Did we really land on the moon?!?!?

Did we really land on the moon?!?!?

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Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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They may not have been "professional photographers" but they were "professional" in everything they did. After all, the bulk of them were high achieving test pilots - and the others were high achievers in whatever other field they had qualified in.

Taking pictures was part of training - as the cameras had to be modified for use so that an astronaut wearing a bulky moon suit and gloves could operate the shutter and lens settings. They were given Hasselbald cameras to practice on at home and spent around two years honing their techniques using these adapted cameras.

So, the fact that a large number of shots taken on the moon were very well composed and framed was down to the usual reasons why people do a job well, practice, practice and more practice.

There were dud shots too, of course. You just don't tend to see them published - although they are available to see in the NASA on-line archives.

MocMocaMoc

1,524 posts

142 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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It's funny, I absolutely believe they landed on the moon, but I take an interest I photoshop and photo doctoring and one pic (don't have to hand) stands out like a sore thumb as being doctored.

So, while I do believe they landed, that one photo left an element of uncertainty in my mind.

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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There should be no uncertainty. They did it - six times.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

234 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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Eric Mc said:
There were dud shots too, of course. You just don't tend to see them published - although they are available to see in the NASA on-line archives.
there are a couple on the Apollo 11 film 'inadvertent shutter release'

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

but compared to any of my holiday photo selections, far less chopped off heads and blurred blobs

not many over/under exposed shots (unless they are all fixed in developing or summink) considering they were setting exposure manually, and they don't appear to have 'bracketed' their exposures

they probably had strict instructions to avoid 'into the sun' shots etc

RobM77

35,349 posts

235 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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Don't forget that the cameras were ludicrously expensive Haselblads and I also expect the lack of atmosphere and the highly predictable light conditions meant the settings were agreed upon before the mission and the exposure etc would be easier to judge than on earth with clouds, shadows from buildings or trees etc. Plus the astronauts were all top USAF pilots with very steady hands, and the freakishly good mental makeup ('the right stuff') to take in everything from the photographic training they had.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

234 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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they didn't have to hold them anyway, strapped on to their suits

RobM77

35,349 posts

235 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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Hugo a Gogo said:
they didn't have to hold them anyway, strapped on to their suits
Yes, but steady hands would still be needed to operate the shutter and keep the cameras still - the suits had enough flex for them to need to use their hands as well.

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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RobM77 said:
Don't forget that the cameras were ludicrously expensive Haselblads and I also expect the lack of atmosphere and the highly predictable light conditions meant the settings were agreed upon before the mission and the exposure etc would be easier to judge than on earth with clouds, shadows from buildings or trees etc. Plus the astronauts were all top USAF pilots with very steady hands, and the freakishly good mental makeup ('the right stuff') to take in everything from the photographic training they had.
They weren't all USAF pilots by any means. Quite a few were US Navy and US Marines.

The entire crew of Apollo 16 were Navy men.

Don't forget that they had been taking photos on manned missions since the very beginning, so there was already 8 years of experience in using cameras in space by 1969. On the actual cameras used on the lunar surface, the focus was set at infinity for simplicity sake. They did have control over aperture and of course, manual control for activating the shutter.

And Al Bean wrecked the Apollo 12 TV camera by pointing it directly at the sun.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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MocMocaMoc said:
It's funny, I absolutely believe they landed on the moon, but I take an interest I photoshop and photo doctoring and one pic (don't have to hand) stands out like a sore thumb as being doctored.

So, while I do believe they landed, that one photo left an element of uncertainty in my mind.
Can you point the way? What would they use in 1969? The images online have been scanned in from the originals.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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loughran said:
nellyleelephant said:
And?
Have a read of this http://www.studyphysics.ca/apollo2.pdf

Edited by nellyleelephant on Thursday 11th April 19:58
Fascinating, I had no idea that.... page 23..

" Yes, it is bizarre that the
FBI destroyed all the blueprints
of the Saturn rockets and A
pollo spacecraft. Yes, it is
unbelievable that NASA ordered Ke
n Johnston to destroy all th
e duplicate sets of Apollo
photography, essentially trying to confine the c
ontrol of the visual re
cord to one set of
prints that NASA could manipulate.
No they haven't, here it is.....
Click

Gwagon111

4,422 posts

162 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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jmorgan said:
No they haven't, here it is.....
Click
rofl.

RobM77

35,349 posts

235 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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jmorgan said:
loughran said:
nellyleelephant said:
And?
Have a read of this http://www.studyphysics.ca/apollo2.pdf

Edited by nellyleelephant on Thursday 11th April 19:58
Fascinating, I had no idea that.... page 23..

" Yes, it is bizarre that the
FBI destroyed all the blueprints
of the Saturn rockets and A
pollo spacecraft. Yes, it is
unbelievable that NASA ordered Ke
n Johnston to destroy all th
e duplicate sets of Apollo
photography, essentially trying to confine the c
ontrol of the visual re
cord to one set of
prints that NASA could manipulate.
No they haven't, here it is.....
Click
Well, if that did happen (interesting though, I didn't know it had), it's not surprising about the photos, given what's now happened with these ridiculous hoaxes (I'm sure in the old days you'd have needed the photo itself to doctor it). Plus it's not surprising about the Saturn V rocket, given the advanced rocketry technology that went into them.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Friday 12th April 2013
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Been doing the rounds now for a little while. Just wonder if it was a cardboard cut out with a Nov 5 firework if there are no blueprints....

Anyway. More on the cameras
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/apollo.photechnqs.htm

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Thursday 6th June 2013
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Did We Land On The Moon?
On tonight, C5, at 8. biggrin

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Thursday 6th June 2013
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What is there to say?

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

234 months

Thursday 6th June 2013
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"yes"

and debunk all the theories one by one

and obviously (it's channel 5) "coming up after the break..." a dozen times

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Thursday 6th June 2013
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I would like to think that this nonsense has run its course and that only the lame brained amongst the population would be idiotic enough to give it any credence.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

234 months

Thursday 6th June 2013
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these are Channel 5 viewers we're talking about...

Watchman

6,391 posts

246 months

Thursday 6th June 2013
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Makes me mad a TV programme can find its way to our screens when 5 mins on Google can debunk all that crap.

MartG

20,695 posts

205 months

Thursday 6th June 2013
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Quote from Facebook by Professor Brian Cox


"If I ever have the misfortune to meet the fish head who commissioned this st on Ch5 about the moon landings, I WILL punch them"