all we have managed is a nuclear powered toaster and people still drive with fog lights on when it is raining.
Now then, where is my jet car? Not the Moller please, a real one. And a nuclear powered toaster.
Boats is just physics, does not matter what they are made of, well, OK a bit more to it than that but metal or wood, or fibre glass once you know why things float. Flight was going to happen, once we figured it out how lift works and a few other bits, the Moon shot was a chemical reaction with a bit of know how (yeah, I know, bit more than that). Not meaning to belittle the events above but they were sort of in the open.
Nice to think "what if", there are probably many grand idea's on the shelf that will never be. Maybe there will be no way to manipulate the stuff required to stop it falling apart so you can travel fast? Time will tell, and until we get actual real proof, still a thought experiment. Another what if is what if even a million years down the line we still cannot get the trains to run on time and all we have managed is a nuclear powered toaster and people still drive with fog lights on when it is raining.
Now then, where is my jet car? Not the Moller please, a real one. And a nuclear powered toaster.
Bedazzled said:
Sure, but in just 70 years we went from the first powered flight to walking on the moon. Imagine a civilisation with technology a million years more advanced than ours. Think about it for a minute. They might be able to manipulate gravity, mass or spacetime, as we click a few buttons on a microwave.
I imagine they'd be quite curious to observe chimps milling about in millions of little metal boxes and lobbing chemical rockets into LEO; it could be their equivalent to watching Time Team.
Now we have to start factoring in relative star lives.how long life takes to get a hold on a world orbiting any particular star.not just life but life intelligent enough to even get to the level we are at.life on earth has taken billions of years to get to this level.we are only here as a quirk of fate due to the multiple mass extinction events that have happened on this planet.weve been around for a few hundred thousand years but the dinosoars had a good run .a fI imagine they'd be quite curious to observe chimps milling about in millions of little metal boxes and lobbing chemical rockets into LEO; it could be their equivalent to watching Time Team.
king sight longer than we have and they still would be here now if it werent for that troublesome rock that hit 65 million years ago.now we have to accept that intelligent life has in all likelihood happened before and will happen again.but the number of fragile and sensitive rolls of the dice dictate to me that the chances of all those factors coming into play at the same time are negligible.let alone the chances of them coming to fruition in the same locality in the same galaxy in the same local group in the same filiment in this particular corner of the universe.What separates us and any other intelligent life is not just unfathomable distances but potentially billions of years into the past and billions of years into the future.
I would put down the binoculars and go have a nice glass of wine if i were you!!!!
Terminator X said:
Don't believe it myself due to the unique and many circumstances that gave rise to intelligent life on Earth
I'm not convinced there's even intelligent life on Earth.The following quote is why...
maisoumenos said:
There have been many credible sightings of UFOs in the past and my viewpoint is that the aliens are more intelligent than us humans in order to have found us first.
Their UFOs are made from incredibly advanced materials and power systems we have yet to come across.
And if scientists are looking for earth like planets elsewhere then it is logical to believe that those aliens on those planets will look similar to us because of the similar environment. Therefore who's not to say they have already landed and mixed in? Scary thought.
Their UFOs are made from incredibly advanced materials and power systems we have yet to come across.
And if scientists are looking for earth like planets elsewhere then it is logical to believe that those aliens on those planets will look similar to us because of the similar environment. Therefore who's not to say they have already landed and mixed in? Scary thought.
Bedazzled said:
You seem to be suggesting conditions here were 'just right' for intelligent life when all we can say is they are 'good enough'. It took 3 billion years to make the jump from single cells to complex organisms, why so long? There could be other worlds where it happened faster, maybe with more frequent extinction events to see off evolutionary dead-ends.
Human intelligence evolved to make better use of opposed thumbs; looking up at the stars, mathematics, art, poetry, these are all just side effects of a chance advantage in natural selection. Why would that be unique? You can't predict how rare life is based on a sample of one, we can't even observe the planets around our nearest neighbouring stars yet.
