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Monday 24th June 2013
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Simpo Two

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266 months

Monday 24th June 2013
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I too would like to know how photons can get though some solids but not others. They psss through several inches of glass quite happily, but are defeated by a sheet of foil or even thick paper.

My first idea to become a billionaire is to invent transparent steel...

RealSquirrels

11,327 posts

193 months

Monday 24th June 2013
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photons are absorbed by electrons in molecules - the energy is used to excite the electrons, which then slowly return to their ground-state energy... so any coloured substances (e.g. red paint) will absorb some photons in the visible region. obviously colourless stuff like salt or sugar don't.

reflection happens at the interface between two media whenever a wave (light, sound, water) crosses from one medium into another - e.g. from water into concrete, or from air into glass, or from air to metal. basically the incoming wave induces vibrations in the second medium which then re-radiate the wave (i.e. reflect it). the vibrations can be physical (eg water wave, sound) or, when we are talking about light, are vibrations in the polarisation of atoms/molecules (i.e. the distribution of electrons).

hairykrishna

13,183 posts

204 months

Monday 24th June 2013
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This is one of those simple questions that gets complicated fast and simplified explanations can be a bit misleading (i.e. wrong). So, disclaimer over...

Solids have a bunch of atoms loosely connected together with continuous ranges of allowed vibration energies. If the incoming photon of light has an energy which falls within these ranges then it is absorbed and converted to heat (i.e. vibration). If it doesn't fall within these ranges then it's absorbed and re-emitted almost immediately. In glass the the frequencies of visible light (i.e. the energy of the photons) don't fall in the absorption range unlike, for example, the frequencies of IR photons.

RealSquirrels

11,327 posts

193 months

Monday 24th June 2013
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glass absorbs UV light and infra-red light which is why you won't get sunburnt, but will get hot, sitting inside your greenhouse.

Baron Greenback

6,999 posts

151 months

Monday 24th June 2013
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Oxford scientists have created a transparent form of aluminium by bombarding the metal with the world’s most powerful soft X-ray laser. 'Transparent aluminium' previously only existed in science fiction, featuring in the movie Star Trek IV, but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.
International team, led by Oxford University scientists, report that a short pulse from the FLASH laser ‘knocked out’ a core electron from every aluminium atom in a sample without disrupting the metal’s crystalline structure. This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation. Want to cavet this as the spot with a diameter less than a twentieth of the width of a human hair. At such high intensities the aluminium turned transparent.

V8LM

5,174 posts

210 months

Tuesday 25th June 2013
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Is what you want is meta-materials - those with a negative refractive index.


LeeMad

1,098 posts

154 months

Monday 8th July 2013
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Simpo Two said:
My first idea to become a billionaire is to invent transparent steel...
id go with titanium

budfox

1,510 posts

130 months

Sunday 14th July 2013
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Well they did transparent aluminium in Star Trek IV

Otispunkmeyer

12,606 posts

156 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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sort of related... but its a nice video explaining (trying) how light behaves in glass as a wave and as a photon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiHN0ZWE5bk

mrmr96

13,736 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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Otispunkmeyer said:
sort of related... but its a nice video explaining (trying) how light behaves in glass as a wave and as a photon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiHN0ZWE5bk
That's teh one I was going to post.

crossy67

1,570 posts

180 months

Sunday 21st July 2013
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RealSquirrels said:
glass absorbs UV light and infra-red light which is why you won't get sunburnt, but will get hot, sitting inside your greenhouse.
Not entirely true. Glass blocks UVb but not UVa which is how things like this happen.


It's also the UVa that causes window tin film to turn purple and eventually clear and why you should always check if a tint job is done with a film that has a UV filter in built. Most do have now.

annodomini2

6,867 posts

252 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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budfox said:
Well they did transparent aluminium in Star Trek IV
Also known as Sapphire.

RealSquirrels

11,327 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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annodomini2 said:
budfox said:
Well they did transparent aluminium in Star Trek IV
Also known as Sapphire.
sapphire is corundum, which is most certainly not aluminium. it's like saying carbon (e.g. graphite or diamonds) and carbon dioxide (a gas) are the same thing.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

199 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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As I recall from my science workings, on a molecular scale the arrangement of the molecules compared to the wavelength of the radiation (light...) which can pass through. Specifically in the eye, the white of the eye and the cornea are basically made of the same stuff (collagen fibres in an aqueous matrix - the same as cartilage and other connective tissues for those that are interested). But the cornea is transparent because the fibres are in an orderly arrangement with a a specific separation; the white is full of disordered fibres in all directions and of various sizes.

Or magic.

annodomini2

6,867 posts

252 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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RealSquirrels said:
annodomini2 said:
budfox said:
Well they did transparent aluminium in Star Trek IV
Also known as Sapphire.
sapphire is corundum, which is most certainly not aluminium. it's like saying carbon (e.g. graphite or diamonds) and carbon dioxide (a gas) are the same thing.
At no stage in the film does it state that it's pure aluminium it just shows a molecule, besides it's just a name, in 300 years they may have decided to change it! wink

There's also Aluminium oxynitride.