Army Helicopter's UFO Scare Still A Mystery, 40 Years Later
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Even sober (I hope) professionals can be fooled. There was a story a while back about a police station where everyone was going ape about a bright light hovering nearby in the night sky.
It took a local astronomer to point out that the UFO was actually one of the planets - Venus I think - in an exceptionally bright phase.
It took a local astronomer to point out that the UFO was actually one of the planets - Venus I think - in an exceptionally bright phase.
RegMolehusband said:
DYOR Eric - it's all out there if you can be bothered to spend 20 minutes on the subject that you know nothing about but on which you already have a firm opinion.
I don't see why any of this "newer" nonsense is any more verifiable than all the old nonsense that has gone before. If you want to convince me that it is genuine, I will place the onus on you to show me the evidence. As I said, those making the claims should be the ones providing the proof.Brief overview if the Belgium "wave"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave
Provided purely for info, I don't think we're the only life in the universe, I do however have my doubts that we are being visited on a regular basis.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave
Provided purely for info, I don't think we're the only life in the universe, I do however have my doubts that we are being visited on a regular basis.
Dogwatch said:
Even sober (I hope) professionals can be fooled. There was a story a while back about a police station where everyone was going ape about a bright light hovering nearby in the night sky.
It took a local astronomer to point out that the UFO was actually one of the planets - Venus I think - in an exceptionally bright phase.
This has happened a few times. Venus is quite bright and due to its location in the Solar System, an odd orbit viewed from Earth, many and various air forces have shot it up. Even the Moon has been chased and shot at it would seem (reading on claim). Professionals are good at their job, in the main. But they have one overwhelming problem, they are human. And this is refused by some as an issue when evidence is presented especially when the evidence that is presented can be shown to full of holes for the affirmation of ET.It took a local astronomer to point out that the UFO was actually one of the planets - Venus I think - in an exceptionally bright phase.
Also, if you were a pilot and said "It was ET I TELLYOU!!" and some fella points out it was probably Venus..... I wonder how much an ego takes over and refuses the obvious.
Dan_1981 said:
Brief overview if the Belgium "wave"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave
Provided purely for info, I don't think we're the only life in the universe, I do however have my doubts that we are being visited on a regular basis.
Had a read. No better than any other UFO nonsense.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave
Provided purely for info, I don't think we're the only life in the universe, I do however have my doubts that we are being visited on a regular basis.
Those who WANT to "believe" will allow themselves to be taken in by the fakers and loonies.
I too am pretty certain there is plenty of life in the universe. The recent discovery of thousands of extra solar planets and solar systems definitely points in that direction. However, there is not a single credible, convincing shred of evidence that any aliens have turned up here.
Despite 70 plus years of claims.
Assuming there's no new evidence for this case, and given the fact nobody has been investigating it in the intervening 40 years, what exactly was the point of starting the thread? Just seems like an effort on behalf of the OP to say "it's aliens!". Would be interesting if there was new information, but doesn't appear anyone is still actively investigating the case, so why the sudden enthusiasm to post it? All it really says is "something may have happened 40 years ago, we didn't have enough evidence to draw a conclusion then and we don't now, not that anyone has actually done any work since". What value does it add to the topic from the viewpoint of scientific enquiry? All we have is an eye witness report of a brief encounter. No photos, no footage, no radar, zip. Pilots aren't immune from dramatic mis-identifications (witness friendly fire incidents for example), so unless there's some new evidence, we're left no further forward.
On the topic as a whole, I've long since lost interest, as there's so little objective research done these days. Most people actively investigating are doing so with a ready formed conclusion, so will make any number of leaps to get to the answer they want, then get defensive when challenged on their bias. Tim Good saw the X Files gain popular attention and decided he'd have a much bigger audience if he added conspiracy into everything he wrote, and Leslie Kean is still flogging the Chile dead horse rather than simply admit she's mistaken.
On the topic as a whole, I've long since lost interest, as there's so little objective research done these days. Most people actively investigating are doing so with a ready formed conclusion, so will make any number of leaps to get to the answer they want, then get defensive when challenged on their bias. Tim Good saw the X Files gain popular attention and decided he'd have a much bigger audience if he added conspiracy into everything he wrote, and Leslie Kean is still flogging the Chile dead horse rather than simply admit she's mistaken.
Eric Mc said:
Had a read. No better than any other UFO nonsense.
OK if you've read up on the case and I don't just mean Wikipedia, what about these questions?What do you think the F16s were chasing then?
Have you listened to the F16 pilots talking about their attempted intercept?
What did the radars pick up?
What did over 3000 witnesses on the ground see?
What craft do you as an aviation buff know of that can go from 7000 feet to 100 feet in less than a second?