Interesting to speculate, anyhow!
what i'm trying to get at is that it is a massive quirk of fate that we are here at all.all five mass extinction events that have occured in earth's history have facilitated conditions that have led to us evolving from the mammals that were able to flourish while the bigger animals all perished.life stops evolving when it doesn't need to evolve.look at things like sharks.there or there abouts they haven't changed for millions of years.because they haven't had to.the dinosoars would still be here today if it weren't for the meteorite that collided with us 65 million years ago.Human intelligence evolved to make better use of opposed thumbs; looking up at the stars, mathematics, art, poetry, these are all just side effects of a chance advantage in natural selection. Why would that be unique? You can't predict how rare life is based on a sample of one, we can't even observe the planets around our nearest neighbouring stars yet.
Interesting to speculate, anyhow!
life,i'm sure, is abundant all over the universe.intelligent life i fear is a very rare thing.
the milky way is 100,000 light years across.just pause and consider that fact for a few seconds.a big spiralling mass of billions of stars.billions.from that you'd think there must be tonnes of other life.a huge amount of those stars are close to the centre of the galaxy where chaos reigns and stable conditions to allow life to flourish simply wouldn't exist.not enough time.
it's more likely that life occurs on the more sedate outer parts of the galaxy.it may just be there is even life on planets orbiting(relatively)near stars.the chances of it being intelligent are remote.but for the purposes of the conversation let's pretend that there is intelligent life on a planet,say,100 light years away.that is VERY close in context of the conversation.
as mathematically improbable as this is let's pretend they are there anyway and somehow have evolved through all the quirks of fate in a similar manner to us.
let's say they are what,50,000 years more advanced than us.that's a long time to keep evolving.sure,it wouldn't be an exponential growth curve such as we have experienced in the last couple of hundred years but even so it would allow plenty of time for them to invent the technology to come here wouldn't it???
well, setting aside the MASSIVE improbability that the birth/life/death cycle of this star/solar system/life itself is somehow on a parallel timeline to us(this in itself is a ridiculous concept but i'll stick with it)............
..........how the f
k (given that the laws of physics are universal in this universe) are these super beings moving mass at anything close to light speed to actually get here??let's assume that they COULD travel close to light speed(the most bonkers concept proposed in this thread).that would make a round trip of 200 years there or there abouts.
now we have to think about dust and rocks and all those other pesky bits of s
t that may cross their path on this billions of miles long journey.i can't state for a fact how much damage a piece of dust would do to a spaceship travelling at 187000 miles A SECOND but i have seen the damage a piece of dust can do to a satellite travelling at 25000 miles PER HOUR .ARE WE GETTING VISITED BY ALIENS IN LITTLE SPACESHIPS???
not a chance.
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 4th February 07:41
I agree that the rocky road we took to get here shows that many things can make it uncertain. For example Jupiter used to be the one that it on the chin for us, now the gas giants are seen as the perpetrators of many impacts. It only has to nudge an asteroid a small amount and a few billion years later WHAMO! bye bye humans. If we are evidence of life, we are also evidence that it can have a very hard time, I suspect the latter is more prevalent.
Still, when we get evidence of life out there, wonder if we see any evidence of industry?
Still, when we get evidence of life out there, wonder if we see any evidence of industry?
I have no doubt in my mind that intelligent civilisations or life has littered the galaxy. The question is whether the required overlap between their civilisation, and ours, the distance between the 2, as well as the advancement of one of the other at the time. Then there is the question of what is special about our own little corner of the galaxy compared to any other? We are only detectable really for about 100 light years distant. Beyond that and we have no 'intelligent life signs' beyond that of the composition of the planet.
Personally, I think that whilst we are not alone, and vastness, and multitude of other places in the universe means that it is very unlikely for 2 to meet unless they happen to be very close indeed.
Personally, I think that whilst we are not alone, and vastness, and multitude of other places in the universe means that it is very unlikely for 2 to meet unless they happen to be very close indeed.
Bedazzled said:
jmorgan said:
Still, when we get evidence of life out there, wonder if we see any evidence of industry?
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