Did we really land on the moon?!?!?
Discussion
Shambler said:
I do not believe man has been to the moon and think that anyone who says otherwise is a moron. I have spent hours looking at the moon through binoculars and never spotted the moon buggy, flag or any other debris. It is a complete lie.
Do you believe in America. I haven't been able to see it through my binoculars - even though I've looked hard.Eric Mc said:
Shambler said:
I do not believe man has been to the moon and think that anyone who says otherwise is a moron. I have spent hours looking at the moon through binoculars and never spotted the moon buggy, flag or any other debris. It is a complete lie.
Do you believe in America. I haven't been able to see it through my binoculars - even though I've looked hard.
nellyleelephant said:
Eric Mc said:
Shambler said:
I do not believe man has been to the moon and think that anyone who says otherwise is a moron. I have spent hours looking at the moon through binoculars and never spotted the moon buggy, flag or any other debris. It is a complete lie.
Do you believe in America. I haven't been able to see it through my binoculars - even though I've looked hard.With each year that passes it seems more and more extraordinary that we did, in fact, go to the moon using 1960's technology. Like Concorde, the moon landings were decades ahead of their time.
I visited Cape Canaveral a few years ago, and had the opportunity to meet a retired astronaut (not from Apollo). He told me that when Kennedy announced the plan to put men on the moon, NASA were already fairly sure that it was technically feasible. Bringing them back alive, however, was a completely different matter and nobody really knew if it was going to work until they did it. Brave men
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In many ways, the conspiracy theories which surround the Apollo program are the ultimate tribute to it. What was achieved was so extraordinary, it is hardly surprising that some people struggle to accept that NASA actually did it.
Discovery Channel's Mythbusters did a special show debunking the moon landing conspiracy theories a few years ago. It won many awards, and I recommend it to anyone with an interest in the subject.
I visited Cape Canaveral a few years ago, and had the opportunity to meet a retired astronaut (not from Apollo). He told me that when Kennedy announced the plan to put men on the moon, NASA were already fairly sure that it was technically feasible. Bringing them back alive, however, was a completely different matter and nobody really knew if it was going to work until they did it. Brave men
.In many ways, the conspiracy theories which surround the Apollo program are the ultimate tribute to it. What was achieved was so extraordinary, it is hardly surprising that some people struggle to accept that NASA actually did it.
Discovery Channel's Mythbusters did a special show debunking the moon landing conspiracy theories a few years ago. It won many awards, and I recommend it to anyone with an interest in the subject.
Edited by Bradgate on Friday 1st March 19:17
Bradgate said:
With each year that passes it seems more and more extraordinary that we did, in fact, go to the moon using 1960's technology. Like Concorde, the moon landings were decades ahead of their time.
I visited Cape Canaveral a few years ago, and had the opportunity to meet a retired astronaut (not from Apollo). He told me that when Kennedy announced the plan to put men on the moon, NASA were already fairly sure that it was technically feasible. Bringing them back alive, however, was a completely different matter and nobody really knew if it was going to work until they did it. Brave men.
In many ways, the conspiracy theories which surround the Apollo program are the ultimate tribute to it. What was achieved was so extraordinary, it is hardly surprising that some people struggle to accept that NASA actually did it.
Discovery Channel's Mythbusters did a special show debunking the moon landing conspiracy theories a few years ago. It won many awards, and I recommend it to anyone with an interest in the subject.
I think the more extraordinary thing about it, was that no one died! Travelling to and from the moon.I visited Cape Canaveral a few years ago, and had the opportunity to meet a retired astronaut (not from Apollo). He told me that when Kennedy announced the plan to put men on the moon, NASA were already fairly sure that it was technically feasible. Bringing them back alive, however, was a completely different matter and nobody really knew if it was going to work until they did it. Brave men
.In many ways, the conspiracy theories which surround the Apollo program are the ultimate tribute to it. What was achieved was so extraordinary, it is hardly surprising that some people struggle to accept that NASA actually did it.
Discovery Channel's Mythbusters did a special show debunking the moon landing conspiracy theories a few years ago. It won many awards, and I recommend it to anyone with an interest in the subject.
Edited by Bradgate on Friday 1st March 19:17
Over 40 years on now and space travel is still extremely risky, yes some of the technology has improved, but not as much as some would have you think.
Launch costs are still the prohibitive barrier.
Until we have reusable, reliable launch capability. The moon while technically possible, is not financially viable.
There are lots of things that seem unbelievable but delve under the surface a tad and it is all there. e.g. I think people forget that the computer was built for the job, bespoke. But it had a big brother in mission control with some clever people with slide rules, tracking stations and a radio. It (on board computer) did not need to have a graphics option for posh life like action, no software to clutter the place up and no interfaces for the usual clutter we have. It also had three other exceptional computers on board with backup of several thousand at mission control. Heck of a system.
I think the "no one died!" had a lot to do with 1 (sadly people did die and off flights as well) and mission control was also a case for survival. And then it was not just the blokes in that room, it was the whole host that supported the effort.
