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AshVX220

5,929 posts

191 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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p1stonhead said:
yes Probably worth a grind to work on something so incredible but stories abound of employees having to commit to pretty much only their jobs and not lasting very long. Proper tough stuff apparently. I read somewhere that Musk sleeps 4 hours a night - I wouldnt be surprised if he wanted his employees to follow his lead!
If he has such a high staff turnover he'll never get the stability that such a project requires and it'll never get off the ground.

smack

9,729 posts

192 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Interesting. I know someone who's friend(s) worked at NASA and moved to SpaceX, and don't have a good word to say. I had originally included that in my post, but deleted it, as it was hearsay and I didn't know if that was true.

Although people I know who work at Boeing, said it went downhill after the McDonnell Douglas merger, so her thoughts that the grass is greener might be false, but I guess it all depends on the team of people she will be working with.

Eric Mc

122,051 posts

266 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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NASA, being government, I bet is a lot less pressurised than SpaceX - (I'm not including the Apollo era when it was definitely pressurised).

p1stonhead

25,556 posts

168 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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smack said:
Interesting. I know someone who's friend(s) worked at NASA and moved to SpaceX, and don't have a good word to say. I had originally included that in my post, but deleted it, as it was hearsay and I didn't know if that was true.
I only got my info from the internet to be fair. Things like the below and such (not sure how I ended up in such a place - probably because I thought it would be really cool to work there!)

Its probably 50/50 good to bad reviews though to be honest;

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/2c2bq9/im...
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/25ixxq/is...
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Spacex/reviews?ftopic=w...

SpaceX's HR guy shot down these stories understandably;
https://www.geekwire.com/2016/spacex-bjelde-overwo...

Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 6th June 14:39

Caruso

7,437 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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I've just finished reading Elon Musks biography, and it sounds like working for him is pretty tough but similar to many Silicon Valley startups. The main difference being that you are saving the world or mankind and it's technically challenging work. Just be careful not to be right when Elon Musk is wrong about something.

Beati Dogu

8,896 posts

140 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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The next Falcon 9 launch is scheduled for Saturday, 17th June at 7.10 pm UK time.

It's from LC-39A in Florida and will be carrying the BulgariaSat-1 communications & TV satellite.

This rocket was previously flown back in January from Vandenberg AFB in California. It carried 10 Iridium NEXT satellites and then landed on the Pacific droneship.



The mission after this one follows on only 8 days later, albeit from Vandenberg. It'll carry the next batch of 10 Iridium NEXT satellites. Iridium have a $492 million contract with SpaceX to launch all 70 satellites. They'll all be from Vandenberg, which is better located for polar orbits.

Toaster

2,939 posts

194 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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smack said:
Interesting. I know someone who's friend(s) worked at NASA and moved to SpaceX, and don't have a good word to say. I had originally included that in my post, but deleted it, as it was hearsay and I didn't know if that was true.

Although people I know who work at Boeing, said it went downhill after the McDonnell Douglas merger, so her thoughts that the grass is greener might be false, but I guess it all depends on the team of people she will be working with.
Like a lot of organisations government or private there are good and bad management and it depends on how good in many cases you are at impression management.........and the other managers you are trying to impress.

Toaster

2,939 posts

194 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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Caruso said:
I've just finished reading Elon Musks biography, and it sounds like working for him is pretty tough but similar to many Silicon Valley startups. The main difference being that you are saving the world or mankind and it's technically challenging work. Just be careful not to be right when Elon Musk is wrong about something.
Elon won't be managing everyone...there will be departmental managers and as far as saving the world or mankind that is quite a subjective view, most of the technology being developed has been done by other companies its how it's being commercialised. Tesla for example is not the first electric vehicle nor is the idea of re-usable or controllable boosters, what Space X has done is commercialised the idea and built on others research.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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Just like everyone else. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

Making a successful mass produced EV car company isnt something anyone else has done. Nor has reusable commercial rockets been done.

Often its not the absolute technology that is important its the application of that - but sometimes its just the right time for things to happen. And now imo is the right time for cheap commercial spaceflight and EV cars, Elon is on the crest but he's not unique.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

199 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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he has habit of continually being on the crest though...

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
he has habit of continually being on the crest though...
Yep thats true, I dont think there is anyone quite like him at the moment. Combination of intelligence, vision, financial backing and ability to push through the ideas.

He's almost stuffed it several times but a combination of ability, luck and knowing when he's out of his depth seems to have worked.

MartG

20,689 posts

205 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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RobDickinson said:
And now imo is the right time for cheap commercial spaceflight and EV cars, Elon is on the crest but he's not unique.
ULA could have had reuseable boosters years ago, but until Elon came along with SpaceX they had no incentive to develop them - after all their customers seemed happy paying whatever they felt like charging, and only competition from SpaceX has forced them firstly to cut their prices and secondly to start developing reuseable boosters of their own.

Similarly with EVs - the growth of Tesla has forced the traditional car manufacturers to compete with them.

Classic cases of the incumbents getting complacent and failing to innovate, and an outsider spotting the market niche and going for it

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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Oh the incumbents were not going to change, but both would have happened without Elon, perhaps another 5-10 years or whatever.

Blue origin etc would be on it, there are many new space launch startups (one even in NZ).

MartG

20,689 posts

205 months

p1stonhead

25,556 posts

168 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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MartG said:
Has he also invented a way to pause time?

How the hell can he have time to write that whilst running Tesla and SpaceX?!

London424

12,829 posts

176 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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An article with some launch cost analysis.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/air-force-...

MartG

20,689 posts

205 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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London424 said:
An article with some launch cost analysis.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/air-force-...
Until SpaceX came along ULA could charge whatever they liked ( within reason ) - after all the US' ITAR regs would prevent many US satellites from being launched by anyone else e.g. Arianespace.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

99 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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Interesting read that, talk about wiping the floor with them...

MartG

20,689 posts

205 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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ULA could have developed reuseable boosters long before now, but had no incentive to do so while they were raking in $billions by charging inflated fees for a launch.

Along came SpaceX, and ULA are very slowly realising they are going to have to compete

Beati Dogu

8,896 posts

140 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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The next Falcon 9 completed its static test fire yesterday, so it's good to go.

The launch time is now expected to be on Monday. Not sure what time yet.
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