If you can't be arsed and just want to repeat it's all a load of b
ks that's cool.
Eric Mc said:
I don't see why any of this "newer" nonsense is any more verifiable than all the old nonsense that has gone before. If you want to convince me that it is genuine, I will place the onus on you to show me the evidence. As I said, those making the claims should be the ones providing the proof.
Take a look at this Eric. It's from 2004 but published on a website that would be of interest to you and perhaps have some credibility. It's not long so hopefully you will read it all along with the comments of the website visitors at the bottom. Try to not think of ET but whether these widely reported craft exist or not and if so what they might be.http://www.space.com/302-silent-running-black-tria...
supertouring said:
Thats twice now it has been suggested that he "cant be arsed".
I was just pre-empting what I thought he'd say 
supertouring said:
Very typical response from people who cannot show real evidence to support their claims.
Just show us the evidence.
Show you the evidence for what?Just show us the evidence.
Eric Mc said:
Still just a word of mouth report - which to me is indicative of precisely nothing.
Nowadays, with nearly everybody possessing mobile phones with video cameras, I would expect some decent resolution footage of one of these devices by now.
Rather unromantically, and to be honest quite sadly, I think both statistics and accountancy practices tend to work against UFO sightings being alien in nature. As Eric from Scotland points out, with the massive explosion of cameras you'd expect an exponential increase in the number of recorded images and video, but it just has not occurred . Same for ghosts sadly. Nowadays, with nearly everybody possessing mobile phones with video cameras, I would expect some decent resolution footage of one of these devices by now.
On the accountancy side, assuming an intelligent race, they would have accountants. No way would they allow a program to be paid for if they never actually made contact with the entire human race after all that effort, instead just subject an Argentinian farmer to having sex with a beautiful alien girl for scientific purposes. As if they could not just Google " Argentinian Farmer sex biology" ....
Having said all that, we might be under observation, probably without us being able to spot it. I can imagine a set of early warning inteldrones out beyond Neptune just listening.
And waiting.
Guam said:
Err Eric they do have Military channels you know they used to have separate desks from memory the last time I visited there.
So I would not imagine "snoopers" would have had the wherewithal to get on those channels (I stand to be corrected) however as you say only hearsay as I doubt any of those guys would come on here and confirm it.
Would tend to take their word for it however, the circs of the conversations would not tend to suggest they were making it up, especially as at the time I was doing a lot of Mil photog with USAFE and Nato and they asked me if I had heard of the call sign before!
It would suggest that it was pretty plausible (but not a UFO)
You can buy military scanners.So I would not imagine "snoopers" would have had the wherewithal to get on those channels (I stand to be corrected) however as you say only hearsay as I doubt any of those guys would come on here and confirm it.
Would tend to take their word for it however, the circs of the conversations would not tend to suggest they were making it up, especially as at the time I was doing a lot of Mil photog with USAFE and Nato and they asked me if I had heard of the call sign before!
It would suggest that it was pretty plausible
(but not a UFO) I would suspect that if it was communicating with civil air traffic control at West Drayton, even on a military frequency, then it would have been accessible to anybody listening in on that frequency.
The big mystery about Aurora is where did it go?
Was it ever operational?
Did it actually do whatever job it was tasked to do?
Has there been a successor?
Did it REALLY ever exist?
The big mystery about Aurora is where did it go?
Was it ever operational?
Did it actually do whatever job it was tasked to do?
Has there been a successor?
Did it REALLY ever exist?
How many years was the F117 operational before it was publicly disclosed?
How many years was the U2 operational before it was publicly disclosed?
How many years was the A-11/A-12/SR-71 family operational before public disclosure?
The answer in all those cases was not that many. Once the aircraft began to be used as they were intended to be used (instead of skulking around the skies of Nevada on test flights), their existence became known. Often the official public disclosure was made just prior to the the fact that they were going to be revealed unofficially.
The odd thing about Aurora is that it is now over two decades since it was first surmised and "spotted" but yet nothing concrete has ever emerged.
Was this because it was a failure at its task and was therefore withdrawn before going completely operational?
Or was it that it never existed in the first place?
How many years was the U2 operational before it was publicly disclosed?
How many years was the A-11/A-12/SR-71 family operational before public disclosure?
The answer in all those cases was not that many. Once the aircraft began to be used as they were intended to be used (instead of skulking around the skies of Nevada on test flights), their existence became known. Often the official public disclosure was made just prior to the the fact that they were going to be revealed unofficially.
The odd thing about Aurora is that it is now over two decades since it was first surmised and "spotted" but yet nothing concrete has ever emerged.
Was this because it was a failure at its task and was therefore withdrawn before going completely operational?
Or was it that it never existed in the first place?
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