I think the "no one died!" had a lot to do with 1 (sadly people did die and off flights as well) and mission control was also a case for survival. And then it was not just the blokes in that room, it was the whole host that supported the effort.
And of course, people DID die - although not on actual moon flights. Three astronauts died in 1967 training for the first Apollo mission (Apollo 1) and two astronauts died whilst landing their T-38 at McDonnell's factory airfield in 1966. They were the prime crew for one of the Gemini missions and were visiting the factory as part of the preparation for that mission. Gemini was an integral part of Project Apollo.
The "but they didn't have the computers to do it" thing always gets me - it's as if nothing is possible without a computer running it ( or covering up deficiencies in its physical design by continually adjusting things ). The Mk1 Escort on this weeks Wheeler Dealers didn't have a single computer in it, so if you were to take a modern car that is stuffed to the gill with microchips as a baseline, there is no way it could work - but it does.
People tend to forget that we could do some very complicated things before computers came along
People tend to forget that we could do some very complicated things before computers came along
qube_TA said:
The people that advocate that it was faked, do they ever offer an explanation as to how it could have been so?
they say Armstrong's 'small step' was filmed in the US but then offer nothing more or an explanation, given that moment was only a small part of the whole space program and even the Apollo missions, what about the rest? Also as Armstrong's film was picked up in Aus and relayed to the US (no satellites in '69) due to the position of The Moon at the time, how would you get a television broadcast from New Mexico to appear like it's coming from the Moon for Australia to receive? There were several ground stations used by NASA during all the missions to relay comms and telemetry as they were out of range of the US, it was simple for anyone with a radio to tune in and listen, very difficult to achieve this now, never mind in the late 60's.
I think when you start writing the list of what you'd need, it quickly becomes obvious that it would have been far easier to have just gone exactly as they did.
TV was broadcast across the world in 1962 (Relay 1 satellite) -the first comms satellite was in the 50's!they say Armstrong's 'small step' was filmed in the US but then offer nothing more or an explanation, given that moment was only a small part of the whole space program and even the Apollo missions, what about the rest? Also as Armstrong's film was picked up in Aus and relayed to the US (no satellites in '69) due to the position of The Moon at the time, how would you get a television broadcast from New Mexico to appear like it's coming from the Moon for Australia to receive? There were several ground stations used by NASA during all the missions to relay comms and telemetry as they were out of range of the US, it was simple for anyone with a radio to tune in and listen, very difficult to achieve this now, never mind in the late 60's.
I think when you start writing the list of what you'd need, it quickly becomes obvious that it would have been far easier to have just gone exactly as they did.
HTH
Cheers
I am amazed that this thing shows up periodcally along the the 9/11 conspiracy throries and others. However, it does remind me of the two blondes sitting on a beach in California one evening,and one says to the other:
"Oh,wow....the moon looks soooo awesone tonight"
"Yeah,it just......awesome"
" Its sooo far away too. Do you think its even further than.......ummm......Florida?".
" You're soo silly! Look around.....can you see Florida???"
Based on that logic, I did not see the landing even through bimoculars. Thus,it never happened.
"Oh,wow....the moon looks soooo awesone tonight"
"Yeah,it just......awesome"
" Its sooo far away too. Do you think its even further than.......ummm......Florida?".
" You're soo silly! Look around.....can you see Florida???"
Based on that logic, I did not see the landing even through bimoculars. Thus,it never happened.
t... you decide. 
moreflaps said:
TV was broadcast across the world in 1962 (Relay 1 satellite) -the first comms satellite was in the 50's!
HTH
Cheers
The first proper communications satellite was Telstar, launched in 1962. It was NOT in a geosynchronous orbit so could only be used for a fairly short period of time as it crossed from horizon to horizon. An earlier simple reflective satellite, called Echo, was used to bounce signals in around 1960.HTH
Cheers
The first modern geosynchronous communication satellite was launched in 1967. The target was to get a number of these into place prior to the 1968 Summer Olympics. This was indeed done and therefore the Mexico Games of 1968 were the first Olympics which had what we would now consider to be proper worldwide live coverage.
The TV in itself is an interesting topic, click me (link to the parks observatory site).
But it (the link above) is not all the story on that part of the event.
Now, Telstar, was Goonhilly the first to receive TV, the French used a horn (?), were there tracking difficulties with the French horn (ahem).
But it (the link above) is not all the story on that part of the event.
Now, Telstar, was Goonhilly the first to receive TV, the French used a horn (?), were there tracking difficulties with the French horn (ahem).
I've got my doubts about it. Mainly because it was such a fantastic PR opportunity at the right time, if they didn't really do it, then it would make political sense to claim to have done it anyway.
I like to think we did, I hope we did, and on balance I probably still do believe we did. I just wouldn't be too surprised to find out that we actually didn't.
I like to think we did, I hope we did, and on balance I probably still do believe we did. I just wouldn't be too surprised to find out that we actually didn't.
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