Army Helicopter's UFO Scare Still A Mystery, 40 Years Later
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RegMolehusband said:
"Darling" tipped the scale so I couldn't be bothered any more. BTW I think I have only ever seen one episode of The X Files. Is it any good?
if darling is enough to tip you over the edge I really feel sorry for you pal. however, I suspect it is a lack of a reasonable comeback that has stopped you in your tracks.it's very easy to hide behind the pretense of feigned offense at a tongue in cheek bit of ribbing rather than take the points and counter them.pathetic.
RegMolehusband said:
Mo need to feel sorry for me love, I'm well sorted in every aspect of life.
i'm sure you are.big round of applause from me, well done!! but your apparent good fortune in life still has absolutely nothing to do with your enthusiasm for flying saucers in the face of not a single shred of evidence to support your fantastic claims.diversion tactics don't work just like refusal to acknowledge counter points doesn't wash either. 
ks though RegMolehusband said:
I took offence at your condescending nature. You possibly made some points worth debating but your terminology dragged the thread downhill.
I am now going to get some work done and may come back in here later if the thread hasn't been closed.
thread shut down??? because I referred to you as darling? hardly front page news is it?? I've just read back over our little to and fro and it appears you took offense at my original post and chose to retort with a little jab of your own. I then called you sweetheart and that now has become the sticking point for you to refuse to acknowledge the points I made.believe me, if you had me on the back foot in a discussion but I had good and meaningful counter points I wouldn't silence my response due to you calling me sweetheart. I think you either need to grow a thicker skin or accept defeat on this one pal!!. as my old granddad used to say.....worse things have happened at sea.I am now going to get some work done and may come back in here later if the thread hasn't been closed.
Tuscanneer has a good point, alien origin UFOS are incredibly unlikely, what is likely is that miss identification of both natural and man made objects combined with an acceptance by various governments that UFOs made good cover stories means anything odd that people see must be an alien UFO. During the Cold War the governments of various countries used UFOs as a good way of explaining away any secret craft, or encounters with intruder aircraft from the opposition, people were suposedly happier to have aliens flying over than Russians.
Hilts said:
jmorgan said:
Why present a set number you want? There is also the human element and all that involves. Including the technology they make.
4. Mistaken identity (many facets to this, there really is).
OK Mr 400SE 4. Mistaken identity (many facets to this, there really is).
, of course I've considered that and I'm sure that could account for some reports.However given the size of the craft reported(sometimes a football field size up to a mile wide) and the performance I would say it's extremely imbrobable that's it's our technology. Also how do you account for the many triangle sightings over the last 100 years, are they all mistaken?
As for mistaken identity well the Belgium triangle was winessed by over 10 000 people, several thousand of whom filed reports. It was tracked both on ground radar and by the F16s. The performance would not have survivable by a human pilot.
What do you think it was and who did it belong to?
Belgium. The "event" as it was reported by some was right mish mash. Look at it broken down and things come across in a different light. The photo taker has even come forwards to say he faked that part, but it was already shown as such anyway. And Radar really needs to be understood to know its limitations and faults. I am no expert in Radar but there is enough out there to see that it has its issues and a basic understanding helps. End result is microwaves have issues with the atmosphere, there are different absorption lawyers and transmitted will not always be reflected from where you expect. Then there is a box of electronic on the end that process the signal to make it useful for the pilot. It can get quite deep when you try to read up on it. But I have had my own experiences with microwaves and that is what also gets to your satellite dish and people have issues in certain weather conditions. The problems are known, they are documented and it is not the killer evidence people look for but it is the word they will bandy about thinking it is enough on its own merit to make people believe.
Size, I think it was a case of mistaken identity. Ever considered what happens to the air when something reportedly a mile wide moves through it? I would say it is extremely improbable that is it a real object. I am all for there being little green men but to be honest I think we will find the evidence in planets not over a coffee on the white house lawn.
Accounting for the sightings. In the dark, three spots, your brain does the rest. This is really where some people will not go, the human is at fault. It is why we have lawyers and really, humans are very poor recorders or rather they can be excellent and in the same vein poor. The difference between the good and bad is a lot. And it does not matter if you are a farm hand or a NASA astronaut. Personally I will look at the evidence not the person in the first instance. The people can make a difference unfortunately and some do not do the believers any favours.
Performance and size. Measured how? The helicopter incident that started this thread off, this has not been answered yet and I think I asked. Measuring things in the dark from unknown sizes makes an accurate observation very hard. Also light diffuses in the atmosphere further complicating the issue. This means size and speed become almost impossible to judge. Lanterns are a case in point. People see a swarm of UFO invaders where a gaggle of lanterns bob their merry way. Then people laugh when the object is suggested it is a lantern. I have seen a few around here, personally I think they are a bit chavtastic and a nightmare for farmers.
Even in daylight observations of a blob or shape is very hard without a point of reference. Hills and trees you will have a good and reliable guess at, yet in the sky, things become more difficult. Back to pilots, they have mistaken planets and stars. I think here that some will back up what they thought they saw rather than back down. Others do it for the money they make on the circuit.
I have seen how people leap at the improbability calling it the evidence that cannot be denied and watched as the events have been shown to be ordinary yet there are certain elements that will not let it go and cling to the story. They do so making a mockery of themselves, Regmolehusband called the deniers close minded (words to that effect), but really, there are people out there that would leap on this if there was any chance the evidence would prove true. But the evidence does not appear. They want the evidence to be real but are
There is a group that has evidence for 57 varieties of aliens, unfortunate number
So that is a lot of evidence yet there is absolutely zero presented by this group to back it up. But people keep buying the tickets for the road show. Makes you wonder.Few musings anyway.
From the New York Times yesterday.
Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
Edited by RegMolehusband on Tuesday 5th November 18:32
RegMolehusband said:
From the New York Times yesterday.
Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
Great stuff. So we get out there and bring back coal when...?Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
Calling Mr Branson...oh, no, he's a Global Warming True Believer, isn't he? Bugger...
Halb said:
I was chatting to Jack Cohen at the weekend. He was giving some fantastic talks on aliens and physics and biology.
The ability to look at the atmosphere of planets came up and a discussion on finding ones with the right stuff in the atmosphere ensued. It was most interesting.
Personally I think that is where the proof will come from. Few years away but close.The ability to look at the atmosphere of planets came up and a discussion on finding ones with the right stuff in the atmosphere ensued. It was most interesting.
RegMolehusband said:
From the New York Times yesterday.
Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
And then there are hundreds of billions of other galaxies THAT WE KNOW OF , could be many more we simply don't know about! When you factor in these numbers , it is quite literally unbelievable , you cannot comprehend numbers that large! Isn't there more stars in the universe than grains of sand on all the beaches on earth? now just think about that for a minute! So yeah you're right, there is an incredible scope for many advanced civilisations out there!Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
Edited by RegMolehusband on Tuesday 5th November 18:32
Wow, space is big shocker.
We are evidence life happens and to date the only evidence and we play by laws of physics that this universe uses. We could say that there are bound to be others out there and on the flip side, our existence is testimony to how we nearly never made it. There is only proof that they exist, not speculation, and to date that is missing. I hope there are plenty out there but fear we will never meet. Star Trek was not real you know.
We are evidence life happens and to date the only evidence and we play by laws of physics that this universe uses. We could say that there are bound to be others out there and on the flip side, our existence is testimony to how we nearly never made it. There is only proof that they exist, not speculation, and to date that is missing. I hope there are plenty out there but fear we will never meet. Star Trek was not real you know.
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